Brian: In this episode, it's a grabastic grab bag of grab baggery. We're going to talk about what we've been doing and what we're going to do. And we're going to watch Robin's brain decompose in real time. It's great.

Robin: Commence.

Brian: All right. Robin, do you have any announcements, corrections? Of course you don't.

Robin: No. I have no charisma. Not this round.

Brian: All right. I've been locked in.

Robin: I have a different episode I'm supposed to be producing that I can't even touch right now because I don't have time to touch it. It's you and me doing what we do.

Travis: He's been busy disassembling his house for relocation.

Robin: Yeah, we're going to head all the way to, we're going to be set up very close to Louisville, Kentucky by 45 minutes.

Brian: Nice.

Robin: So I'm going to go through the motions just to get prepped for that. I mean, honestly, you know the story that the truck has been completely revamped. And now the rig has been semi-revamped, a whole new suspension and an upgrade. and some cross members that kind of stop the frame from flexing so much. So these cross members that bolster the entire suspension setup. Apparently our leaf springs were on backwards. They were like, yeah, they couldn't fan out properly when taking a tight corner because they were on in the wrong direction. I did not install those. A professional there. So maybe we should not leave it to the professionals all the time. What exciting information could I provide you with?

Brian: Well, we'll get to the New Mexico trip. We'll get to that. But I've got some questions about that. So basically, you have spent all your money and then some. You have spent all your energy and then some. You have spent all your time and then some. All spearheading. You're at the pinnacle, the apex of this effort to get the hell out of New Mexico before it gets hot and get to Indiana. Just in time for it to get hot.

Robin: We'll get to that. Trust me.

Travis: And it's stormy. We've had rain the last two days.

Robin: Yeah. Today was a hit. A big hit.

Travis: But New Mexico rain, which is weird.

Robin: Sometimes it doesn't land.

Brian: It's almost evaporated before it hits you. Yeah.

Travis: And it's just hyper localized.

Brian: Yeah.

Robin: Although there's a story there. We'll get to it. That has to do with the tour.

Brian: Okay. Travis, how was your trip out to New Mexico? How were the logistics? Did you get there with your helmet? Did it all go well? Did it all go well? Did United teach you well?

Travis: So I had to wear my moto boots all the way, which kind of sucked because I had to cover the entirety of O'Hare Airport to make my connection. And then I was able to take all the armor out of my gear and then pack all of my gear in my carry-on with the armor neatly stacked inside of itself. And then use my helmet bag as my personal item. So that all worked out pretty good.

Robin: It's a hard shell purse.

Travis: I got a first-class upgrade for the Madison to O'Hare flight, which was about 23 minutes.

Robin: You will be comfortable for this long.

Brian: For 23 minutes, you were royalty. That's great.

Travis: We spent longer taxiing at O'Hare.

Brian: You can come in from San Francisco and spend longer on the ground taxiing at O'Hare than you did in the air. It is...

Travis: Yeah.

Brian: And then they're doing construction. Oh, we've got a detour. Roll, roll, roll, roll.

Travis: Yeah, so other than that, the flight was good. The long stretch to Albuquerque was uneventful. A little bit of turbulence, but not much. Not much to look at it. Whatever, 12,000 feet either. Just the tops of the clouds.

Brian: So is this your first time in New Mexico?

Travis: For any reasonable amount of time, yeah. I think my band played here back in college. but that was like here's the van and here's a gas station and here's some dark bar and then you're here's the interstate.

Robin: You played you're gone

Travis: Yeah there's a meme somewhere on the internet that's like you're in a band that you must see so much cool stuff it's just dirty gas station toilet dirty van dirty gas station toilet the barren highway.

Brian: Dirty bar dirty toilet dirty van dirty people. Yeah, Spinal Tap was a documentary. I'd like everybody to know that.

Robin: We just finished Spinal Tap 2 this round while he was here.

Brian: Oh, really?

Robin: We watched it. It was really good. And my favorite line of the whole movie is delete my browsing history.

Brian: Travis, I'm going to put you on the spot. Now, Robin has been coming up with, and he's off the hook this time, if you can fill in, what is the random song of the minute that you would like to recommend? What should people Google up on the YouTubes of you to find?

Travis: Probably something off of Playboy Man Baby's most recent album, Violence.

Brian: Playboy Man Baby, and the album is Violence.

Travis: Yeah.

Brian: All right, I heard that correctly.

Travis: I'm worried if I touch my phone, the Zoom will drop again.

Brian: Do not touch your phone.

Travis: I mean, I'm an album guy. I always just put albums on. Like when I'm writing, I just like this album, that album, this album, that album. And I like those guys. They're from Arizona. They're cool punk rock.

Robin: Any particular song?

Travis: I was trying to remember the first song on that list.

Robin: The first song, Playboy Man Babies. Playboy Man Babies, Violins, First Trip.

Travis: They were great. I saw them. Mack Sabbath was playing in Madison. Do you know Mack Sabbath?

Brian: No.

Robin: Do you think we know Mack Sabbath?

Brian: Do I look cool enough to know any of this?

Travis: You look like you might know Max Sabbath, because what Max Sabbath is, is they are a fast food parody heavy metal band.

Robin: You asked this, Brian. You wanted this information. You're getting it.

Brian: I wanted this information.

Travis: So all of the members of the band are heavy metal puns on fast food chain mascots. The main guy is Ronald McOsborne. And this is a different band. This is a different band.

Brian: Right?

Robin: Hold on, Brian. He's not done.

Travis: Grimace Cooper.

Brian: I did this.

Robin: Yes, you did.

Travis: Et cetera, et cetera. And then the opening bands were Cybertronic Spree. They wear like robot costumes. They're from Canada. And then the opening, the first opening band was this band called Playboy Man Baby that I'd never heard of. They were the most punk rock thing of the night. They were kind of the highlight for me.

Brian: The first song on the album is quite appropriate. And the name of the first song on the album is Shit Show.

Travis: That's right. An honorable mention is their song, Horses, off of the album Debbie from Zumba.

Brian: See, now it's in my search history. Playboy Man, baby.

Travis: They're not a band. They're a corporation.

Robin: They're a cult. You might join.

Brian: Yeah, they're filling in for gore, I guess, huh?

Robin: Well, how are you, man? I haven't seen you in forever.

Brian: Yeah, the Brown County thing is next week. And Robin is going to be there if he likes it or not. It's going to be great. I'm sure he will. You know, I've been organizing this for since, I think, 2008. So it's 18 years I've been disorganizing this thing. And every year I do less and I do less and I do less and it gets better and better. So there's a secret there of some sort. I'm not sure what it is.

Robin: You are the reason that we are the writers that we are having. You don't sell yourself short. This particular rally alone is a testament to how many people in this room became who they are.

Travis: The machine is running itself now, Ryan.

Brian: You did it. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's great. The only thing I really have to do is deal with the rooming list, and it's kind of like a human Tetris getting a bed for everybody. They're in, they're out, they're in, they're out, they're out, they're in again. It's going to be great, though. And I'm really, I'm working on clearing the decks so I can go have a scouting ride on Friday because Indiana DOT likes to close roads at random, and everybody's like, hey, how should we get around this? I don't know.

Travis: Don, that one that's filled with sand.

Brian: Yeah make sure you yeah make sure you take the sandy one So the dilemma I am facing is I probably should ride the old Suzuki because it's an old Suzuki rally. But like I don't like I 99% trust it. There's a few odds and ends of work seals kind of kind of looking a little moist, that kind of thing. And or just take the just take the Yamaha and don't worry about it. What's your advice? You guys don't care, do you?

Travis: You should load up the trailer, bring both. Someone will fix their Suzuki while they're there.

Robin: Or load at the trailer, bring both and make the point that you don't have to prove yourself, but you can explain to those young whippersnappers who have just gotten such a thing, what they need to do to improve their situation.

Brian: So I need to somehow get two bikes on a one bike trailer.

Robin: Or bring the big one. So I'm scared of that one.

Brian: That sounds, that sounds like a lot of work. I'll just, uh, I'll probably just ride the Yamaha.

Robin: We're going right. Yeah. Bring the Yamaha.

Brian: I want to bring the fast one because I think Robin and I have some hatred to work out on the roads down there. So we'll get that to, yeah, there's nothing to prove here. Everybody's seen that blue bike over and over and over and over again. I'll bring the red one. It'll be cool. Got a question from the wild for the question from the week. And I saw this and I loved it because it was such a dumb question, but it's also a fun one too. So I'm calling from RG. I don't know where he's from. You know, RG is a rich guy. So I've got a new bike question. Should I get a Ducati Panagale V4S or a BMW S1000RR?

Robin: Are they wrenching on it?

Brian: Well, what do you think? He's buying a brand new bike and he's buying a European bike. He's looking at the BMW top dog and the Ducati top dog-ish.

Travis: Well, Robin, you know, some people can afford to buy a BMW, but they can't afford to own a BMW.

Robin: Shout out to Neil Sullivan.

Travis: And then he traded his V-Rain for a Kawasaki.

Robin: Yeah. Which he can't ride anybody on. I'm going to

Travis: Fill this out there just because it came up on the Canyon Chasers podcast I was listening to today. Yeah. He should get the new Norton.

Brian: Just take a left turn, basically. New Norton. There you go.

Travis: It's presumably a better road bike.

Robin: I'm looking it up on my phone.

Travis: I don't know if it's the Commando or the Manx. They're reusing one of the old names, but it's a thoroughly modern, top shelf, high-end sack.

Robin: Are they building as a 26 or as a current 26?

Travis: Sport bike. Just do Norton. New Norton motorcycle. It's the only one.

Brian: New Norton. The Manx.

Travis: Apparently, it's gorgeous in person. It looks just like a sport bike in photos. The little details are supposed to be immaculate on it. It's up there. It's like the 20-something-something thousand-dollar range.

Robin: No, we talked about this in passing in a previous episode. It is a beautiful machine, closer to the VFR profile in terms of ergos.

Travis: Yeah, they definitely built a road sport bike. It doesn't have winglets. It's not world super bike homologation.

Robin: But it is super bike posture.

Travis: And what I've read on the reviews, it rides like that. It's still very focused and it's very fast, but it's not actively trying to kill you. So maybe I think you should do that, Mr. Rich Guy. Get the newest and the best.

Robin: Yeah, get obscure and be able to pay for the problem.

Brian: You're going to do that. That's a great answer. And if it's down to these two, then the answer is both. That's just ridiculous.

Robin: But for the money, yeah. If this is a midlife crisis and the dude is like, I got to do something nice for myself, but I'll be paying off until I'm dead. I would say get the M1000RR only because I feel more familiar with BMW than anybody has ever felt familiar with Ducati, including their own designers.

Brian: Oh, I see.

Travis: I'd buy a Miata and a race prep Gixxer 600 and a whole pack of track days.

Brian: Yeah, upgrade your software, basically. And my answer is it basically comes down to which one makes your naughty places tickle. Neither one of these makes a damn bit of sense. They're both ridiculous. They're all ridiculous. Every motorcycle is ridiculous, basically. So buy the one that makes you go, ooh.

Robin: Great response.

Brian: And if you want to get logical about it, I will say the California Superbike School has a fleet of BMWs. When we talked to Dylan, however many episodes ago that was, he basically says, yeah, they really haven't had any trouble with them. The students do well on them and so forth. So, see, that would be a point in the Ducati's favor because there's more of those BMWs out there that have been making them a while. You know, they change a little bit every year, but you'll see essentially the same bike for the last 10 plus years. Tough problem to have.

Travis: Well, it's like, do you want something that's going to be reliable and practical? You want something that's a little newer and jazzier.

Robin: I want something that is red.

Travis: Or you just get the, then if you get the Norton, then you stand up.

Robin: Yeah, nobody's going to know what the fuck they're looking at.

Brian: Oh, I see you have a ninja.

Robin: Yeah, we heard somebody pull up next to us in the Winston General Store. I saw the Country Bumpkin looking at some kind of crotch rocket. And one of them, they're old vintage cafe racers. It's a Gixader and an SV650 that is apparently a crotch rocket and a cafe racer, according to people that

Travis: Have horse trailers.

Robin: They have horse trailers.

Brian: They're all crotch rockets.

Travis: The two dirt bikers, I guess we'll get to that, though. He thought the SV was a monster.

Robin: A Ducati. Well, no, different people. And it looks kind of like a Ducati monster.

Brian: That's fair enough. Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of the whole point. Yeah, that's kind of fair enough.

Robin: Show us frame, red.

Brian: One of the things I'll close is the BMW is, the base price is around $21,000 and the Ducati is around $28,000. You know, these are really high-end bikes. It's crazy to me that that's about the price of a Corolla. Motorcycles are such a bargain. Everybody should do their financially responsible thing and buy more motorcycles.

Travis: You want to go fast.

Robin: For Jesus.

Travis: Smiles per dollar.

Brian: Want to go warp Jesus. Segment one. My choice, damn it.

Robin: Here we go.

Brian: You guys are both sitting in New Mexico, in Elephant Butte, actually, I believe. Not Truth or Consequences. You know, they're like the Twin Cities of Minneapolis-St. Paul. They're right next to each other, except tiny. They do have a Walmart in Truth or Consequences, so, you know, that's something.

Travis: And a Del Taco.

Robin: And now a Loves.

Brian: They have a Loves? Oh, my God.

Robin: They just opened.

Brian: The neighborhood's going downhill. Travis has never ridden in New Mexico before. Robin lives there half of every year, at least. Travis flies out. He hops on Maggie's bike. Robin hops on Robin's bike. Some other guy hops on his bike. They go riding. How was it? What happened? Was it really cool? We rode a lot, and it was great.

Travis: I rode motorcycle, motorcycle fun.

Brian: You guys look totally fried. So this is, it obviously was a good trip.

Travis: Got in Saturday. My flight was actually like half an hour early getting in. So, you know, I went to the bar at 11 in the morning because that's what you do at the airport. Wouldn't you 40 minutes to kill?

Robin: Yeah.

Brian: So is the Albuquerque airport done?

Travis: I didn't see any construction.

Robin: Oh, it was done-ish at this point. It's a very simple airport.

Travis: Yeah, it reminded me of the Madison Airport.

Brian: Last few times I've been through there, it's like, no, no, no, no. You have to walk where you want to go. You can see it from here, but no, you have to walk the other direction around the planet.

Robin: Nothing like that this round. It seems to be spruced up to that effect.

Travis: It is a symphony in taupe.

Brian: Yes. Maybe some taupe, maybe a little ecru, beige, perhaps.

Travis: And they have $17 bars of soap at one of the stores. But it's got a hokey southwestern flair. so we did that rode back up tier two tier seed we went for like a little you took me on your little like lunch break route.

Robin: Yeah we did the back nine behind the butte here that goes along it but it's less access and more curve nice yeah you know it so

Travis: That was like a little taste of the terrain and then sunday we did to the end of 59 through.

Robin: Windstone yeah it was a beautiful day for it you know how brian like brian's done that but the weather is really a deciding factor on whether or not you're doing it. The weather was perfect. So we rode to Winston, eight feet jerky. We made it all the way to the end of 59. We stood at the end of 59. If you accumulate all the silence, probably spent about 10 to 15 minutes in silence just listening to the the nothing

Travis: And just the wind through the trees it was very.

Robin: Spiritual what were your words you wanted to melt into the

Travis: Ground i was gonna say if i could just melt into the ground right there just become a tree and live here for the next hundred years that'd be fine it.

Robin: Was not snowy i've been here eight

Travis: Months it was nice there though we're up a little bit it was nice and cool and breezy it was.

Robin: But it was it's still hot.

Brian: Was it as filthy as usual? I mean, that's just part of the deal, I think, right?

Travis: It wasn't too bad, that stretch.

Robin: So that was sort of an intro to confidence. I had not ridden in a couple of weeks. I had been busy. And so now I'm riding what I consider to be an incredibly treacherous road where pavement is concerned. And so there was a lot of like, look, man, if you want me to speed up, if you want to go around me. And the response was always, no, dude, This is pretty much exactly the speed I feel I would like to go right now.

Travis: Technically, that's the second recreational ride I've taken this year outside of a track day.

Robin: And you know that we still looked like maniacs to anyone.

Brian: Yeah, to normal people. Yeah, that's true.

Travis: And I'm on a bike I've never ridden. And this is set up the way I would set it up.

Robin: I forgot to light the Molotov cocktail rag that was in your gas tank before we started. Oops, I guess we're mellow. Like, no, we're pretty much just burning down the house. It was a good day. The roads were great, though. That's the funny thing, too, is you can go along a road where you've had a spook, and if its conditions are better than you're anticipating, or you have history with that road that has notions of a less than positive moment, you're going to treat it like that no matter what. In this case, all that gravel that you're used to seeing, the pea gravel, it's The red clay that's usually shelled across the road was not there. It was completely clean.

Travis: The surface conditions were really good on that stretch.

Brian: Nice.

Travis: We stopped at the Winston General Store, and there was two people, some dual sports.

Robin: Tim and Mariah. Jim and Mariah?

Travis: Tim.

Robin: Tim and Mariah.

Travis: Tim and Mariah, yeah, were on their dual sports, and they were just sitting on the bench in the shade and chilling before they got back out on the trail.

Robin: Mariah looks like she's 100 pounds.

Travis: She was killing on a WI-R. Kicking ass. Yeah, we're talking to them and he's like, oh, he repairs wind turbines for a living. So he's like, I work like six months out of the year. And then the other six months, I need to come here and do this.

Brian: Okay. I need to learn how to do that. That's a nice lifestyle.

Travis: Yeah. If you don't mind hanging in like stirrup down 300 feet off the.

Robin: Professional super wedgie.

Travis: Yeah. And then the next day we did the road that shall not be named. Good man. And the devil's highway. Good man.

Robin: And Brian, I warned him, and he'd be, yes, sir.

Travis: It's the Voldemort Pass. Fear of the name only increases its strength. with will your buddy will i mean i wasn't maybe prepared for the long the lull stretches of desert and the heat especially this time of year i suppose.

Robin: You have to be able to appreciate the scenery for a long duration 45 minutes at a time

Brian: And then when it's on holy crap it is on it's like sudden

Travis: Yeah so we got to the the road that shall not be named and it was just like, you know we used the phrase you know how would you like to eat ice cream all day i'm kind of full no you're eating more ice cream.

Robin: Shut up take eat it

Travis: My tummy hurts i don't care you're eating more ice cream yeah it's i the thought occurred to me too it's like imagine like the tail of the dragon but it's like 50 miles long and also you go up like an extra 2 000 feet and down an extra 2 000 feet.

Robin: People have gotten altitude sickness doing this tour we've

Travis: Watched yeah i was kind of i was surprising did not catch the altitude sickness, yeah it was just you know gorgeous service conditions actually were pretty good on the road that shall not be named most of the trip my struggle was just with, the bike that's not my bike that's not necessarily set up for me.

Robin: A bandmate of mine back in the day this is obscure and this is out there but my favorite line that a guitarist friend of mine used was yeah people try to you Anyway, you can just use my guitar. Get up on stage and use my guitar. He's like, you know, the problem is, Playing music with somebody else's instrument, it's like trying to fuck with somebody else's dick. It doesn't work.

Brian: I see the point. I see the point, yeah.

Travis: But that was great. And then we did The Devil's Highway, which it took me maybe the first third.

Brian: There was some reverb on that, too. Highway, highway, highway.

Travis: To get by.

Brian: The Devil's Highway.

Travis: That road's been closed for 40 years. and it took me maybe a third of it to get my sight in, for the surface conditions which change often and you need to be able to kind of read the pavement like tea leaves so sometimes it's black and sometimes it's, like red pink and sometimes it's like, slate green and depending on like what section you're in and then you can kind of, Oh, if it's like this, if it's this color, and then it's also like this, then that's loose and this is grippy. I almost lost it in one corner. You're welcome. I saved it by high skills.

Robin: He chimes in, you're welcome. I did not ride over the cliff.

Travis: I did not let your bike low slide over the cliff. I lost the rear and recovered in a stretch where there's this pavement and it's dark black. you can't tell if it's just like rough pavement like it's it's gravel that's adhered to the ground or it is just loose gravel.

Brian: Yeah that's that's typical

Travis: That section was just loose gravel of course right mid-corner right in the line, and then there was a couple of sections near the ad where it's the pink gravel with the pink asphalt.

Robin: Tell about the rose that is it's super grippy yeah that's what i trust most

Travis: Yeah but budget section is like in the middle like in like lane position two, it's black where the pavement has worn off somehow and it's like the.

Robin: Underlayment and that's the portion that i trust least

Travis: And the underlayment is like it's just.

Robin: Glass yeah i'm not trying to i'm not trying to steal your mic here yeah

Travis: So that being who he is is like i'm gonna ride in that.

Robin: Part that's the only part i wrote in if i saw i mean i know the hazards well enough that like i was trying to get my confidence up travis followed me kissing tires through the first seven corners i buckled and failed the first seven corners entirely and travis has only been there never and is like right there like what what's going on man

Brian: Thought we're gonna ride today come on

Robin: I took two sticks of dynamite put one in each ear lit the fuses and went. I was like, screw it all. I aimed for every hazardous Most of the riding I did was in the non-reliable terrain. Ride the peak gravel, ride the tar snakes, ride in the giant tar snake that is threatening everybody.

Brian: I remember doing that as well.

Robin: Yeah. It's the intro to your season from hell that you sign up for and do with a smile on your face.

Brian: Yeah.

Robin: Ride the fucking lightning.

Brian: It's a blast.

Travis: When you know what it's like to do it on a bike you're not familiar with, it isn't necessarily maybe set up the way you would have it for your weight. And so I think... Yeah.

Robin: We tried. We did try.

Brian: It's set up for a lady half your weight. Yeah, that's a...

Robin: You'll do it again.

Travis: Well, but it's, you know, you can put preload in the rear shotgun. That's it.

Robin: Yeah, we're going to get some gold valves and maybe a fork brace, but...

Travis: So then we landed in Alpine and went to one of the only restaurant that was open.

Brian: There's a bar.

Travis: There is a restaurant that, or like a different bar restaurant, but it's not open on Mondays.

Robin: There's one restaurant open every day at a different address.

Travis: And they also name.

Robin: So we made work of it But it was a thing. I will say the days we chose, I may have to do this from now on.

Travis: We collectively, as a collective, I guess, or something, to not throw anyone on the bus, decided to walk to the bar restaurant.

Brian: Yeah.

Travis: Which is like a mile, maybe a little less.

Robin: Not for all.

Travis: I thought it was fine. He thought it was fine. Except it was, I think I did note it, but not wholeheartedly, that from where we were staying at the Aspen Lodge.

Robin: Yeah, we were at the Aspen Lodge. Beautiful place. Shout out to the Aspen Lodge.

Travis: And you walk down this dirt road to the highway, and then you kind of just do a little zigzag, and then you're on the only road in the town, and then there's everything. But it was, like, kind of downhill. And so we went, and we had our dinner, and it was fine.

Robin: Then we drank.

Travis: Then we drank, yeah.

Robin: Also, I upset Travis.

Travis: And then, well, he kicked my broken foot.

Robin: He has a broken toe. I mistook which foot. And I tried to bust the old prank where you kick a person's shoe, and it makes their foot kick up high in the air, and then they keep walking. And so I kicked him in the toe. And I don't think that's what did it so much as the knifing. But beyond that.

Travis: On the way back, we're walking up the hill and everyone is just.

Robin: Yeah.

Travis: It's like, oh, that's right. We're at 8,000 feet now.

Robin: Yeah. It was five Darth Vader's. Just.

Brian: It's a little higher up than it seems.

Robin: Well, that's the trick. That's what got me. The arrangements we made involve Ride Devil's Highway. Send the scout out to go get the food and bring it back to the Aspen Lodge. chill at the Aspen Lodge and socialize enjoy the fire, have a personal moment and then somebody said, I want to go out on the town and I said,

Travis: Fuck I didn't mind the walk so much after being on the bike all day and then the next morning we came down, what's that highway 150? 180 which comes around the other side of the pass on the Devil's Highway yeah.

Brian: It's a very different experience

Travis: It was like nice pavement and not as hectic but very fun still.

Robin: Just generally smooth and plenty to be enjoyed but a lot more just like look you get to do some twists and turns but enjoy the neighborhood enjoy the mountains those are your buildings so we rode the cliff dwellings ride which is the one where brian had an africa twin when he did it and at the end of it he was like sweating more than i've ever seen it was like it was like he went to the gym

Brian: He was like this is work

Travis: It's a lot of steep it's a lot of downhill hairpins and then we got to Cliff Dwellings and it was starting to rain, and then we were like kind of parked and walked up to the park building there and then it just lightning cracked and the sky opened up, And the park ranger's like, yeah, it's been doing this all morning. It'll die down in about 30 minutes.

Robin: They were either getting rain all the time or getting none, and everybody else was getting it. So we were there for their moment and waited for the perfect pocket, switched over to weak mode on the bike and just sort of whooped ass up the hill. And then turned down.

Travis: It usually got up a couple hundred feet. Yeah, the rain stopped, and it's like hyper-localized.

Robin: Pics to come. He's got all the photos. I made him take all the pics.

Travis: Yeah, the park ranger was saying he could see it building. like between or behind the mountain and it would build, then it would come over and dump and then we build and it would come over and dump.

Brian: And yeah, it's kind of a consistent pattern. I don't recall seeing any damn cliff dwellings at all up there.

Travis: You have to hike.

Brian: It's a mile hike.

Travis: It's a mile loop with a lot of elevation change.

Robin: Yeah.

Travis: And when we walked up, the guy said, are you going to hike the cliff dwellings? I'm like, not in these boots. Cause I was wearing, I'm wearing like my sporty, track date boots because they're ventilated.

Robin: I want to interject here because 35 is what we picked up next and i always forget just how good 35 is after 15 15 is the way to cliff dwellings that's cliff dwellings

Travis: Park road oh yeah little connection road that's.

Robin: But 35 we took a left and it's just different it's always different now that's where we passed the school

Travis: Yeah right so we ended that we were.

Robin: Like having a good time stopped on the side of the road i burned my hand because we need to do just the suspension just Yeah,

Travis: There was a couple of spots where it just did these undulations.

Robin: Oh, that's where the dips are.

Travis: And I'm just like, ah, my butt. And I was like, I think we need to take a couple. We put like three or four clicks of preload in the rear. I'm like, I think we need to take a couple out.

Robin: And yeah, school's out for the summer, but we went to the school zone. The guy was like, oh, like, dude.

Travis: I didn't know there was a school zone. I was looking for my phone.

Robin: Did you show up to work? You ain't got a paycheck. Made it to Baird. Got fuel. And then.

Travis: The road that shall not be named, Robin.

Robin: Then it was over. I was just done with the lack of confidence. And I pulled the freaking emotion chip and just went.

Travis: Yeah, he was taking off, and I was still struggling to feel confident on that bike. Well, it's just like, yeah, I have a list of the things I would do if it was my bike that would make it much better for me.

Robin: This guy right here that we're talking to will probably help me do them.

Travis: But gold valves, lower bars, forks, forks, for me too.

Robin: This is just, I mean, we're just improving it for Maggie. It's her bike.

Travis: I did fix the clutch switch today.

Robin: We got back. It won't let you squeeze the clutch in and start while you're in gear. And by fiddling with the aftermarket levers, we got that fixed. But that's the whole trip right there.

Brian: And the New Mexico trip, yeah, if people haven't done it, if you're running an official tour, it's really worth signing up for. But good Lord, you know, New Mexico, it's out in the middle of nowhere and everything. But the mountain roads are just amazing. It's really a unique place.

Travis: Even the boring transit sections, it's like you're down in this valley and there are just mountains and hills. and, This is gorgeous, yeah.

Brian: Yeah, it's like, oh, we're not in Indiana anymore or Wisconsin or whatever. Yeah, it's just an otherworldly place. You know, you're on Mars or whatever. But I thought it was really interesting. The week before, and you kind of hinted at this, Robin, where you were kind of, you had some really interesting things to say. You were really thinking some heavy thoughts about all this responsibility and possibility were really hanging over your head. Like, you know, what if this doesn't go well? What if it does? you know all those jitters you get i don't know if it's just pre-ride jitters or something like that or if you were feeling the weight of something there really interesting stuff and i i've often felt the same thing you know before the brown county rally it's like a man i hope everybody comes and goes safely i hope there's no problems i hope we you're not responsible for riding other people's bikes but somehow you feel a sense of i don't know if it's responsibility but you feel you know if something does happen you feel guilt and it's like how do you think about that and then when i heard from you after when you guys got back you're really up you know and everything was really great what were you thinking beforehand how did you feel how did that change

Robin: Our listeners out there if you place your hands together and thread your fingers against one another if you look on your right hand and you see five high thought process tasks and you look at your left hand and holy shit you've got subconscious things that you need to make note of you need to keep track of that are also high process and then they blend together on the schedule so you need to be in tune focused and 100 for all of these things you're juggling just one of those things is one of your closest friends. I'm here with both of you right now. Travis is confident. He's competent. I know what he's capable of. I know what he's made mistakes. I've seen that. I'm talking about a badass rider here. So let's start on a high shelf and just remind everybody that he's human. When he did a U-turn on his Honda, dumped it, and then was like, ta-da! You know, he's a human being. He's a human being. Well, what if that human being is making the right decision and he's slicing and dicing the corners laser-focused the way I do the way we do and the elk gets him I mean he's a father of two beautiful boys with a lovely wife I'm Just trying to keep everybody on the right track. This guy's flying in. Put yourself in my shoes. I have somebody I've been egging on to come down here and check this stuff out with me showing up. Finally, I'm getting the energy about that. But I also have work to do. And then the day that we're going to take our first ride, when we did the out and back to 59, I've got the people who are situating our rolling house that is our only home, the wheels underneath it to go down the road and get us to our next destination where we have family members who are not doing so good they've got their keys to the hearse and they're allowed to get into it whenever they want and we've got to be there for them right so i'm wearing all the you know this massive crown of gravity but i've got a buddy come down here that i don't want to give him the same keys It's complicated and the schedule blends to where i'm like okay if i do it exactly. I'm helping no one. It becomes a false joy. It becomes over-engineered. And the people who are doing their work are on our rig. They're just getting too much of my input. But if I keep loose and let them tell me, do you need me to be here for this? And then they say, no, cool. I'm going to be back in three and a half hours. I'm taking this guy on a ride. We're going to go out and do the out and back. These are the things that are in my path of travel. And he hasn't even arrived yet and I have to imagine if anything happened and I had to explain the details of it to a strong woman that will be less than forgiving if she decides it has anything to do with my name I have to remember that I haven't really been on the bike in a couple of weeks And then I'm a hooligan. There's all these things I have to make sure that I can personally govern, not for him, but inside of myself in a way that whatever the outward projection as a result of that is, it's beneficial to the people around me without being over the top overbearing. Too much information. The trick is this. Is the bandwidth able to express the plan or is it overly compressed to where it's just a wall of sound? that is hard to govern when you're getting ready for something like this

Brian: Well that's true yeah you had you know like when i was there it was april and you were just sort of you didn't have a lot of other things building up

Robin: I have a brian ringer here when when you're here i'm like i have a brian i'm not worried i'm like i have a guy that he's gonna lead me

Brian: That's true yeah you had a lot of stuff building up that had nothing to do with writing you know there's a lesson there and how it takes away from your bandwidth to pay attention to the riding. But the flip side of that is you sounded restored. You guys got back. You needed to go do that. It was in spite of it all, in spite of the wheels falling off of your home, in spite of the truck needing to lift up the gas gap and put a new truck under it, in spite of all that shit, you needed to go do that. And it restored you. and I could hear that instantly. First voicemail I got, I was like, oh,

Robin: Robin's good the season is officially begun if you're listening out there and you've got a domino series of events that are all complicated this that was just a second because now we're packing up and making our trip forward so it hasn't ended yet then i gotta drive to louisville and get set up with this rig that i hope i'm gonna take

Travis: A new wheels stay on yeah i'm just like i'm on vacation motorcycle go vroom.

Brian: Simple for you okay

Travis: Yeah robin was like running around trying to remember how to pack things from eight months ago yeah and all that and i'm literally on the air mattress under the shade out in front of the rig headphones in half asleep just.

Robin: Let's round table this we're all anchors of this show and it's just this conversation piece in an experiment you know these feelings. When you start juggling a rally and when things go wrong, are you able to play your perspective like a piano to remind yourself these are human beings, they are not puppets that you're supposed to steer?

Brian: Yeah. And again, with the Brown County thing, with other rides I've led and planned and unplanned and things like that, yeah, the less you do, the more you force everybody to be an independent human being with opposable thumbs doing whatever they're going to do. the less you plan for them the less you put together the better there's work stuff there's all kinds of stuff building up and it's like okay i gotta be away from this oh my god you know my am i shirking my responsibilities and it's kind of like no i gotta go do this this is what restores me this is what motivates me next thursday next friday i'm gonna be gone i'm not going you know i'm going to be doing what i need to do for me and it's gonna be freaking awesome

Travis: The company will still be there when you get back yeah.

Robin: Doors will still unlock when you get to the office.

Brian: Plus, you know, they got Wi-Fi about everywhere, so just bring a computer and handle crap in the evenings if you have to.

Robin: I got a thing.

Brian: It laid on me.

Robin: You know the corner. You're blazing into it super hot, and you're ready to take it, but you're not always sure what may have changed between one day to the next. You have a stockpile of responsibilities, promises that were made, things that have to happen no matter what, minute windows of opportunity to fit some peppered moments of holy shit badass in there too, it doesn't quite make sense in terms of coordination. But nothing changes the fact that whether you like it or not, something is expected of you in terms of your time and your availability to try to make these things work around one another, right? A lot of that weight is similar to when you're hammering into that corner that you know well enough, maybe you don't see it every day, but you're not sure whether or not anything's changed. You're going because you have an end result that you need to accomplish and how you paint the line through that effort. I think that's a big thing to what you're talking about. If we're trying to make an analogy of it, to try to juggle every task that needs to happen and to make sure that we move forward in the direction we need. And this one opportunity right now that this person is going to freaking hook up and get on an airplane, fly down, get a bike, we're going to do this thing. You've got to blend those two things. Tell me that isn't similar to trail braking to a delayed apex at speed faster than the speed limit allows.

Brian: A lot of these things, not to push analogies too far, but in a lot of life and a lot of writing, you have to trust that you have done the homework and you have the skills and they will be there when you arrive. You cannot plan every inch of every corner. I'm going to figure it out when I get there. And same applies in a lot of other stuff you do in work and life and so forth. You figure it out when you get there, you trust in your skills. Brett DeCax, he's an instructor and a tour guide, does all these things. really badass off-road dual sport rider hat magician runs all these things yeah hat magician no one's ever seen the top of his head he had a he had a short video the other day it just came out and it was it's something i've learned in off-road riding too is that you have to because i took a class and the instructor was always telling us commit commit you have to commit you have to commit and when you're doing things off-road you're often doing very very sketchy things and you're also doing that you're all you're often doing things that have a frankly a low possibility of success But whatever you're doing you have to commit a hundred percent or you will hurt yourself for example you're crossing a gap if you're climbing a hill if you're doing this weird maneuver where you one wheels on one side the other wheels on the other side of a log that kind of thing all these things all these things they teach you you have to commit to it 100 you're You're still aware on off-road riding that there's a 10% chance I'm going to make this work, but you have to go into it and you have to commit 100% and you have to trust in the skills you've built when you get there. Because you can't plan everything. You know, we're going up a hill full of baby heads. You can't plan every inch of that. You know, that's a mindset that serves you well. It also applies in all kinds of riding, in all kinds of life.

Travis: I was listening to, I think it was the Canyon Chasers podcast, and they were talking about how you have your brain stem, like your lizard brain that like makes your heart beat and makes it breathe and stuff like that. And then there's your limbic system, which is your like sort of emotional response system, your initial, like, I'm scared, fight or fight, someone cuts you off and you're like, ah, I'm angry now. And then you have your cortex, which is what makes us humans, is that we have this highly developed cortex where we can plan out weeks, months, years, rationalize and do all that sort of stuff. And they got to a funny thing where they were talking about on a racetrack, a lot of the reactions you need to make are too fast for your cortex. Your cortex can do this high-level thinking, but it's not fast. And so you kind of have to train your limbic system to react in the constructive way in those situations. And that's sort of what we do with our continued motorcycle education and doing these backroad rides where sometimes it doesn't go quite right and you kind of recover. And the more times you do that, the more you sort of prepped your brain to react appropriately to that.

Robin: Your cortex is capable of processing the last lap and your lizard brain is capable of ensuring that you may get through the next quarter.

Brian: Yeah, that's real important.

Travis: And also that's kind of why we do this, right? We're talking about all these, stresses and all the things you need to balance. But when you're out there and you're in the corner, that's all you're thinking about.

Brian: Yeah, it puts the other stuff off to the side for a while, puts it in perspective. That's why it's fun. Yes.

Robin: Yes.

Brian: Twist grip motorcycle go broom so travis you went to a hell of a lot of trouble to get there is new mexico worth it should everybody do the truth or consequences tour

Travis: Yeah great riding you know it's less of a commitment than seventh it's only three days.

Robin: Equally expensive though because you have to do all kinds of shit to make it work

Brian: Yeah getting getting to new mexico unless you're already there and there's not a lot of people there

Travis: Getting getting a bike here or getting in a bike when you're here. But you don't have to worry about rain so much because when it does rain, you're just like, oh, thank God.

Robin: Mm-hmm.

Travis: Yeah. It's like, we're going to be in this for 10, 15 minutes and then we're going to be bone dry in 15 minutes after we're out of it.

Robin: And we were. He's totally right. But the fact of the matter is he's here in the hottest, I've never been here this long.

Travis: This late in the season.

Robin: Yeah, I'm used to running this in April and then take it off May 15th. Thank you both. Good to hear that it's worth doing. I invite people of a particular caliber of riding skill.

Travis: Yeah, it is not.

Robin: Not for everyone.

Travis: For beginners.

Robin: It's for those who are overly dedicated with less to prove than skill.

Travis: There are literally no guardrails.

Robin: Yeah.

Brian: Not to get too far into marketing as a tour. it's not something you don't have to be fast or anything you just have to be really on it you have to really be on your game whatever that game is be on it

Robin: The name of the game is consistency

Brian: Be consistent be alert be aware

Travis: You don't have to attack every corner you can reasonably ride through it and, you won't actually be that far behind us because you can only take a tight mountain hairpin turn so fast yeah so if you take it five miles an hour slower you're not Yeah.

Brian: You're not going to hurt anything there. By the way, did you guys see any elk up near, up on the Devil's Highway, way, way?

Robin: No, no, no, no, no. However, Maggie and our friend's girlfriend, Maggie Dean of TRO Stardom, they both showed up in Alpine by way of the expressway back roads, I guess I should call it.

Travis: The more travel state highways. Direct road. In a Miaca.

Robin: Yeah, they had a biata and a good time. but they saw tons of elk the most I saw was I saw mule deer

Brian: Give him the big finger for me

Travis: That's what they Robin spooked it because he was in front I didn't even see him.

Robin: I will say something about the cutting horn of a Japanese motorcycle I kind of see what the loud pipes save lives well imagine if you actually learn how to ride but if you have that cutting horn I understand it sounds weak but it cuts but it cuts everything way up ahead hears it a sonic gun for stupid animals and it works except for javelinas then they'll just they'll just attack you

Brian: So travis did you have expectations when you went out there and how were those changed

Travis: I had expectations of the road being challenging and fun and exciting and it was it was all those things but i was told, and two it is later in the season but the the wall kind of flat crossing sections, were hotter and flatter than i anticipated, the difficult surface conditions people tell you things and, then you go do the real thing and it's always different right from what people tell you and it was it was both the same and different where it's like there were it wasn't as bad as i was expecting for like difficult surface conditions, but there were difficult surface conditions so yeah.

Brian: Could have been worse probably i don't know

Travis: And again once you get your eye in for it for you know like wisconsin has terrible service conditions right god, but i'm used to those terrible service conditions once you're used to and i can i can see it and i can feel it and i can recognize it so that was really the thing it was just being on it long enough to adapt.

Brian: You know the different grays of cow shit you know and how slippery they are and

Travis: But I know when I come up and it's like, this is a chip seal road, how to read it and how to test it. If it's set, it'll look different. If it's not set, I'll drag a foot and then I can tell. It's like, is this fresh, fresh where I'm just riding on pea gravel? Which is fine because I know how to do that. And the worst thing with those Wisconsin roads is when it's not fresh and it's not set. because then you get mixed conditions as you go left to right across, you know.

Robin: Choose your adventure every 30 feet.

Travis: And they all look the same. You can't really tell. Yeah. Until it's really ground in and the tar starts coming out.

Robin: So go to tro.bike and sign up for our Wisco Disco Tour, which is based in Wisconsin.

Brian: We can't make that sound ominous. I'm sorry. I like it.

Robin: Segment three, I will say, Jordan has a very natural and healthy dedication to the history of Joey Dunlop his biggest hero in motorcycling and all things satellite to motorcycling I know there's something to be said I don't know where we're at we haven't gotten to Honda yet maybe this is when we do that let's find out

Jordan: Quote from Mick Grant, he didn't approve of the new classifications of the Isle of Man. He says, how can you take a world championship seriously when it's only one round? Okay, so this was the thing. The new Isle of Man, Formula One, Formula Two, and Formula Three, you raced it once and you either won or didn't win, right? So everything's got to start somewhere. So Mick Grant, it wasn't a world championship, in my opinion, in the early days. I took every race I entered seriously, but to sit there with a smug look on your face, thinking you were a world champion after one round, I think that would have been embarrassing. If that was my only claim to fame, I'd certainly be embarrassed. But everything's got to start somewhere. And once it got going and had a lot more rounds, it was a different ballgame. They started with this Formula One, Formula Two, Formula Three, that you could literally win it and consider yourself a world championship of Formula One or whatever, but you really just raced one race. It could be down to somebody else's machinery failing or whatever, Whereas in other categories, you win whatever out of seven or whatever out of five or whatever out of three. So with questionable beginnings, the revamped Isle of Man TT races eventually gain support and esteem after being stripped of its GP status of bikes based on production machines. and became the forerunner to today's World Superbike Championships. So this is important for us today. Whereas the GP races were to be comprised of exotic machinery that was not built in quantities or in any commercially available form that was available to the public, Joey Dunlop gave the race its credibility and fan base that it needed to expand. So the future of the Alamantiti was in question. They needed to do something. So they did this. Throughout the 1980s, Joey would make the Formula One championship his own. But in 1977, Joey still wasn't a favorite. The night before Queen Elizabeth of England, her 25th year on the throne or whatever it was, this was a Jubilee race. As a matter of fact, Triumph built a Jubilee Bonneville in 1977 that you can look up on your screen right now that became a collectible bike. England and all of the UK took the Queen's Silver Jubilee quite seriously. So the night before the Jubilee race, Tom Heron, another famous racer, took Joey around the rain courses in 1977. Joey's done this in his own car. Tom Heron takes Joey around the race course in 1977 and instructed him on the correct lines to take and what gears to be in and what hazards to be aware of. Those laps with Tom Heron finally allowed Joey to completely understand the course. He attributes his ability to know the course to Tom Heron. Now, films from 1977 hardly showed Joey at all. For the TT, Schweppes, which is now known as Cadbury Schweppes, which is a major conglomerate and not limited to soda and tonic water, Cadbury eggs, okay? Cadbury Schweppes had a special Silver Jubilee race on the Isle of Man and offered a 1,000-pound purse for the winner. And in 1977, Joey won it. Joey won his first race on the Isle of Man on a 750cc Yamaha four-cylinder two-stroke TZ750, which like I said is basically a Siamese TZ350 or 250 or whatever somewhere in between and In Joey's opinion, he really considered keeping that bike going for four laps to be pure luck. He had zero confidence in the bike's ability to stay together. He had experienced mechanical trouble during the race, but tried to keep his head and throttle in check. He said it was scary, and his words scary. He was actually in a bit of a panic and even thought of throwing the race after two laps in the lead. Like, he was seriously saying, I don't want to win this thing. But he was ahead of everybody. You're getting in Joey's head here. He started to think of the publicity and exposure there would be if he had won it. He's still this shy guy. He's like, what if I win this fucking thing, you know? I don't want that. He didn't want that, you know? He was thinking about the magnum of champagne, right? That you got to open and spray it around all the place. And he didn't think he'd be able to get the bottle open. He's thinking this while he's winning his race. That he doesn't want to win it because he doesn't think he's going to be able to open a bottle of champagne. He's never done it before. Thoughts that go through his head as he crosses the finish line. And that's just how he thinks. It would be embarrassing if he couldn't open the bottle. Luckily, he managed to get the bottle open, and he won the race, right? And at that point, he also received the biggest paycheck he'd ever received in his life to date. The most he ever earned at a race was 100 pounds plus 50 gallons of petrol. This is the equivalent of winning a raffle at some Wisconsin supper club and getting your meal comped. And now he wins 1,000 pounds all at once. So effectively, this one race, he won 10 times what he'd ever won in any race. This also comes with fringe benefit because this is Cadbury Schweppes. It's a big deal. This gentleman, David Wood, was impressed and surprised with Joey's win. He was filming the whole thing, and he neglected to take any photos of Joey until the podium because Joey was nobody. He was just some Irish guy. They heard that he won in Ireland, but he didn't make a name for himself. And so he says, I didn't know that much about Joey at that point, but I took a few pics of him in the paddock after the race. He was just a young Irish road racer. He looked so smooth out there on the track, though, rather than out of control. He looked as though he'd been riding the TT course all of his life. Yet, it was only his second TT attempt. His win was a big surprise. That's David Wood. Joey won the race by 51.66 seconds ahead of George Fogarty. Carl's dad And set the fastest lap of the day at 110.93 miles per hour. Now, remember, the lap record is just over 112. Joey did it his second time out at the TT at $1.10.93 against people who have been racing there literally for over a decade. And Joey does it his second time out at $1.10.93, the third fastest lap ever recorded on the mountain course, and just over one second short of the all-time record. Now, Carl Fogarty, another famous racer who you know, was also there, but he was only a 12-year-old kid. But he remembered that day. He remembered Joey that day. And he says, I think me dad is now quite proud to have finished second to Joey when he got his first TT win. I remember being there watching. My dad always seemed to have a bit of bad luck at the TT, and he was trying to catch Joey. Round there, he was never going to catch him. I was in the grandstand, and I remember the commentator saying, Joey's stopped. Now listen to this. He's pulled in, and he's stopped at Parliament Square on the last lap. Joey literally pulled over in the race and still beat George Fogarty. I think something was hanging off of his bike, so he stopped to check. But he was that far in front, he still managed to win the race. To be honest, his bike looked, and this is reminding you, Joey's style. His bike looked like it could have fallen apart at any time during the race. Me and my dad were on the grid at the Southern 100, also on the Isle of Man, but that's the airport strip, next to Joey one time, and we're looking across, thinking, bloody hell, that thing's not going to last around here. He's looking at his bike. There's some rope holding the exhaust pipes on. Then the next thing we knew He'd won the race Alright, so this is Joey I told you He had an engine And he had a frame And he did everything himself And if it was duct tape or rope Holding his shit together He's still gonna fucking win the race And he does Now That same year, Mick Grant, who had been racing the Isle of Man TT since 1970 and had amassed three wins to that date on the island, had raised his all-time record that year on his Kawasaki to 112.77 miles per hour. So this, Joey's literally right there against these absolutely established Isle of Man racers. And his second time out, he's literally just, between you and me and the fence post, a pair short of beating them. And he's just been handed professional equipment. He just got it. On a second attempt, he had come within one second of Mick Grant. Joey had everybody's attention. This is 1977. The LMNTT is in the middle of the year. It's not at the end of the year. This is not the end of everything. That same year, like I said, Mick Grant, who had been racing the Allemantia T.T. since 1970 and had amassed three wins already on the island, he ended up winning seven times, had raised the all-time record that year on his Kawasaki to 112.77 miles. This is the average speed. They were down to increases of just fractions of a second, and Joey, on his second attempt on the course, could come within just over one second of him on 37.73 miles. He's within one second of that average lap. Crazy, his second try. The Jubilee wasn't Joey's only success in 1977. Now, now he's got two kids, too. He took 10th place in the Junior 250cc race. Placing it all is good, right? Seventh place in the Classic TT, and Classic TT does not mean vintage bikes. It means it's just a classic, what do they call it? It's modern bikes. And he took fourth place in the Blue Ribbon Senior TT, which is the big bikes. right behind Phil Reed, Tom Heron, and Eddie Roberts, and ahead of America's Pat Hannon, who finished third in the 500cc Grand Prix World Champion. This is GP, which has been stripped from the Isle of Man. He beat the guy who took third place in the 500cc Grand Prix Championship that year. When Joey returned to Northern Ireland, he returned as a hero, and 1977 was a great year for Joey. And that's what I got. Now, 77 overall, he took 33 wins in Ireland. He took 16 second places and five third places. He won three Irish national championships in 250, 350, and 750 CC classes. He won the championships. And now he starts to travel more. And he began racing in England against people like Barry Sheen, Ron Haslam, and Roger Marshall. So now he's starting to branch out and say, okay, who's the next guy? He's doing his George Foreman and the guy who bites people's ears off, whatever, you know. Now, Barry Sheehan had won his second 500cc World Championship in 1977 and was by far the biggest and flashiest star that motorcycling had ever produced. with the glamour, prestige, personality, a Rolls-Royce, and a supermodel wife to make it all the more flashy. And he was the antithesis of Joey in many ways, but they somehow became friends. And Joey would never again be anonymous.

Robin: Now you have to find your way out of here.

Brian: That's right. So we recap New Mexico with two very, very tired and expended people.

Robin: I'm so spent.

Travis: I had a long day of laying on the air mattress, but I am recovering from the ride.

Robin: This is last night here. He takes off tomorrow. I will be sad. But then I get to see you, sir. And I'm probably going to make some regular visits to this guy. And maybe we'll all get together and do something Kentucky-ish. We're going to figure it out. We'll figure something out.

Brian: There will be track days.

Robin: Track days.

Brian: Get my funny leather jammers on. I want to get to Putnam Park. That's one of my goals this year.

Robin: That looks like a very fast track.

Brian: Yeah, it's small. You know, it's like a mile and a half.

Travis: Yeah, it seemed like there weren't that many like tight, slow corners though.

Brian: So yeah, I want to get to Putnam Park. It's a different organization. So it'll be a little weird for me, I think. You know, I'm used to MotoVid and their first class. Hopefully a sport bike track time is first class too. Can't wait.

Robin: You'll like them. They're a different animal. You might have to hold hands and pray to Jesus for some weird reason, but in the end, just do whatever they say and then walk away and have a great damn time.

Brian: That's a great way to put it.

Robin: I don't know when I'll be able to sit down and really court. I've got other episodes to produce, but Travis is here. If it's going to be you and me this next round or not, I don't know. What would you recommend that we talk about next time?

Travis: Have you guys done motorcycle wish lists? Like you hit the Powerball, what are you going to buy? What are you going to stock your garage with?

Robin: Oh, damn. Yeah, I've got thoughts. We did the opposite of that.

Brian: We've done cheap bikes. We've done, yeah, we've done.

Travis: Which new bike should I buy? The Panigale V4S or, yeah. So you got the option. What are you doing?

Brian: 10-bike garage. What are you putting in it?

Robin: I like it.

Brian: The gear wish list, maybe. Like, what are you wearing? What are you riding?

Robin: The combo. I like that. We'll do that for segment one and segment two.

Travis: Bikes and gear, yeah.

Brian: What I'm going to do is I'm going to fly in Joanne, and I'm going to say, dress me. And she's going to say, we're going to fly to Netherlands, and we're going to go to Revit.

Robin: Yeah, Denmark. They grow this gear out of a very rare plant that costs a million dollars per leaf.

Brian: And they were going to go to these glove people In Austria And then we're going to fly to,

Travis: Yeah We've got to go to Australia to get the kangaroo leather Well.

Robin: Can we end this thing? I want to eat dinner

Brian: Let's eat dinner