Robin: How are things in the great white north?

Brian: Robin things are good.

Robin: Yeah, are you I mean is it covered in snow?

Brian: Not not right today. Yeah, like we had we had to actually really good weather this weekend And and I spent the entire weekend doing manual labor We're putting siding on my house. And so I Stood there like a hog looking at a watch And doing what little I could to help My brother-in-law Marge's brother who actually does know what he's doing with house stuff I don't know what anything like he doesn't know what he's doing the motorcycle stuff. I don't know what I'm doing with house stuff so he's Helping or he's doing the siding on the house while I like try to do try to help and I'm doing a bunch of work on his Harley. So it's a good trade. Yeah, it's a partial trade like match made in heaven for that I am sore in place, you know, like I work out I Reasonably active, but I'm you know, I work at a desk and oh my god I am so sore just from a day of you know, and it's not like we're laying brick.

Robin: It was just Two days of really manual just up and down ladders yada yada But that I mean so the two nights ago our friends our neighbors next door I've got some college friends living next door for the next three months next to us The wife of that couple wanted to learn backgammon and this has been a thing so two nights ago We went over there and finally after Watching videos. We were gonna learn backgammon. Okay, so that we could revisit these videos I held my phone up and I held that phone up for 10 minutes and my arm was in the same position Do you see where this is going? It doesn't necessarily matter What you're doing, but if you're contorted in any particular fashion for an extended amount of time you are working muscles Just by having them exist in a position.

Brian: That is not what they're used to being again Yeah, I haven't driven a nail and probably literally ten years everything's screwed together, you know and It's like my little hand hurts I'm such a weenie, you know I you know, I'll get you know, I'll get used to it. We did what we have one wall done Now we've got three more to go. So well real quick.

Robin: Let's do some you know, we got I know we got the banter going banter Banter corrections website updates because now we have a nice clean slate outline going on here I will ask you have you gotten a ride recently at all?

Brian: I have not I have done motorcycle Mechanic-ing but I have not pulled a motorcycle out yet this year It's bad. Is it keeping you sane all the wrenching? No, it's helping but I need to yeah I need it. I need to get out of the garage and on on two wheels That's the methadone and you need the real thing.

Robin: I need the real thing man I need to I need it straight into my head into my veins This might inspire you a little bit then from the last episode We recorded you had asked a question about a product that combined both a jumpstart and a compressor into one item Lo and behold click the link here. We are going to Amazon Steve Bezos. We're looking for I call him Steve He and I are cool. Okay There you have it the Lockithor JA300 jumpstarter with air compressor 1500 amp 12-volt portable car battery booster pack for up to 7 liters of gas or 4.5 liter diesel 150 psi tire player with digital screen 24 months ultra long standby Now the first thing that came to mind when by the way shout out to Seth leader for finding this for us Seth leader Good friend. Nice guy solid individual He pointed this thing out and he's like weren't you just looking for something like this because the timing was weird He listened to that episode and then was on the hunt for this at the same time The dimensions turn around my head around this so it's five and a half inches by Just shy of ten inches wide by about four inches tall and I think that's because of the handle it's a chalk it's a chunk, but let's talk about that for a second because if you think about the Individual components that go into this thing the benefit of having them Independent of one another is that they're gonna fit into your bag a little bit more Loosely like you can actually control what's gonna go where right? however, if you are able to Geometrically fit this into one of your bags It has the same amount of general real estate going on for the two things that are having that are being put to use but it's One unit that's combined which means the the lithium-ion jump battery, which stays charged forever Of course, I mean based on the one that I already have the jump back. I have it's still charged now Yeah, you don't have to worry about whether or not the compressors run out Which in my case with the we have the site plus two. We have an article on the site Just look up site plus two on TRO bike, right? I've got that one every time I pull that thing out It doesn't know if it's charged or not I have to plug it into something long enough for it to get a charge and then it's like, okay We're good to go. We're ready to rock. So that's been the experience This thing would eliminate that problem and it's got a giant light on it Yeah, and you can use it to charge devices and so forth.

Brian: Yeah, it's a little chonky It's a little chonky and it's got like a big It's got a big handle on it that kind of would you know in a car sure no problem But on a motorcycle it would take up but yeah, this is this is getting there. This is getting to that This is this is getting real close to what? What we need, you know, and it could work like on a lot of day trips Like we have a rally or something like most of my junk is at the hotel, you know And this would fit or am I you know, this would fit in a saddlebag real easy, you know There's plenty of room in there for a lot of the day trips.

Robin: So I could probably pull the trigger on this not bad Right. Yeah, Seth leader hooked it up. I don't think there's power going through that handle either So I just cut the handle off.

Brian: Yeah, you could buzz the handle off and Not that people listening in the future, but what I'm seeing is there's like a sale on it that ends in half an hour.

Robin: So Yeah, all right, well it ends in 26 minutes and 37 seconds 35 34 33 That's not good. We have to hurry out. This would be a rush production.

Brian: It's a lightning deep Yeah, they have a lightning deal is and whether that's coming back or not. I don't know.

Robin: But anyway, it's got two forms So they have a 1500 amp and a 2000 amp and I don't let's see what the dimensions are on the 2000 I'm just out of curiosity. That one is now it's the same dimensions get a Higher output Let's see This one can do an 8 liter gas or 6 liter diesel If you ever find yourself in the situation where you need to jumpstart five bikes at the same time You do have what an 8 liter diesel that you might have to jumpstart. I don't know We have a 6 6 liter diesel it's conceivable Back to the outline.

Brian: So what's this about reverse engineering Robin?

Robin: Website updates for TRL bike. I've been sort of going through some older code from an older version of myself and Swatching that out in favor of some new code that I've developed on the side that is Sort of prepackaged and ready for all the sites that I've worked on in the past Some of the same components I've used with other clients are gonna be used on TRL so I had to go into the code figure out all of the mess that tied this piece of math to that piece of math and As a result, I immediately saw the weather page collapsed before my very eyes That strangely enough was when we started getting a lot of hits to the weather page. It was no longer functioning weather pages back Everything is working. So my notes per se what do I got? There may be a bug or two in the mix But for the most part of things back and operational again, and I'm happy about that which is making my life easier nice Another thing I've been doing is recording a pre-tour rant video about like the same stuff We used to do with the can am rides like hi everybody. I don't know you but I'm about to let you follow me on the Street, here's how that is going to go Right, and I've recorded one that is more comedy than anything and another one that's up at a beautiful scenery here in New Mexico We'll see which one I go with after I produce them both nice and then I see you got some down here for manual labor Oh, yeah, because you've been doing all that work on the household. Yeah good stuff Brian. You're steering the ship Segment one. What do you feel like getting into one of the ways?

Brian: I'm keeping myself sane through this god-awful winter is looking forward to my visit out to Truth or consequences, New Mexico to do some writing in April with Robin with Maggie with some awesome people Anyway, we'll also get to update our photos for the podcast stuff to have pictures of us. That's true for a picture We're gonna be in the same place at the same time. Yeah How amazing is that I think the last time we were in the same place at the same time Like we may have gotten a picture because we were in Missouri and in a gas station in front of a sign said Dave's doobies That's the

Robin: That is the best I have for the pockets it's you in the orange shirt with the suspenders and me and some Disco moisture wicking nonsense point at the camera being like yeah It'll do for now.

Brian: So for this trip, I'm gonna fly out. I'm gonna I'm gonna try this. I Suppose if I had you know, if I was a real whatever I'd just ride out to New Mexico from Indiana But so what I'm gonna do is I'm going to fly into Albuquerque because they've got they got the airport You could fly in El Paso, but it's smaller anyway, I ended up renting a motorcycle on Twisted Road and It's gonna be awesome, it's a they had a lot of bikes They had more people renting their motorcycles out then than the other guys But yeah, it was a little complicated and There was some problem with the verification. So my rental didn't go through The transaction got flagged by me a credit union because they're like, hey, you don't often rent motorcycles in Albuquerque. What the hell? Sorted that out had to go back anyway throughout at all The support people at Twisted Road were really fantastic got things sorted out I mean, it would have been nice to just kind of self-serve But you know that that requires coding solutions and sticking together things for a lot of different contingencies That's the thing about website design though is when it comes to what they've done.

Robin: Okay. Yes, we have to see it progress Yeah, it has to get better. Yeah, so they've done a thing It's a statically place site that you can access and and you can get the bikes. It will happen. You can rent the bike however, no website should ever give you any kind of vibe of look you have to understand, you know the Complications that come to play you need to hide all those sloppily Malmeasured cogs that are happening behind the screen those have to be invisible to the viewer so that what we know is a guaranteed Rental, you know, hey, let me let me explain is not something that any website visitor wants to deal with

Brian: I understand like and some of the some of the seams showed a little bit but that you know the people The people there really took care of it and and and took care of the problem. No doubt. They are pretty cool Yeah, and and the thing is, you know, they're putting together. Okay, so they not only have to deal with credit card issue You know PC, you know deal with Managing people's credit card data or not managing credit, you know getting getting payments and all that stuff But they also have like an insurance company that has to like look at you and approve You know, is this guy just some schmuck who never rides or is this is this somebody who's got some history? You kind of have to give you a writing resume and so forth Somebody has to review that and I guess the automated the automated decision came back Like it I don't know what happened and and then they and then they they're like well I didn't make any sense and they and they did it again. It was fine. So I got approved to do that So now that I'm in their system and it's all working The next time I rent a bike from Twisted Road, it's gonna be a smooth silk. I'm sure The owner of the bike that I'm renting in April is has been really cool He actually asked me. Hey, you want me to put some knobby tires on that? You're gonna you're gonna go do some dirt. I'm like, well probably not There's a chat was what a guy, you know, like what kind of tires do you want, sir?

Robin: That is kind that is really nice So it sounds like you worked your general social magic just to get in good with whoever you're working with there, which is really here Yeah, you have that effect on people. I don't doubt that that's gone. Well so far I will say however As I said before there's a chance on the very last day at the end of the out-and-back route It could become a loop if you decide you want to try to connect the dots and do something Which may turn out to be pretty amazing, especially since GBW is bringing his Speaking of which what did you what did you rent?

Brian: I got a BMW f700 GS It's about the size of a V strong same kind of about like that So it's not like a hardcore, but it's it can do a little bit of dirt. But yeah, yeah if he's got some New magic fantastic BMW or whatever.

Robin: He's got I don't know what he's doing But yeah, if he's coming out on something like that, maybe I highly doubt he's gonna be doing six 70 30s for 700 miles a day Though he's cranking a big ride here. I think he's a madman, but that's all right

Brian: just I'm gonna throw this out into the universe and see if somebody throws it back like they did with the with the with the jump starter but I Really want to find like a backpack or a bag that I could carry on the Southwest flight and I can like stuff my helmet into the bottom of it and a few other things in the top of it and then throw it in the overhead and in your in your average 737 And go somewhere with that because I don't want you know, I checking my helmet is not happening

Robin: You know, I need that with me if you go to TRO dot bike. Yes. It's a sport touring website What is it called again? Robin? TRO dot bike TRO dot bike of the riding obsession And if you type into the search bar, which is still loading because my internet's been slow today dry bag diddy and that's D-i-t-t-y dry bag ditty you're gonna see an article I wrote. I'm sorry that I composed About dry bags their usefulness and their general utilitarian ease of organization That article points to a really good dry bag That is just a giant open can a keep it dry key. No water get any or what's I something catchy? I don't know. But the point is that that bag is the way to go if you get one of those it is Huge and you can fit everything in there for one go you'll knock on the heads of every person that you walk by in the aisles It'll be great. I actually have a 40 liter dry bag Estimate.

Brian: Yeah, that could do it. I I don't know if it'd be really it'd be good It'd be good for checked luggage because yeah, I'm gonna have to check something and then that's what I was planning on doing I wanted something to carry on the plane. It's a little different. Yeah, I think I've got an SW Motec dry bag It's it's something and it's a 40 liter 40 liters is good

Robin: I think I've got a 60 and a 40 So if you organize things that are going into it in their own separate bags and manage to shape them to the contours of that You're pretty much gold like if you can squish it

Brian: Yeah Like you can kind of mold and squish things and change the shape a little bit make it soft enough where you can You can cram it in there. It'll be alright like a yeah

Robin: that's a great thing about compression bags is electronics cameras computers compression bags make it great because you could just fold the computers into the shape you need them to be and

Brian: Yeah, the helmet is technically a tiny bit too tall for a Fit in a carry-on, but I've seen people in Southwest bring like live goats I mean, nobody cares that people are bringing stuff ridiculous things I think a helmet that's like half an inch taller than the 10-inch limit is going to be fine

Robin: Probably I also like that. The idea is to be the bike Be the bike so if your sport touring bike Has two saddle bags and a top case then you can have two small bags and a backpack So those three combined are the way to like that's how I would do it I would have a bag on my back two bags and you know one in each hand I would be the bike

Brian: Wear your boots onto the plane Some people like oh you should wear your wear your jacket on it. It's like no that's going into carry-on I'm not gonna wear my jacket my you know, anyway, let's talk about listener questions.

Robin: I Got a good one And I'm pretty sure that if I can just get the momentum going you'll pick up the baton as I know How kind of guy when it comes to bikes the question? I don't know this guy I just yanked this off of Facebook on a forum Facebook page I'm a part of because it belongs to my bike. All right, so this is regarding an r1200 or r1250 RS BMW r1200 RS BMW r1250 RS The post this one goes out to Ian who is not gonna hear this or whatever or maybe he will let's find out He says guys some help, please I've installed a hex easy canned and auxiliary lights on my RS and I'm wondering if I'll ever be able to refit the rear pillion Seat without some serious rework. Can I please have some advice on how this has been successfully accomplished? so there's a picture here and I remember being at this point in my wrenching and wiring Expertise where whatever came in the packaging has to be kept intact Forcibly stuffed into a small area on a small machine So the even though it's a big bike it's still a bike and motorcycles don't have a surplus of storage space They're not a u-haul So he has taken this easy can which Brian the easy can system is basically a way to get by the canvas Or not to get by it's a it's a fully vetted or sanctioned Way by BMW and other companies that make use of a canvas Anybody use an ECU there's usually some system that allows you to plug into that ECU so long as you spend the 300 times more than you should have to to get the thing that allows you to do So you have to buy the product connect it to the system. It's all plug-and-play, which okay good good on you That's cool. But it always comes with about 30 feet more wiring than you need and This person I'm guessing that Ian doesn't necessarily Like to cut and splice and create connections and go through the motions of getting things sized for the bike So he's got the whole thing under the seat. That's where if it were me if it were me I'd say cut cut splice Reconnect and size to suit. That's what I would do.

Brian: What do you got Brian the easy can the actual device? Is that little I'm looking at their website, too And I'm like in like in real time learning about what the hell this thing does, you know, so it's actually it's a small device It's about the size of a about the size of your average vape, you know, someone's someone's sucking on a vape That's about how big it is and it's got a bunch of wires coming out of it It looks like it needs a wire going in from the can't you know, pulling power and acting like I'm I'm just a happy Perfectly compliant can bus device drawing only what I should draw

Robin: Feed me electrons and reporting what I'm drawing so that you can have that data Here's how much draw I'm using so that you can recalculate how you Let people ride on the weekends to a Starbucks.

Brian: It's actually a really small device But what I'm seeing here is and again, I'm just guessing I'm going I'm learning this in real time There's a whole bunch of excess wire for that He's not really using you can cut and splice wires in the middle. So you get like a wiring harness Something like that. There's gonna be two wires in there

Robin: maybe three when you say that somebody who knows enough to get themselves in trouble or have a Problematic opinion that person is gonna tell you Oh you don't want to do that either because the impedance of the wires can create a specific voltage draw and if the computer doesn't get the right report You know and no no, this is coming from a person me specifically who? Screw the can bus. I went around it directly to the battery Yeah So I did exactly what I you know I did a relay into a fuse block and ran it directly to the battery and I never looked back and it's never been a Problem. Yeah People like to buy these things. I have no need for it But I get that they want they're concerned about computer behavior things like that and back to what you were saying Basically unplug everything you can unplug.

Brian: I'm I'm sure it's made so that you don't have to have There's probably 15 feet of wiring in that and it's all jacketed with this beautiful Abrasive protective. Oh, it's love. Yeah, it's beautiful He's only running a pair of driving lights with it. You could probably remove most of that Yeah, so you don't need to unplug in all the options And yeah cutting wires in the middle and splicing them, you know, once you know how to do it If you're using good crimps In these stagger them so they don't make form a big blob in the middle and so forth That's all a skill that you need to learn The other thing is the jacketing on these is kind of that Chinese finger trap stuff So one thing a lot of people don't know is that you can kind of slice off that there's a little bit of heat shrink Near the end like if you look near the plug, there's a little bit of heat shrink Transitioning from that jacketing to and you can just see a little bit of the bare wire Pull that off and then you can expand the jacketing and pull it off of there if that would help make things better

Robin: Yeah, and then as Brian has said in the past then you can put it back together with a Malga mating.

Brian: Oh, yeah I'm bigger me a Malga mating to amalgamating So that would be one way to get in there and then and then shorten those wires Get something that really works for you. And the other thing if you really want to kind of get into the advanced class Learn how to deep end connectors Sometimes that helps too. You can deep end the connectors and a lot of these things. I don't know for these connectors Maybe BMW connectors are weird, but figure out what they are and where that you where you get them They don't look like Metro pack or weather pack or something like that

Robin: I think coming up with those connectors is a whole language by itself Like they're using some standard Latin that amounts to the geometry and the click points that these things have but when you look at them It's it is it's like to translate that back like to reverse engineer that visually into what is it? How would you describe this triangular connection with three outlets to anybody?

Brian: There's a website? this is a this is a guy from Canada who lives in Japan and He didn't know anyway, the website is called Eastern beaver Eastern beaver comm this guy has access to all the Different weird little connectors that the Japanese OEMs use another popular one I've run into on Harley's is a Deutsch connectors. It's a brand of connector You know You can get the connector shell kits and connectors and you can get the crimper that you need and all that stuff to make Factory connections that are watertight. That's one way to really customize get exactly the wire length You need without it all that extra junk

Robin: Or another good one is wire nuts not everybody's into the wire nuts thing, but I do say that those Wago connectors They're just flip up tabs put bare wire into each outlet clump them down Shout out to Tim Clark about that one because quite frankly it has made my wiring that much easier now I just strip the wire put them in the thing. They're not waterproof though That's the thing if you're gonna use those they need to go under something because they're not designed to like go swimming Next segment Brian you got a new helmet and you've got some really cool ideas for the helmet manufacturers out there let's see if we can claim this as our own and Sue them when the time comes when they then I steal our ideas from tear at a bike

Brian: Robin, I have a confession to make I have a diseased head I have a cranium that is misshapen the thing that contains my brain is just a lumpy mess and and so I have Hellish problems finding helmets that actually work. You know, I want to go buy a motorcycle helmet I can't just like order up a shoe II is the natural form of your skull augmented reality Something like that is like dammit. I would just want to buy a helmet, you know, I had literally tried everything Anyway, so right now at this point in time The only high-end helmet that fits me is I don't know why I don't know how but it's the AGV k6 And so I had an AGV k6 five or six hundred dollar helmet Bought it three years ago, and it's kind of like worn out. It's got a lot of miles on it I mean three years is about all I can get out of a helmet. That's normal That's not I mean because we do and I write a lot Before that one came out the only helmet that fit me was this cheap for a hundred dollar helmet the thing was fantastic But it was a Bell qualifier. That was the only helmet on the planet that fit me I went through three of them probably if I had tried to do a track day They probably wouldn't let me on the track.

Robin: The arise are more transformable You can sort of deconstruct the padding and order different pads to take their place The helmet you buy is of course the standard specs for their measurement system, but that after the fact you can Sort of pick and choose what contours if we're gonna get to your theory in a second here But I had an arise salesman.

Brian: I think he was if he wasn't in tears. He was close to tears. I Went to an array dealer. I was like I have Money on hand. I will exchange right we can even order the helmet I just need to find something that fits and this poor guy. I mean he did his best Was he just like why would God do this to a man's? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I feel so sorry for you, sir Nothing arye had would fit me and they pulled the liner out and check this blah blah nothing Show he has something now called and I just learned about this and I saw a video on it It's called showy personal fitting system or PFS Yes You basically go to a showy dealer that's that has a guy or somebody certified in this you make them make an appointment and They basically do what you were just talking about They take a showy helmet if you already bought your showy helmet and it's not that old or stinky You can bring it in and have them do this, but they take the liner out They have a system where they can measure your head document map all the lumps and they can Cut and insert pads around, you know between the EPS light and your liner They like position the eye line of the helmet. It's not just for comfort, you know They get the helmet like sitting correctly on your head You're standing inside a hatter and collider and just all of a sudden you hear boom and they've got the thing you need It's basically a pretty simple measurement device and some special training and some very basic materials and it's like 80 bucks Which I would pay 80 bucks for a helmet that feels good and fits

Robin: Yeah, we're adults our heads aren't gonna change that much like to have the data for future reference is gonna that's gonna guide us to the next time and if if showy is now devising a system where they're able to Match contours that they didn't use to match a lot of people myself included. I had jumped ship for a rye Because I put on the array helmet and I was able to get the exact fit for my head shape and showy They don't typically have that Variety of head shapes available to their helmet structure So if they're starting to come up with their own system to do this, I just see that as a stairstep in competition That's for the better. They're now saying okay fine.

Brian: We'll level up the game you want better we'll show you we can now fit everybody by way of Personal assistance, it's very reasonably priced, you know The only problem at the current time is there's only like 12 of these in the u.s And of course like everything else in motorcycling and this is another rant it everything's in frickin, California. I Think it was Bell for a while It was like $1,200 But Bell had a process for a while where you could go into room you could get your cranium laser scanned And then they had like chimpanzees that would carve out the perfect helmet for you but it was ridiculously expensive and very difficult to get and this is like You buy your helmet and it's like 80 bucks on top of that and it's it's fairly low-tech but it's you know, they can fine-tune that liner with different pieces of foam and Cut and shape it and so forth to get it sitting on your head, right? they'll figure out you know where your eyes are and make sure your Eyeline is in the right spot stuff like that Like a lot of people the helmet sits too low and so they move the helmet up a bit then you can see better It really needs to spread. I would show you helmets are just jewelry. I would love to buy a showy helmet I just can't I've had them before and then they stopped making the only one that fit me I would go back to show you in a heartbeat and then that led to my my spray cheese idea Maybe someone in China is already making this. Well, here's my idea. It's a concept Please take it and run with it. Whoever you are You open up your box from wherever you get a helmet shell You get a plastic bag of some sort you get out like a helmet liner I need to get a chance of this like spray cheese foam or something like that You know the spray cheese you put on crackers and stuff

Robin: Problem is you keep saying it now I just want to eat crackers with spray cheese for the next hour and a half

Brian: So you put the plastic bag over your head poke some air holes Put the helmet liner on put the helmet on and then you bring in a good friend to plug in the can of spray cheese light diffuse The cheese or the foam like spreads through the helmet in a controlled manner.

Robin: Hopefully it needs to be Needs to be rapid-fire rapid-fire It needs to be like Grenade. Yeah Yeah, it needs to be like the fire foam that they used to yeah, you know I'm talking about like it's just like boom and all of a sudden the whole helmet's just you're just sitting there like You know, I was supposed to think about airbags in a car. We're like, are you ready? Okay.

Brian: Now now this is gonna take a little bit So I yeah, so and then you wait five minutes the the spray cheese or the foam hardens pull it off You end up with a perfectly fitted helmet. I mean, wouldn't that be cool and a small headache But you know, what's a little chemical poisoning or formaldehyde? Are you bleeding from the other ear? No, well, then be grateful Yeah, you're fine and you can put speakers in there and everything my other idea is just you stick your head into this box and in like a a Robot scans your head.

Robin: I would spend upwards of 500 bucks for a one-time Moment of having them send me that go through those motions and then you mail it back to them Realistically, yeah that kind of thing could work that does go south for some though. Sometimes you'll Like for earplugs or something like that and you put the foam in and you start fiddle-faddle I'm with your jawline or whatever because you're just like sitting there and you're not sure and you're not sure what it's just working And then you send it off and you get like $600 worth of this is uncomfortable However, I think the concept of sound I think it's a it.

Brian: This is a great thing Speaking about my head being weird. I have like really huge ear canals. So I had to like seek out special earplugs What and like custom earplugs don't work whenever I move my jaw at all It breaks the seal and the ear and the custom earplugs don't work anymore

Robin: I have no way to bridge this next topic the structure now says anecdotal chit-chat, so How you doing man chin over wrist or counter steering or counterweighting or counterweight steering or steering with counters I don't remember which ones which I always forget there's counter steering this counter waiting One is when you're leaning away from the direction you're steering in who cares? The point is chin over wrist or the opposite of that. Let's say it that way What do you have to say on the matter in taking a corner?

Brian: I mean if you're taking a corner at speed sure the idea being get to the inside of the corner Somehow move your carcass Bring your ass off to the side and create more of a safety zone for yourself, you know Okay but counter leaning I think is what you were talking about where you have to Lean the bike left and you're leaning off to the right because you're maneuvering at slow speed that kind of thing It's real common off-road to to do that It's just it's kind of like there's all these mnemonics That people come up with and all these words that people everybody defines in their own way Like like one of the things I just won't talk about is counter steering because it's automatically an argument because everybody has a different idea Of what it is. Yes, it's not worth talking about. It's just not worth having that argument. Whoa, what's counter steering? I never counter steer in blah blah blah It's like oil or tires. You can start an online argument just by trying to discuss counter steering It's like it's not even worth talking about

Robin: You're talking about having the talk and I want to get a little bit more into the forest talk and discussion of it because yes There's an argument out there and I would like for us to discuss the argument because there's a ton of confusion about which ones Which I don't even remember right now. I do know that chin over wrist is a known Way of stating that you're leading forward and in John Del Vecchio from cornering confidence and street skills good guy great course Well mentioned in a variety of different planes and But the idea is kiss the mirror is what he would say chin over wrist kiss the mirror point is that you're bringing your chin to the hand in the direction of travel that you're turning in and Using a little bit of body weight off the bike and I've heard people say well if you do that You're more likely to get pulled over because it looks like you're riding aggressively. Okay, I don't care I'm gonna do it anyhow because I like doing it and the opposite being I don't know counter weighting counter steering counterbalance who gives a crap But the point is you're leaning opposite the direction of the turn Definitely handy in dual sport. My response is I don't care I do not care if you go 90 miles an hour through a curve and you were leaning opposite the direction of the bike So long as you enter the curve with a smile on your face You exit fully conscious and aware with the same smile on your face. It doesn't matter you found a way through the turn There is no this is how you do that. There are no absolutes There's simply the method you chose before that turn and successfully got through the curve and hopefully it worked out for you

Brian: You know, you didn't run out of ground clearance or whatever one thing I one thing I saw pointed out not long ago in in one of those f9 fort nine videos And one thing he did point out was when you're going chin over wrist you are giving up some vision You can't see as much to me. That was a learning moment. I'm like, you know, right? I didn't realize that This is the way to create more safety margin So you're not running out of cornering clearance, but I completely disagree You've always wanted to have a fight.

Robin: We're having one. All right If I'm taking a lefty and I go chin over wrist My eyes could only see stereoscopically what they're pointed at in any direction no matter what now maybe to my right there's gonna be more handlebar and Windscreen but my actual field of view looking where I'm going Sees a horizon that's wider to my general left than it did before. It's just a different vantage. It's not any less vision I like fort nine plenty. I also agree with most people that disagree with him. So it's cool It's just a way the either or the this or that it must be one or the other That is in my own terminology Craptastic, yeah, I definitely agree with that.

Brian: There's not like Anybody making pronouncements about the right in the wrong ways is wrong Anybody who says this way or that way?

Robin: That's usually the time when people will step in and that's when they say what I learned Was that you do it like this and that it's like you just missed the entire point of what we said There are no absolutes. Oh, yeah, I hear you.

Brian: What I learned was that this is the way it's just shut up Yeah If you're on a twisty road to mountains to Lane Road and so forth get low kiss the mirror Whatever you call it smooch the grip chin over rest That's fine. That's great. And If you're in the city and so forth Maybe being able to sit up straight and and look around and be paranoid is more important in that context That's beautiful It just depends, you know Like I write like the perfect bike to ride in a city is a KLR 650 because you can take potholes You're you're sitting up high. It looks weird You know, I like looking weird because people look at you that height does help I think But yeah, you're railing along a two-lane so forth smooch the The grip or whatever? That's fine That That may be the perfect way to smile the most as you ride. Absolutely That was almost a two-headed coin right there Two had a coin the way this works is first out of the coin is we have a problem. What's the answer quick? What do you do the other side of the coin? We flip it over we explain and why? All right, you're bopping along out in the middle of nowhere. You're having a great day Suddenly the sign says bridge out What the what do you do evil Knievel?

Robin: I mean how fast are we approaching this bridge out and how many notifications do we get because I mean, I'm not Boys No, let's bridge out and the bridge is more than like 30 feet away Okay, so, you know, it's coming.

Brian: You're coming to a stop is what you're saying Yeah, you're coming to a stop I will answer first fast answer back and forth, oh, hey a bridge out sign I'm gonna go see if the bridge is there. What are you gonna do Robin? I'm gonna go check. You're gonna go check Okay. Yes, we're on the same page The long answer is a lot of times you can get a motorcycle through there You couldn't get a truck or you know, whatever through if no one's looking especially no one's looking.

Robin: Hey That's the idea is that if it's what like a quarter mile in and you've got a slow pace And you're just kind of keeping an eye looking out for the landmines Whatever's going on with this thing and you get to the point where oh, they've shut down both lanes But they left the concrete and the wrought iron in and I'm light and I can make this and I see the road ahead I'm gonna go for it. And then you of course see Jeb who out of nowhere shows up with his truck and he's been doing this all the time They don't know what they're doing these people they keep taking taxes and yeah, I know that crap I'll go check it out and then carry on but the more interesting discussion comes in the form of You didn't know that bridge was out and it is definitely out here I am I'm actually recording this hangry as we've discussed I could eat. I'm hungry I'm sitting here and now I've arrived at a bridge I know that my lunch stop is five miles up, but I'm gonna have to go around Either I'm gonna have to find some crap ass gas station lunch Or I'm gonna have to go. I've got no phone signal my GPS I haven't updated the maps in over a half year. So I'm not even sure if that restaurant was still there in the first place What are what am I doing now? I know that I'm gonna have to look at the map figure out see what's what what goes around this way What goes around that way which roads are still there and are real on my map and which roads? Aren't worth the risk because they are look like they're all probably actually a driveway that kind of thing. Yeah That's where you'll keep calm carry on and for Frick's sake keep snacks on your bike. I always have food Yeah food on the bike These things will happen Do not be angry with the riot leader. They did not invent the roads that you're on

Brian: Keep snacks on the bike and I will point out there is there are many times when a bridge out sign is Frickin awesome if you remember in Missouri on highway 32 the bridge was out just outside of Piedmont on For 32, which is an epic mountain sweeper Road take the word epic and make it all capitals 72 point this was a surprise But we were able to basically route around on letter roads figure out or you know Figure things out blah blah blah blah and get to the other end of 32 where it plugs into Whatever the hell that road is over there anyway Bridge out. What's that mean? No traffic my god, it was sublime How many times do we go back and forth? We did it three times total tires fried to the edges, you know all blue and crispy and oh God, it's just wonderful and the bridge out was great because it really was out and there was nobody else there

Robin: There's an article on TRO dot bike about Idaho It's a long one because of some events that took place that article which I think I've spoken about in the past I think I even looked used it as an opener for an episode Riding Idaho 21 They've been working on that and they would close it down for lengths of time and somebody called me up to the front Where there were two more motorcyclists I didn't know and we had to wait for 45 minutes Which means when they open it up and they sent me ahead you'll see the camera footage that all of that Yeah, it's it's just here you go go do you one car oncoming that I passed the entire time in 30 minutes of footage that Scaled down to a 5-minute video or 10-minute video or something when the heavens give you things like this

Brian: You take them with gladly with both hands.

Robin: No hanging around the gift Reasons a person like me might think yeah Church this week. Why not see what it's all about After that, I owe somebody a sundae sandwich Hey, I'll tell you what. This has been fun, but we've managed to make the time I think Robin you need to go get yourself a sandwich or something.

Brian: It's what's happening. All right, you go get yourself a sandwich I'll go get myself an ibuprofen, man