Brian Wringer: And today we are talking about babies first track day, Oh, yes. And we are welcoming TR o author and podcast emeritus alumni, whatever you want to call them, Travis Burleson and tro cult member Neil Sullivan. Like the sound of that, you want to make some real money, you want to start a cult, yeah,

Robin Dean: because this episode is about track days, we got to go lightning fast, because track days and we like to go fast. And as you said during that track day, I like this quote. I believe ass was hauled, is what you said.

Brian Wringer: I was starting to feel like there was a possibility of, perhaps maybe some hint of ass was hauled by the end of the day. I don't want to make claim to hauling ass. That's kind of a whole claim. I want to make claim to a fraction of glimpsing, the hauling of ass. Which is, which is great. Come on. I was in the yellow group. That's all you want. I gotta go around you on this. I

Robin Dean: gotta go see I gotta go see I gotta pass you in the street here. Okay, I'm already opening banter corrections and website updates. The name of the tire inflator that I was speaking about the previous episode was the roof packs tire inflator. They are the Ma and Pa company that every time I call them up and say, I'm sorry I broke something. I broke it. It wasn't your fault, and I need to buy a component. They say, Sure, here, we'll just send you an entire new unit. That's the roof packs tire inflator. Can you spell that? R, O, O, F, P, A, X, tire inflator? They're really good. So it's a set it and forget it, Tire Inflator that runs on battery. It's a rechargeable battery, or by way of your cigarette lighter adapter in a car or by way of two prong plugin, but set it and forget it. I really like it, and they're the ones that were just like, here I have another one. Whereas, you know, Alpine star was like, Screw you. We'll take more money go get some more boots. Next up for bid on the opening batch of corrections and website updates, I'm gonna try to calm my wording for this. I've updated the buy GPX buttons on the website so that you are presented with a message. Now in my notes here, it's called a Don't be stupid message about what a GPX file is. So when you make a GPX download purchase on the website for one of our maps, it literally says, Hey, know what you're buying, and then gives you a brief description of what you're about to buy, and that it's not a beautiful map brochure of something we did. It is a GPX file. It is a series of coordinates in a basically an XML style format that you can plug into a variety of different applications and use to make your journey more digitally enhanced. And the last opening banner corrections. The website update. I'm going to be updating our tour difficulties. I actually put it that I've updated our tour difficulties, but I did not update our tour difficulty. The Lake Michigan circle tour is a level two tour, the Texas Hill Country tour is a level three tour. The Wisco disco extravaganza is a level four tour. Would you agree? Brian, yeah, I think so. The New Mexico Truth or Consequences tour is a level four option five tour. We'll be writing a level five route, and at the beginning of the level five difficulty. Can I get six? No, can

Brian Wringer: I can do I hear six? Can I get six? This

Robin Dean: is not an auction. Who's gonna give me six? Six

Brian Wringer: helmets? Come on. Come on.

Robin Dean: So four. It's

Brian Wringer: four out of five helmets. Okay? With an option for five or something? Yeah, I'm

Robin Dean: gonna come up with a way that the five will be blinking. And then, of course, trip sevens is a level five tour on on the downbeat. Now we are missing a member of this chat. I'm going to bring them in here in a moment before we get Neil in here, we got to get Travis. Travis, where the hell are you?

Brian Wringer: Oh, Travis travitron,

Robin Dean: this was your idea. I don't even like podcasts. The fuck get your green haired ass in here. I've been to several trek days. You went to your first trek day? I did. Let's bring in another person who has been to several track days, Neil Sullivan, longtime friend of both of us who's been to a many rally, just so you know, you've been introduced as tro cult member, Neil Sullivan cults member, was it? That's you. I'll take it you, and I've been to what, four or five track days together, gingerman, at least twice, maybe three times.

Neil Sullivan: Yeah, I did my first one. That was why I met you, and that was 10 years ago. I just looked at the date. It was August 11, 2014,

Robin Dean: we've known each other quite some time.

Brian Wringer: Dang, am I mistaken? Is was this Travis's first track? Day two? Or this

Robin Dean: was Travis's very first track? It was a birthday gift from his wife, Laurel. And. Of she made it happen for him. So, yeah, happy birthday, Travis.

Brian Wringer: I could be there for it. Yeah, it was an overwhelming experience in a lot of ways, but a hell of a lot of fun. One of the points is, I've spent a shitload of money, or at least what I what looks to me like a lot of money on on leathers and boots and preparing and, you know, and all this stuff. And now I've got all this sunk cost I gotta make, you know, I gotta make use of it now. So the only financially correct decision to do is to to make is to go to more track days. I've made a lot of investments. So the only responsible thing to do

Neil Sullivan: that's just logical there, that's makes all the sense in the world. It's

Brian Wringer: good to know I've got a support system here. There's a quote from Peter Egan who wrote about motorcycling. He also wrote about cars and crap like that, sometimes too. But it said racing, and we're going to say track days, but makes heroin addiction look like a vague wish for something salty. Doing this can can get really, really addictive.

Robin Dean: Travis isn't here yet, so I'll speak for him when I remember the first thing he said he got when nobody else was there at the park. Everybody had gone and we had the garbage to take away. It was quiet and peaceful. You can smell the late summer breeze. It was just super chill. Get into the truck. Door slams very first words. He says, this is a problem. Like, what the track date? Yeah, no, that this is, this is this is this is bad. This is a, this is a problem. He's newly inspired to take a junk bike he has in his garage that it's refurbished and running. It just needs paint and kind of dinged a little bit. He's now heard the big shouting through his phone of track that thing, lose the headlight, prep it, run it on the racetrack. You're gold. It's done. And now he's actually thinking about it nice.

Neil Sullivan: That's a nice strategy there.

Robin Dean: It just fell into place for him. This podcast episode was brought to you by Travis burleson's mouth. Right after that, Brian was like, Hey, I'm feeling pretty hyped up about the track date. We should do that. Neil, are you free? Hell yeah. Let's do this. Where is Travis now? But I will tell you that all day at work, the day after all I was receiving was video messages from him. So I've been looking at leathers. He's on the shopping cart.

Brian Wringer: Yeah, it's pretty, yeah, it was pretty amazing. I'll start at the beginning. When I got there, it's just, it's just chaos, everybody doing everything all at once. No idea what's going on, where to go. There's no signs. I don't know if that could have been better, or if I was just like, What the hell you know, I should have just relaxed and just asked somebody what was going on. We're gonna camp. But there's nobody, like, who's interested in talking about camping, like, where do we go? Who do we pay? Nothing.

Robin Dean: We got over that pretty quick. Something happens when Neil and I have run into this before, when you got two people who are experienced with a particular situation, who have different takes on it, different approaches, and then they're trying to coordinate those things, and the cogs don't quite line up, and you're just like, Well, okay, now, if it were the two of us, it would have been we would have gotten through it right, but with both you and Travis in the mix, everybody was taking deep breaths and then typing their response to something in the Google Doc. So it was every just like, I'll bring it cooler, nice to the tent. I'll bring sleep. I forgot camp, yeah, I have a truck. Well, I have a truck. I have a truck. I've drunk. We're all gonna bring our tools. Everybody had everything all at once. Oh, yeah, now I will say we got lucky. Neil brought just the perfect amount of water, yeah, like, exactly the right bottle count.

Neil Sullivan: It's funny that you say that because I was a hero at the last track day I did for bringing water. So apparently, anybody wants to score points in a track day, bring a lot of you know, go to Walmart, get yourself a big thing of 48 bottles of

Robin Dean: water, yeah, just get a pallet. Throw the back of the truck. Yeah, you're off to the races.

Brian Wringer: I had every intention of hitting Costco for 48 pack of water, and just kind of forgot all about it. I brought, like, all the tools, like, major like, I brought an angle grinder. Why did I bring an angle grinder? Like, if, if something goes that shit shaped that you need an angle grinder. You're not going back on the track, you know, it's going to be a while. Why did I bring that? So, yeah,

Robin Dean: I brought a Nomar. I also had a grinder. Everything that we bring with us to travel, it was all in the truck. You brought a grinder too, right? Well, I, like I said, Everybody went blah blah blah blah blah, deep breath, blah blah blah blah blah. It was like, I don't know who's bringing what? The thing that I was surprised that we did not have on arrival and I had to steal from Mr. Herrheim beer. I walked to his trailer. Walked through his posse, went into his stash, looked at his son, Michael, Hey, how's it going? Grabbed a bunch of beers at his fridge, and just started talking and drinking right to it.

Brian Wringer: I brought a spare set of tires, just because I had them. Like, we caught a really good deal on those Pirellis, and I just ordered another set. Like, ah, throw it in. I've got, I've got a minivan. What's the consensus? I think the tires did great. They looked all nice and crispy and shagged and everything. But yeah, I had absolutely no no worries about the tires all day. Did you have any tarballs on them? Some rubber fry balls on there? Oh, yeah, I got some good crispy close ups I can send you. That tells you you had a good time. You've gotten tires fried pretty good in Missouri and new North Carolina and stuff. But yeah, all all day on a track will give you a higher level of crispy we set up a Google doc where everybody was going, and we use that to kind of coordinate that immediately became diarrhea of the typing. Oh, yeah,

Robin Dean: there's tons. I couldn't stop it. I was just like, Okay, I'm gonna create my own little cul de sac here of basic information, little things I might have forgot, like, beer, yeah, the

Neil Sullivan: one thing everybody always forgets is just having a garbage bag. And that's, yeah, that was another thing I try to remember. Everybody remembers to bring the tent, or whatever, the canopy that you can hang out under the pop ups. And when you have to strap your kickstand up, you gotta bring something to keep your bike upright.

Robin Dean: I do remember that like that was a foggy morning. We're like, let's camp. And I'm thinking, it's gonna get down. It was 46 in the morning when I when I started moving around four, six, that was the deal. Like I looked at the temperatures, you know, on the weather forecast at TRL, which is a ride weather forecast, meaning daylight hours. I know because I built it from the ground up myself. It said 58 degrees. I'm like, that's fine, though I can handle that. 58 degrees during the day, and then overnight, it got down to 40 what? And I got up in the middle of the night, I think twice. Would not recommend it as a pastime, not a hobby worth doing. So when I got up in the morning, I saw Brian wearing like a shawl, and I looked over at Neil, and he's just, Neil's just got that, like that smile of tolerating

Brian Wringer: this is fine.

Robin Dean: That morning started rough for all of us. I

Neil Sullivan: was trying to get the caffeine level up.

Robin Dean: Yeah, for things

Brian Wringer: like this, where you're going to have a really challenging day, you got to stick to your normal food and your normal routine as much as you can, you know. So Robin had his hot coffee, you know. And I had my, I had my iced coffee. Neil had whatever gas station abomination, knee drinks,

Robin Dean: uh, forget, what a jolt. Some sort of, some sort of can of whoop ass. I don't know what it is. I threw three packets of instant coffee into one of my camp mugs and then slammed that at any rate, this is about a track day. We made it through that morning. I did receive word from Travis in Travis's own inspiring words, I'll fucking be there when I can poor guy, thinking of you. Travitron,

Brian Wringer: so I had a new set of leathers, new boots. Had never worn them before, like, I tried them on in a living room, and show up and I'm gonna go ride motorcycles fast with this on. So fortunately, that worked out. It's a good thing there wasn't like, some sort of, like, pinchy, horrible, whatever. And overall, I had to say, like moto vid did a amazing job of feeding just enough information to keep everybody from overloading. You know, here's what we expect on the track and things like that. And also go back the night before we did the track walk with some like, surfer track rat racer dude. I forget his name, but he was awesome. Was he generally a cool guy? He was, like, awesome dude. Like, was

Robin Dean: he kind and polite? There you go. He's

Brian Wringer: very kind, very polite. You know, showed us where the line is and explained a lot. Showed us a lot of visual reference points. You know, it had us do stuff like turn around and look back and see why we just did what we did, that kind of thing. It was extremely valuable. I mean, I know, you know, but you know, Blackhawk farms pretty well already, but it was pretty valuable to do that. So that helped a lot. But, yeah, they started out with a training session in the morning where they kind of explain what's expected of you. No passing blah, blah, blah. And everybody got a cute little pony to unicorn to put on their stickers so they know you went through the class. Yeah,

Neil Sullivan: of course, the four of us proudly kept it on our dash the whole day. You know, I'm sure most everybody else got rid of that thing immediately.

Brian Wringer: Oh, no, no, no. I kept my unicorn. My unicorn was the sexiest unicorn. That was awkward. That was awkward because it was a little awkward. Yeah,

Neil Sullivan: he was certainly the hairiest. Whoa,

Brian Wringer: next level. Neil, there you go. The second session, we were allowed to pass on the on the back straight, or after turn six, whatever you want to call it. What was fun about that was, I wasn't sure, like they said, I thought we had to wait till the second lap. And so we go around turn six, and then Neil comes motor and pass. I'm like, Oh,

Robin Dean: I guess it's time to pass. Now. Two laps got us through the hot pit. And then, after we did that twice, we were good. But then at the third session was when there's, we'll go around one more time, and then everybody can go ahead and start passing and rock

Brian Wringer: and roll. Yeah, that was fun. Take away your mirrors. And, you know, street writers are confused. And I know I was for a while, just the way all these, you know, zip tying, your kickstand, all this stuff just takes away every distraction. The lights are taped. It takes away absolutely everything that's not necessary. And I, I started to kind of figure that out. The biggest change was learning to cross the street. You know, I can just go from left to right, and that's okay. That's what we're all doing here.

Robin Dean: That was a mental leap. Yeah, it's yours. They do want you to be smooth and predictable. That's kind of the game is, if you're coming in at novice, which we all were hanging out for, it's really a great opportunity. There's no group that you can get assigned to that won't come with one speed and two, an excellent opportunity to smooth your methods. I mean, I had my own trick up my sleeve, which I'll get to in a moment, if you guys are open to hear about it. But the idea being that your real estate is everything ahead of you, unless you're in a main straight and you're being considerate enough to let anybody buy the straight isn't your opportunity to catch up. It's your opportunity to chill out and let everybody get by that you might be bottlenecking. But other than that, when you enter a corner that is your corner, it's yours. No passing on the inside, no passing on the outside. And when you make signals that you're leaving the track, there's no super tight formations happening. Now, what I was saying before that, no matter which group you get assigned to. You just sign up if there's no spaces in orange, green or some other color that's not been invented yet. If you end up in novice, as we did, we had a blast. I'll tell you. What I did was everybody thinks they're fast. Everybody so nobody gets into slow line. Great. Good for you. You're all fast. Look at that. This massive line of people. There are two lines at the gate, the I need training, and I'm timid lane, and the I'm feeling spirited, and I know what I'm doing lane. And it seemed like the I'm timid Lane was always just this void of opportunity. Yeah, I just went right up in there. Didn't care. I would line up in there. I would do a single half lap hot pit, and then I owned the entire track. Half lap hot pit, nobody. It was golden. There was, there was nobody to say, hey, you might want to work on this. Might want to work on that. I was too busy being like. I came here to ride and I did that. Was fun. Yeah, yeah. That novice

Neil Sullivan: group, we were lucky. I mean, I've been in some novice groups that are way too crowded, or you've got some meatheads that are doing all kinds of awful, unsafe passing. There was, like, a little group of people that were slow, and they were the most polite people. They kind of hung together, and then there was a handful of people that were very fast, and then, you know, everybody else was sort of in between, and we had so much space to work with, it turned out to be probably the best track day I've ever had. And really, you could ride your own ride, whatever it was, and be happy out there and safe. It's really important

Robin Dean: to me that you had a good time. That was really great to hear. They were grateful that we were there, the fact that Neil's been to several of these and eyeballed this one as, no, this is, this is great matters. So very cool. Yeah, it was cool. I

Neil Sullivan: mean, we lucked out with the weather. We lucked out with our group, you know, being so lovely, having so much space, and then a pretty good crew. There was only a couple people that were, you know, the slow in the curves and fast in the straights. Couple

Robin Dean: of them. They did two, yeah, two guys. But other than that,

Neil Sullivan: nothing to complain about. And the control riders were outstanding. Yeah,

Robin Dean: shout out the ones. I do remember specifically, I know her. Heim was there. Jason Harriman has been on the show several times. Shout out to Jason Homer, great guy. Fun to chase around. Great to manipulate. If you get up close to him and he can't see who's behind him, and you can just push him faster and faster till he realizes his line's gone. And then he's like, What did you do? You know that's always. On Dan, and I can't pronounce his last name very well.

Brian Wringer: I don't remember his last name, but yeah, I know you're talking about shout out to badass

Robin Dean: Dan and Jen, his lovely wife, who I hadn't seen in a long time. Know her through vintage motorcycle stuff in the past. I wanted to bring up, Brian, you've got this thing in here, in the in the outline, this magazine cycle world article, night from 99 what inspired you to paste that in there?

Brian Wringer: It's an article from Peter Egan about getting track time, doing track days. And remember, this was 1999 one of the things we talked about with the herheyim a little bit was it used to be there were no such thing as a track day. You could show up and race in the novice class. It was just racing, and you had to go out there, and you had to you had to figure it out. Track days didn't used to be a thing, and there was so much less training back in the 90s and so forth. So that article is it's an old cycle world article Peter Egan and talks about getting ready and doing a track day and getting into it again without the pressure of racing. Track days have made the world a better place. They just have, yeah, just a great opportunity, you know, like there was a guy on a Triumph Bonneville, uh, Chris. He owns a dealership or something. I don't remember MCC. I think his daughter works for MCC. MCC guy, yeah, so he shows up on a, on a Chrome, you know, on a on a Triumph Bonneville with a bunch of Chrome, and he's out there hauling around and having a good time with everybody else. That's what's cool about it. You know, you see a variety of machines. Most of the machines, I really could not tell apart, because a lot of the track dedicated bikes people have are just like, beat up and, you know, they've got, like, plastic fairings, and they're painted with house paint, and they go ride, you know, they don't care. And

Robin Dean: he had this lovely, Chrome, shining, elegant bit of a pig that's a heavy bike, but ready to go on the track bike. And he was elegant, by the way. Shout out to motorcycle center. That's MCC. Motorcycle Center is a great dealership. They're renowned. They're well known. He and his daughter were there for the entire duration at MCC at 443 East st, Charles road B in Villa Park, Illinois, 601, 81 and be sure to check out their website. They were really cool, very personable, good time. It was funny to me. I didn't know he was an ex racer. We were discussing chin over wrist writing, the different terms, you know, kiss the mirror, chin over wrist angle in, you know, all these different everybody says something different. It's like so same curriculums bleeding on top of each other so that nobody understands what the other person is talking about. Funny to find out that, oh, wait, he knew all of that and was already coaching his daughter about and things like that. Moving on, we were just talking about the low meat head count in the yellow group, everybody acknowledges we had a polite group. Now I will say that the most typical meathead group would be the next level up, the first level intermediate people who are ready. I'm ready. I'm pretty I'm ready. Ready. Ready is what I am there. There can be a lot more disciplining going on with that group. I know that we heard that another group was being if you hear them say, we have a mandatory meeting, something may have gone down. I highly doubt it was green. Somebody must have made a legit mistake in green, a very pronounced mistake that none of us in this room know the techniques of, right? We're not there. These three people who are talking right now aren't at that level, and I guarantee that whatever happened was something like, you know, you flinched your pinky finger and create a wind drag. And we need to talk about that, because that's unsafe when you're passing on the inside at

Brian Wringer: 95,000 miles out. Yeah, I

Neil Sullivan: don't know what happened there. Tory meeting to talk about Pinky drag, right?

Robin Dean: It's like you've got to reel that in, man, three inches of space between you and the bike next to you. Three inches make sure, man, you were down to 2.5 inches. Get something like but it brings me to what's in the outline here. Brian's got up douche bags and meatheads. What do you want to talk about?

Brian Wringer: I think we talked about this a little bit. There were, there were people who caused frustration by riding really shiny, extremely capable Italian bikes, very slowly in the corners and then very quickly in in between the corners. That was supremely annoying. And the official term we learned was, oh, we call them douchebags. Now, to be fair,

Neil Sullivan: that's the first time I've seen control riders call that out in a class. Yeah? Hello. That's got to be called out every time he

Robin Dean: called that out before they did it. Yeah, that's the best part. Like, maybe you know, they didn't understand. We've got one. Mr. Travis berleson, about the end of the room. Why?

Brian Wringer: Hello, Travis. I

Travis Burleson: have an entire half leader of giant Jones beer in this class, and I'm going to drink it. Shout

Robin Dean: out to giant Jones beer. We are looking for sponsor. We were just discussing some of the slow in the slow in the corners, fast in the streets. Gentlemen, we will pick up in a topic where you might enter more briskly after we get through this next bit. You. What were you saying? Brian,

Brian Wringer: the poor things, you know, they probably didn't really know they were douchebags, because you don't know who's behind you.

Neil Sullivan: Yeah, that's entirely possible. That's entirely possible. They have no idea how much that messes people up, like that slow entry speed into the curves, yeah, such a hot mess, especially if they speed up when you're passing them in the straights, and now you got to deal with them at the curve and they're slowing down. It's like, Oh man, this is a hot mess. We got to get around these people.

Robin Dean: Now, I did find that I was able to pass that guy. That was not a big deal. I observed him for one lap, and I was this guy really sucks, and that's okay. We're here for the same reasons. So I dropped it into third gear, screamed up to 13,000 RPMs and bailed on him. Like, goodbye. Get out of my way. It was doable.

Travis Burleson: I was talking to Jason about this too. It's just like, yeah, follow someone for a couple of corners, see how much they suck, and then just like, make sure yet you're not following them into the corner when you want to overtake right? So leave yourself enough gap so you can do that corner at your speed, so that you know they enter it, they're halfway through it, or three quarters the way through it by the time you're entering it, but then you're coming out just about the same time. So you got the you got the lead to pass, especially if you're if you're equally gunned or outgunned under throttle, that's the only way you're going to get around them.

Brian Wringer: Yeah, in a way, it was frustrating, but it's also kind of fun to figure out. You know, if you had, if you had the time, you know, they were short sessions, you had the time to figure out how to get around them. I do know there are a couple I can, I can't name them. I know what bikes they're on, but I can, I do know there are two douchebags who know their douchebags because we come out of the corner, I've got more momentum coming out of the corner, and they look over and they're twisting it, you know, and I'm outgunned being a large dude on a large bike with probably about the same amount of horsepower and 15 times the skill. There was one guy who I I really thought I was going to get, like, pulled off and lectured. Because, honestly, I passed him on the inside, on the corner we were heading into is where I finally completed the pass. Which

Travis Burleson: corner was it five? Ooh, okay. Now diving

Brian Wringer: into five, I basically waited, you know, he hit the brakes early, because, you know, he hit the brakes early, and I squirted ahead of them again. It was all well within reality and normality, you know, and all that. But I was like, I am going to get flagged and pulled over and talk to like, only if there's a control writer there to see you. I don't know.

Robin Dean: There's a possibility that a control writer may have said, No, if I'm letting that one go, they seem to see everything. This is one of those moments where even if you feel that angst about that rider who's slowing the curves and fasting the straights, and you can feel the grunt, and there You're still laughing giggly sport. I mean, you're just losing, even at the worst moments, you're just laughing your ass off. But it does bring when you pass that guy on the inside. You have a great question here too. I wonder, if we all wonder this about ourselves, was I someone's douchebag at that track day personal

Travis Burleson: I mean, was Robin Dean someone's douche almost certainly. I mean, I think you're, you know, I had to sleep in a tent with you. You're, you were my, you're, you're our douchebag, dear Robin.

Brian Wringer: It's official, right? Yeah. The one thing I really noticed, started noticing later in the day was the control writers did a really good job of seeing that sort of thing happen. And then they would go get in front of the douchebags, tap, tap, and so the douchebags following them, and then, and then, you know, then the rest of us can go do the thing. I thought that was really, it's almost like they're seeing a lot more stuff than I'm even aware of, and it was really interesting and cool, just to see how that works.

Travis Burleson: I was surprised there were so many. Like, I mean, not surprised, I guess. But yeah, there's only so many slots for each group. And you know, if there's no orange or green slots, then you got to sign up for yellow slots or whatever. But there's like, dudes in the novice on, you know, Ducati street fighters and chicks, or 1000s and,

Robin Dean: yeah, something will happen if you go to sign up and there's no space available in orange, what are you gonna do? Well, I guess I'm not going to track day, no, just go ride novice and suffer through the first two sessions. I don't know

Travis Burleson: if that was the case or if they're just, like, the more money than brains club, you know? Oh, yeah,

Robin Dean: buying this bike stipulates my skill. Yeah,

Brian Wringer: those were precisely the guys going slow, believe me, we

Neil Sullivan: also had some fast guys in our group. I don't

Travis Burleson: know if we've gotten to this point yet. So the last session, we go out, everyone's in the fast lane, and so I go, so I go in the slow lane again. It goes, like, yeah, there's one person in the slow lane, and it's this woman rider who I bumped into at the end, like, after, when we were tearing down, and she's on this, like, white little Kawasaki. And I'm like, oh, that's gotta be, like, a little ninja 400 or something like that. And, you know, we go out, we kind of, you know, do an easy lap. More of. Tires, you know, and I'm not douche bagging it down the straight on my 650 you know, I not maxing it, but it's like, I'm not passing, like, I'm not catching her. It took me, like, three laps to, like, line it up and pass her, you know, out of a corner. And I don't know if she justifted or something, but, man, she was fast. It came up later where she was, we were breaking down, and Jason was like, I think he was talking to Homer right next to us. And she came up to talk to Jason or something, and I recognized her. I was like, Hey, you were on that, that white Kawasaki 400 she's like, actually, it's a 250 that goes, You're fucking fast. And she's just like, giggled. It's like, Thanks, thanks. But she was like, she's on a she's on a ninja 250 I'm on a Honda CB 650 and she's got me, she's got me paced.

Robin Dean: She paints a really good line. Yeah. So I followed her for a quarter lap, and every single turn, the angle the cut, the turn in points, it was all butter. Quite graceful.

Brian Wringer: One of the thing, and this is my habit on the street too. But I was like, I would really concentrate on the corners. But I wasn't most of the time. I was not 100,000% on the straights. You know, I got passed quite a bit, and I passed some people, blah, blah, blah. Neil pulled off a beautiful pass on me. It was, it was, I was like, Hey, that looks like Neil, Well done, sir. Well done indeed. So I that was kind of like, I don't want to be anyone's douchebag, so I'll just if somebody wants to pin it in the straights, because that's not and I do the same thing on the street. You know, I'm not pinning it on the straights at all. I'm here to, I'm here to get some lean angle practice in you mentioned this the riding skills part, actually, riding the motorcycle around corners quickly was, was not the hard part at all. I know how to do that, and I did that. There's a lot of little things about technique that you really, you know, the track really highlights that you need. Like, one of the control riders is like, Hey, you're doing great, but, you know, pulling your toes you're getting real close to, like, banging your toes into the ground long before you need to, because your feet are all flapping around. And I'm like, Yeah, you're right.

Robin Dean: Thank you.

Neil Sullivan: I'm with you, man, that that tip spoke to me. You know, you mentioned earlier when I was following you, Brian, it was like the third session. So I saw that you had totally loosened up, and you started to get aggressive and just go after it, which I knew, like you guys were probably as far as first time track day guys, both you guys are way over qualified, you know, for a good novice group. But it was fun to watch you attack it. I don't think I ever got a chance to be behind Travis, but I got to see you, Brian, which was fun, you know, like, just totally do your thing.

Brian Wringer: Yeah, I was behind Robin for a while. At some point, I don't remember. I don't think I was in Travis's.

Travis Burleson: I passed you one session, but I think it was, like, the last lap, or like it was real close to the end by the time I, like, caught the rest of the

Robin Dean: group. Zone photo will have the previews of their images available within the week, so you'll be able to see a full preview of all images. That'll be fun.

Neil Sullivan: Yeah, I'll check that out. That toes tip spoke to me big time, because I had trouble with that. The other thing that was great was that track walk changed the way I handled the whole track because the dude told us, yeah, when you're coming in, you know, out of turn two, turn three and three A, you're going to be leaning to your right with 3b Don't lean to your left. Don't move your body over. You don't have to disrupt your bike. Just counterbalance and put lean your bike over to the left. So I, I implemented that, and holy crap, it changed the freaking track for me.

Robin Dean: Neil, there's a well known phrase about why do when you can don't.

Brian Wringer: Yes, neat because, yeah, three A and 3b You're on a motorcycle. You can, you can, it's a straight line. And the aiming point for, you know, coming out of two, the aiming point was really weird. Like, there was, like, this big skid mark from some four wheeled contraption. Anyway, there's a huge skid mark on the track. So, like, I aim for that, and it's just a straight line, even though there's a little bit of elevation change. So you can't see the you can't see the curbing on the inside of three, a or three, whatever the hell it is. So you can't really see but you can aim for this distant point, and it'll work out in a straight line and stay hanging off to the right. So you can dive into 3c or four, or whatever the hell that one is, yeah, the one with the weird surface, like, where the inside was slippery and the concrete was bumpy, yeah, that took me forever to wrap my head around, get on the line between them. That might actually be like turn four. At that point.

Neil Sullivan: There is some concrete on the inside of turn four.

Robin Dean: Yeah. That was fun. That was fun. Yeah. But if you enter that with reckless abandon, I want you to trust me, yeah, it'll be fine. It's fantastic. Oh

Travis Burleson: yeah, because, I mean, it would just kind of move around on you a little bit. It was just

Robin Dean: a little bit of front side shift, but it was like that thing where you're leaned over and all of a sudden you're you're feeling rise on the side of the bike. So that can be a little nerve wracking. But I learned a lesson from some people about how, like, you gotta accept bike chatter in both tires. And my immediate response is, no, I don't accept shit. I'm gonna slow down. Now, I

Travis Burleson: eventually found a line for that, for like, that right hand, or whatever it is, 3d because I think first left hander is four.

Brian Wringer: Yeah, yeah. Four is the left onto the bound, to that one minor straight before five, yeah,

Travis Burleson: so that where, like, you had the concrete patch in the middle, because, yeah, it's, like, it kept, I'd aim for the what the apex, or what I thought was the apex, and it would always kind of give me a little, a little wiggle, a little bump, like going in, coming out, as you kind of shift between that, like, where all the cars lay the rubber down on the asphalt and the concrete patch. And eventually I found a smooth and it like, and it dips, it's, like, cantered in a weird way, like the the grade is weird, and the curbs really steep, and you're just trying to, like, hit this V and it's and then I found, if you, if you just shoot at for it later, if you Apex it later, to like, go in on the concrete and Apex that later I got, I found a smooth line, and it was like, oh, that's smooth. That does upset my bike. I can, then I can transition to the left handers, which is like the three left handers there that you link together. You

Robin Dean: can, but 3b all the way to six is one turn. Yes, the same goes with six all the way to seven, one turn six.

Travis Burleson: Like, if you look at a drawing of the map, looks like two corners, but it's one you

Robin Dean: take a right at six, and if you're just on the gas, full hate, you will arrive at seven. All you're doing is leaning the bike up slowly. Oh,

Travis Burleson: yeah, because, yeah, because you go into six, and then there's six silo right before seven, you're upright. And then there's the big straight, but then there's the six a, like, the little kink and, yeah, but you just, but same thing, you just kind of stay on the right side of the bike and sort of stand it up. And why? Why? Why? Moot.

Robin Dean: Yeah, that's the I love. The mindfuck of a track designer is just like, okay, yeah, we're gonna discuss three A. And it's like, wait a minute, gingerman does that. There's a corner in Ginger Man. I

Brian Wringer: don't remember which turn, three, 417, but there's one that is very particular about this is the apex of the mid corner of this you know, it's like, no, this is one turn. And you start here, and you're gonna make it through the whole thing. And it's a lot of curves will do that. One thing that surprised me a little bit was that I didn't even really think about suspension all day. I was like, oh, you know, I'm gonna, you know, want to make an adjustment or think about that and so forth. I didn't really think about it once all day. The bike is what it is. You ride it, you do stuff with it. I think there was maybe one lap where I really poured it on 100% throttle, on the front straight, maybe had 120 something like that. Probably something like that. I was, yeah, I was near Red Line and four. So that would have been about 120 and the rest of the time I kind of loafed down that front straight, like, if somebody I don't want to be anybody's douchebag, so if they wanted to pass me, they were welcome to and also on the back straight on between six and seven. I don't think I really gave it full beans, like I hit the rev limiter a few times, which I'm like, Oh yeah, I forgot that was there. I didn't, you know, I didn't give it 100% speed on on that back straight, kind of the same reason. And also just because that's kind of how I do, you know, on the street, so you're not going to set a lap record. But that's not what we're there for. We're

Travis Burleson: there to learn, like, yeah, one time on the front straight, I cranked it out, got shifted to fifth before I, you know, decided to start breaking and get ready for one. You know, did, definitely did not, like, take race speed into one, or someone who has ridden this track more than just today into one, so plenty of breaking time there. And then there's like, one other time where I was like, Yeah, I'd caught up to like, a pack. And then there was, like, some slow people, like mid pack, and some fast P and it was all just a big cluster. I think I caught up to them, like around five. I saw them through four, and sort of caught up through five, and then like, backed off through six, and stayed backed off down the back straight so that I had room. Took seven, the way I would take seven, the slow people sort of filtered out, and then I just like, you know, we're like, four wide down the main street, because everyone's going for the past now, like, there's the fast people, yeah, and then there's the people with power, and then there's the people were just like, Huh? So like, I came out and I got on it, but then it's like, okay, now everyone has changed positions, and the fast people and the people with power sort of filtering. So like, Okay, I gotta pass, like, three people. Okay, now I gotta get back in line and hit one. So I was like, that was the other time I, like, really maxed out this. Freight because I didn't have a choice without getting in someone's way.

Robin Dean: Brian brings up the idea that, like an awful lot of people, aren't used to cornering hard in any context, but they did the opposite. They just reversed the process, fast gunning, slow turning. What is this about a condor clone,

Brian Wringer: the motorcycle stand from Harbor? Freight that that I used, and you used the pits, the Pittsburgh brand wheelchair that worked out, worked great. Push it in, walk away. Mine kind of slid around the Pittsburgh potty. Yeah, and Robin, thanks for helping me out with that. I, you know, with my mobility and stuff it, it was much better to have someone there to spot me and to yank it out, in and out of that thing. Glad to

Travis Burleson: and Jim once, I think the it got warm and the ground dried out from the dew. Then they started sliding around on us a little bit. I did find some. I just, they just came in the mail. I just opened them up right before I came down here, some spool adapters for the CB which, which somehow does not have bungs for spools, like, welded onto the swing arm. Just get axle bugs well. So there's a couple ones that exist. There's, um, the T Rex has ones that, like, clamp. They're made to, like, slide over the swing arm and then clamp onto the swing harm. Well, that's wild. And then there's ones. Those are the ones that I got which were just like, there's expensive ones and there's cheap ones, but they're all the same, and they're all this machine out of aluminum. So like, might as well just buy the cheap ones. And what they do is you actually, like, take the wheel off, and you thread them over your axle adjuster, the tension adjuster screw holds it in place, and it fits right in that slot. And then you lift it up. And then there's ones that replace the like, slider spacers for the axle itself. So the axle goes through them, and then they kind of like, kick back and have little spools that hang off the back. But then someone had mentioned, like, Oh, these are great for lube in your chain, but you have to. You can't use them to change the tire because the axle goes through them. That's like, oh yeah. Why would I get the host? Does seem useless. So the other ones, at least, you know, because they're they're on, they're in the channel, but they're held on with the adjuster. You can, in theory, take the wheel off still, yeah, it's

Brian Wringer: wild. They didn't build that bike with the with the threads for spools.

Travis Burleson: I'm pretty sure the CBR version of it, it has the same swing arm like and if I look at the pictures, there's no bungs there for it.

Robin Dean: Well, it was a kick ass time all in all. And I think Neil should definitely be the guy to hold the mic for a long time on this one, I'm gonna say I knew what I was getting into. I had a great time done it before, great track. Strangely enough, when I get to Blackhawk farms, I still gotta relearn it. I don't do enough track days in a given year to just, oh yeah, no, of course. It's like the guys that motivated the writers that motivated all the writers that motivated they've done every track a number of times in a given season, especially Road America and such. So I really had a great time just getting to know it again, especially among people I trust, writers that I trust, and novice writers that were dipping their toes into the whole scheme of it. I had a great time. You guys go around, speak your mind. How'd it go for you? Let's round it out and then get this thing packaged up and wrapped in a bow.

Neil Sullivan: Like I said earlier, it was my favorite track day. I've probably done seven or eight total, I think. And first of all, having a crew like you guys, that you can hang with between sessions is fun, and you get the help when you need it. Obviously, you know, that was great. And then the weather was fantastic. And I really was nervous about being in the novice group, because I thought, Oh no, is this going to be a traffic jam? Is this going to be slow? And then sometimes you get meatheads. We did not have a single meathead. If anybody was a meathead, it might have been me, because I had to pass that one, slow in the curves, fast in the straights guy.

Travis Burleson: We all had to pass him at some point. Yeah, so I mean, but we all passed him according to the rules, right? Like, sort of

Robin Dean: pretty much in the straights middle

Neil Sullivan: finger extension just past that passing zone. It was already at the point I'm like, All right, there's only one or two more sessions if I get put in jail. So be it. I gotta do this. And sure enough, he taps me, come talk to me. So I thought, all right, that's it. I guess this is my day. And he goes, Yeah, I saw you grab a lot of throttle all at once. You know, your back tire skipped a little. If you do that, it's more smoothly. You'll accelerate faster. And I'm like, Yeah, that's a great point. You know, who said that to you? The control rider with big chin beard, I

Robin Dean: think, Dan,

Neil Sullivan: in my mind, Dan saw it all and read all you were saying earlier, Robin, like they decided, yeah, that's just fine that you have to pass this guy that late.

Robin Dean: I don't like that guy either. Let him do that go ahead, exactly. I think

Neil Sullivan: he was telling me, yeah, I saw it all, you know. And he knew I puckered a little when he pulled me over after the session, but he actually had a great tip. He's right. If I could be smoother with the throttle, rather than just abruptly grab it all, I probably could have accelerated a half a second or a second faster, you know,

Brian Wringer: could have disposed of the douchebag sooner.

Neil Sullivan: I gotta say my Dunlops were fine. I was I had nothing to complain about.

Robin Dean: What are you rocking?

Neil Sullivan: I don't know what they are. They're the stock things that come with the Kawasaki versus 650 Lt. So they were Dunlop something, whatever comes with it. Yeah, they did fine. I would prefer what you guys were rocking. I love Pirelli. I find those things you

Robin Dean: know, originally Pirelli had upset me because I bought two dents of a tire for my sized bike. I bought their GT something, something when it was still, as Brian would call it, the sumo class bike tire, and it felt like I was on Flintstone wheels, like rock. They treated me horribly. So I never went back. And now with these STS, we got to stop talking about it, because we've got a source. We got to make sure that we don't lose them all. I want to buy them all. They're amazing balls. Yeah. Who's up next? I

Travis Burleson: was going to say, speaking of tires, Robin alluded that people were talking about my back, about my tires, but my tires did great. I had no qualms about the Kenda km ones they performed. I mean, I got an 80 horsepower bike with trash control. I never saw the trash control light, come on. I didn't see the ABS light, come on.

Robin Dean: I believe you. You got to look at the source. It's you riding the bike. It's Travis motherfuckin Burleson. So of course, you're gonna make the best out of any tire. It doesn't matter what the tire is.

Travis Burleson: And so far, we're looking at, like, what, like, way more miles than you got into the continental kind of sports. You're correct, granted, on a lighter bike with less power, but with the track day in there, they still look, I mean, they were all rubber bally, and I had to get that off,

Robin Dean: but they still look good. But your track day, it

Travis Burleson: was great. Like, I'm totally addicted. Like, I'm like, looking at leather suits online. It's like, well, you know, it's like, just buy one, right? Like, that's gonna save me a couple bucks. Like, if I can do chewy here, okay, let's see. Maybe I can find, like, a deals and Labor Day sales still going on. I'll look on eBay, find some used one. I got it all planned out, and I'm like, Oh, wait, I ain't got no money. I got kids. Who am I talking about? Daddy needs some leather jammies. And too, it's like, they're great. Like, again, I feel like it falls into the If I knew then what I know now. It's like, Man, I probably should just, like, when I started riding motorcycles 14 years ago, I should have bought an arrow stitch suit and a leathers race suit, and then I'd be fine. That's all I would ever need to have ever bought, you know, I, in retrospect, you know, the first session was like, Really, we're gonna do this okay? But it's like, oh, no, you know, I haven't been down this road before, right? We're just looking at it and, you know, seeing where it goes. You know, even after walking, it's, you know, it's way different on a bike, even at slow speeds. And I'd do it again. I

Robin Dean: know Neil and I knew this. We were both kind of looking at each other like, come on. Session Three, come on. Session Three, come on. We knew. We knew what a novice Okay, session one and two. Session Three.

Travis Burleson: If I came back, though, like, I think having done it before, and I would definitely do it in novice again. Now, I know how to use that time, right? So, like, going out, that's a great point. Slow is fast, yeah? One, just like, having never done the track at speed before, like, yeah, it's great to go out and look, and it's like, obviously you're like, imprinting in your brain, like, where the track just actually goes. But now, then I've ridden at speed. Now I know it's like, oh yeah, if I can ride this at 40 miles an hour safely, which you can't do when the track's like, hot. Now I know what I'm actually looking for. Like. Now I know where I'm looking at the pavement and trying to find that like, Oh no, see, this is where you'd think the line would be. But it's not because the pavements are something. Now I'm I know enough where it's like, oh, actually, doing this at 40 miles an hour is gonna be way more useful. More useful. Whereas at the time, I was like, Well, I'm trying to, like, practice my, like, looking through the corners. And when I look through the corner, I'm gonna ride over the curb and the grass and cut the corner, like, three quarters short, because I'm looking through the corner and going 40 miles. I'm looking through the corner for 80 and I'm going 40. I remember this. And then, yeah, it was just, it was so much fun. Like, I again, I, I feel like Neil has, like, warned me, Port tended me for the meatheads in the douchebags saying, like, this is the best novice group he's ever ridden in. Because, yeah, I had, you know, I had no comp. I mean, other than the one, the one guy who was easy enough to handle once you once you knew him, and you saw it and you timed it, you could just pass them, and that was fine, you know? And then there was like, one other guy who was, like, kind of slow on a multi strata,

Robin Dean: but he was consistent. He was polite and consistent.

Brian Wringer: Yeah, he wasn't a douchebag. You wait

Travis Burleson: for your moment and you pass them and you just keep going. So it was, it was so much fun, and I would do it again. It is, is we. Different. I try not to have too many expectations, so I don't know, like what I was expecting, but, you know, I wasn't kind of what I had in my mind. But it was really good, and it was really fun. It was nicely controlled. It was nicely organized. The pacing was pretty good. Like, I feel like you had just enough time to kind of socialize and hang out a little bit between sessions. We got plenty of sessions in though. I mean, I would have ridden till the sun went down if they gave me an opportunity. It'll be interesting to get back out on the street. I'm gonna talk about that. Yeah, I have a thought on that too. Yeah, I've got words and kind of see, but we'll, we'll do that now. I'm definitely doing again. I if I I want to do one a year till I can't anymore, at least, if not two or five.

Robin Dean: I love that, and we'll do this right now, real quick for y'all, I'm going to tell you, Neil knows it directly after a track day, your street riding is compromised, yes, so I took a ride two days after I rode the back quarter of the Wisco disco route from the helix, found myself a lot of patch gravel, a lot of unmistakably, I have to deal with this pavement, and it really slows your role, because you don't want to apply like that track day mentality to street riding. That's just not how it's done. I really had to dial it down and find my way back to my street writing for an entire day, for 150 miles of that's how you corner in public. That's how you corner in public. Now I'm back. Okay,

Brian Wringer: I'll do the same like I've only just errand running and stuff around town. But yeah, at first it seems like, Wow, there's so much room. I could totally pass this Mazda. Oh, yeah, no problem. You know, you got to put those thoughts out of your head and get back into survival mode.

Robin Dean: How was your track day?

Brian Wringer: It was great again. I didn't know what to expect, and I tried not to expect anything other than we're going to ride in circles for a while, which we did, and I was very happy with that. We had talked about this before, but there's a thing called beginner mind, and I was really striving to just empty out, expect do what the nice man in the yellow shirt tells me, to listen to what he says. Don't touch other people's motorcycles or other people with your motorcycle. That was one of his rules. It's almost like the writing part was on autopilot. You know, I know how to ride. Uh, absorbing all the rest was really difficult. Remembering what to do when you saw the checkered flag here, but not here the second last session, uh, something like that. I was the first time I had seen them waving the checkered flag at the on the front straight. And so I could not remember if you, if you do the rest of the lap on the right side with your hand in the air, like you just don't care, or if you just keep going. And Jason immediately knew it was up. He went whip right around me, and he tapped and later on, he's like, yeah, that just tells you it's coming. You keep going, have fun until you get to the back checkered flag, you know, just details like that, just this new environment, all the details are really difficult. To keep it all in one place, the overall pace of how they kind of ladle, they spoon fed you information. Well, that's

Travis Burleson: why you got the prettiest unicorn sticker. And they know you did the class

Brian Wringer: lavish must be, uh, lava corn, yeah, it's like a Taylor Swift unicorn. I mean, anyway, she's got a place of honor. My girl was the first

Robin Dean: thing I saw when you showed that. I was like, I'd smash that.

Brian Wringer: But they spoon fed you information at a pace that took all my attention. Anyway, I don't about you guys.

Travis Burleson: Yeah, it's definitely a little bit of drinking from the fire hose. Robin's

Brian Wringer: back there, bored, but, you know, whatever. But the

Travis Burleson: Yeah, he's done it before.

Robin Dean: I had a great time.

Travis Burleson: The last session, I had a little bit of, like, executive dysfunction, where I'm like, okay, like, you know, like the especially, like the first like, maybe, like, the third session, fourth session, like, when they kind of cut you loose a little bit, it was just like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. But like, after that, I was like, Okay, wait, no, I need to, like, use this time productively, pick a thing to focus on, and, like, build a skill and do that. And, like, by the last session, I was like, What is the thing? What is it like, I'm on my warm up lap, and I'm like, When am I doing this lap? What is my goal? Like, what is my one thing? Because, like, I can just go fast, but it's like, then I'm just gonna kind of fuck up and fudge every corner and let me find but like, now I want to have, like, a goal. I want to accomplish something. And that was, like, really hard, because you can't do it all. It's like, even on a small track like that, there's so much to learn.

Robin Dean: That's an interesting comment. I want to conclude it there. But at the same time, my goal was to lower the number of curves in the track. Each session, for me was reducing the number of turns. Once I do that, feeling confident in every line point and turn in acceleration point, there's

Travis Burleson: turn one, turn two is basically a kink. So that doesn't count. There's the whole turn three complex. There's turns four and five. There's six, there's seven, not in my world. Four to five are, are like one, yes, yeah, four and five for one, that's what I said. So there's turn one, the turn three, complex, 456, and seven. So, right hander, right hander, left, right hander, right hander,

Robin Dean: okay, I hear you. Mind this. I'm gonna say that there's turn one, there's turn two. Turn three goes all the way to 3b. If you do it right, turn four goes all the way to six, yeah. And then turn six goes all the way to seven.

Travis Burleson: Are you like linking six, six silos, six, a and seven into one turn six,

Robin Dean: all the way to seven is one turn because it's six, I'm punching it full tilt, grinding through that full force all the way to the turn in itself. And by the time I realized all of that, that's when the bike wouldn't start. That's true.

Travis Burleson: My goal last session was just to have loose hands, to not tense up at any point. And I did really good, until I hit traffic and had to figure out how to fucking pass someone. And then I would tent up again, and then I'd be like, Oh, fucking relax, you idiot. And then I would relax a little bit. And then I caught some people, and I had to pass them, and I tensed up, and then I relaxed again. But, but the two, the reason I was catching people is because I was relaxed. I think I was going faster, even though I was trying less hard, sitting

Brian Wringer: on a bar stool, type in an email. Can't type an email if you're leaning on the keyboard. Yeah. One of the thoughts I wrote down, I think this was the right attitude, and I hope it was, was I was focused on doing everything correctly and not worrying about the speed. I sold it to my wife as a training day, and that's, you know, that's how you go. It is, I'd

Travis Burleson: recommend it to anyone

Robin Dean: you sure are doing a lot of training days this year. Yeah,

Brian Wringer: I'm so stupid. I need so straight. What

Travis Burleson: did the track walk? The track walk guy said, when he was a racer, he owed Michelin $24,000 since here's the end of the season, yeah,

Brian Wringer: he had to pay off Michelin $24,000 in one winner. Geez. Yeah, the guy was nuts. The biggest leap of faith in the whole thing was heading into turn one. Because you're at the end of a big straight and you're going all the way from the left to all the way to the right, and hopefully everybody behind you has got their poop in a group. Yeah, I get that. But on you 115 miles now down to 15 miles an hour, whatever you want to take that corner at all about the flag booth. Yeah, I knew I had my shit together, but I knew there was a bunch of people coming behind me who didn't know how to, oh, yeah, anything but yanked the wires and so that was a little nerve wracking. Every time you dove in, every time you dive right into turn one, it was, it was on my mind. We gotta wrap this up. Anything else anybody wants to say real quick? I

Travis Burleson: just like, did we talk about the guy who blew turn one into the grass the last session of the day. We don't

Robin Dean: need to, because I got a video of Neil making a gorgeous turn and then slowly, cinematically panned to that guy sitting in the grass. Neil has just owned the turn. It was a thing of beauty, and is going not the way that guy went. And I wanted to make sure the guys. And he looked up and he saw me with the camera,

Neil Sullivan: that was one of the douchebags. And the funny thing he passed me after turn six, just past the silo. And I was like, Oh, crap, is that one of the douche bags? And when he made it down to turn seven, he nailed it. I was like, Wait, maybe that's not the douchebag. And then when he hit turn one and actually didn't turn I was like, Oh, that was the douchebag.

Travis Burleson: He didn't listen everyone. Everyone said, last session. Dial it back. 10% dial it back. Last session. You're tired, it's hot, it's a long day. He didn't listen. Didn't listen to a lot of things.

Brian Wringer: Is that a douchebag? No, yes, no, no. Oh,

Travis Burleson: we have the grass here. So

Brian Wringer: we have douchebag.

Neil Sullivan: He had his high moment and his low moment within one minute of each other because he nailed seven.

Robin Dean: Well, maybe he's not a douchebag. Maybe he's narcoleptic. At any rate, everybody good. Rock out.

Travis Burleson: Sure I did finish my half liter high proof beer, Brian,

Robin Dean: you wanna take us out of here?