Robin: Hey everybody, this is Robin Dean.

Travis: And I'm Travis Burleson.

Robin: And this is the Writing Obsession podcast. Today we'll be talking about the possibility of an electric Suzuki GSX-R. Fighting automotive software hackers and how to test whether or not that road is passable in your maps data file. This month's episode of the Writing Obsession podcast is sponsored by whatever brand of beer Mike Dunn left in my refrigerator last month that's still sitting there.

Travis: Whatever brand of beer Mike Dunn left in Rob's refrigerator last month is still sitting there. It's drinkable and shhh.

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Robin: And for the first time I get to say this first. What is new with you, my man? Besides the fact that you can smile again.

Travis: I kind of smile, yes. I have some movement left on the left side of my face. I bought, I don't think we talked about this because it's been a while since we've done a podcast. I bought a Honda NC 700 X.

Robin: Brand new bike. Well, I mean, what year is it?

Travis: It's a 2014, but it was it was new on the showroom. So they had been sitting on it for three years. So I got it for a song. 4350 I think was what I talked him down to. So it's about five grand once you pay all this dealership, you know, set up and fees and stuff like that. I still have not gotten my license plate for it. That was June 2nd. Where did you get yours? Mad City Powersports. So I've not gotten my license plate yet. According to the Wisconsin Department of Motor Vehicles site, they should be processing that this week. So if you go to their site, it says we're currently processing new license plate applications from date. And they just got to the first week of June this week. So hopefully that'll come in the mail soon. I'll have a proper license plate on it. Where was I going with this? Oh, yes, I did. I got the black. I wanted the red, but they wouldn't give me the deal on the red because that even though it was also a 2014, it hadn't actually been in their inventory that long. Only the black one had been on their floor that long. So I put some high-vis stickers on it to kind of break up the break up the black on black with some black and some black. Well, some of it's flat and some of it's not and some of it's like kind of textured and some of it's not. So, yeah, I did some of that. I put a Seat Concepts seat on it, which I did do a video of, which I need to edit at some point and get on the site. So Seat Concepts does mostly adventure dual sport bike seat solutions, but they're a great company and what they'll sell you is new foam and a cover and you install it yourself. So you take your seat off, you rip your old cover and foam off, reuse your seat pan. And then you can do it with just, I just got a Harbor Freight air stapler, which you can get for like 25-30 bucks and it seemed to work great and you do it yourself. So it's a really good alternative to some of the other custom seat companies out there where you pay three, four, five hundred dollars for a seat. These usually run about 150 bucks for the seat and the foam and you do it yourself and it's great. It gets rid of the scoop in the seat that makes you slide against the tank though when you're riding. So it really leveled it out and so far I'm really happy with it.

Robin: Nice. And so you're comfortable overall now.

Travis: Yeah, I mean actually the stock seat wasn't bad, but it did have that like that scoop in it, you know, where you always slide forward up to the tank, like you're always humping the tank. Yeah, and so you can scoop back but then you kind of, you know, slip forward again and with this it's a lot more flat and it's a grippier material. So it prevents that.

Robin: You know, if you only, if you don't shape the seat for a Triumph Street Triple R like a U, you're not going to be able to solve that problem no matter what because it doesn't matter what gear you're in, if you give it a little bit of throttle you're gonna end up on the passenger seat and then when you roll off the throttle you end up slamming everything that you care about right into the tank. Repeat that over and over.

Travis: Yeah, I mean there are bikes too, yeah, that you need that locked in but this is not one of those bikes. So, but yeah, so far it's good. It's just just enough power for me. I can keep up with you on the Bandit unless it's a straightaway and you want to go extra legal speeds. But it's really fun to throw around the corners, super low center of gravity. It's got a frunk and then I put the GV rack on the back to put my GV top case on. So I got whatever five gallon frunk on it and a 35 liter top case on the back. I can pretty much carry whatever I want. Put the Honda center stand on it. And then I also got an eBay screen extender like for like 15 bucks. That thing looks pretty cool. Clamps on. It seems to work. I've only tested it slightly. Seems to work okay. I'm gonna be doing a trip this evening down to Monroe for Madvin Moto Garage Night. A guy who's on the list down in Monroe is hosting and so that'll be a longer highway trip because I haven't been using it usually when I'm riding and going fast on the back road. So this will be a longer highway trip. Good excuse to test that screen out.

Robin: Yeah, ever since I got the trailer you and I haven't done a long trip that took us to one of the rallies. Everywhere we've been on it, it's been twisty, twisty, twisty.

Travis: Yeah, exactly. It's like either up here we're doing twisties out testing that Madison the Basketball Run or we trailer down to Brown County. Yeah, and we're down there. It's all all twisty, twisty, twisty. So not not needed. And also I'm getting rid of the CB1000. Getting rid of the big one. I'm gonna try and get a little ride up on that bike because it's a great cool bike. But the the NC700 really splits the difference between the big one and the DRZ. So I'm getting rid of the DRZ too. So it's smaller. It's lighter. It's like pseudo adventure-y. So you could do gravel roads on it with no problem, which is really the thing with the DRZ. There's just no dirt around Madison. There's surprisingly little dirt in southern Wisconsin unless you have private land to go run on.

Robin: Yeah, having ridden that bike myself just to see what it was like. I couldn't believe the lowest center of gravity was just it was like riding on a top or like one of those one of those like those those toys that drinks water and repeatedly like pops back up. I forget what they're called. But it just did everything you wanted to. You could just juggle that bike. No sweat.

Travis: Yeah, so I'm really I'm really pleased with the NC700. I do wish two things that they sold the S model here maybe I might like that a lot better. But the X has a couple like an inch and a half more suspension. But I'm not a big fan of the beak, but I don't have to look at it when I'm riding it. And everywhere else in the world including Canada, it's a 750. You get like you get 50 more cc's out of it. I'm in like five more horsepower, I think. So that would be nice to have that little bit more power on it. But I talked to a guy at the IMS in Chicago this spring about that. And he had said that there's a higher tariff in the United States. They're importing a motorcycle that's over 700 cc's.

Robin: So right up to the line and they're just like, okay, there you go.

Travis: Yeah. Well, it's like 670 I think is the actual displacement in that Honda. Like we call it this what it's actually 30 cc's smaller. Yeah, Honda's good at that. But then so I got the big one the DRZ up for sale. I got them on all. I got them on ADV Rider and Craigslist and Cycletrader and Facebook and all those things.

Robin: We should promote that though. Hold on there. If you out there, if any of our listenership out there, if you write an article as a guest author for TheRidingObsession.com, you could earn the opportunity to buy that bike at the very same price. That's the exact same price that you would get it if you didn't write an article for TheRidingObsession.com. So think about that, huh?

Travis: Yeah, but you might get like some money back on depending on how click worthy your article is. You get a lot of clicks on that article and earn a little money back.

Robin: It's all about the commissions.

Travis: I just want to say something to kind of everyone. If there's something on for sale, a bike or whatever on Craigslist or Cycletrader or wherever, Facebook, don't contact the person selling it and then ask if they'll sell it to you for half of what you're asking for it. Don't be that guy. That's a dick move.

Robin: Did this happen to you?

Travis: Yeah, it's happened to me a couple of times where it's like I'm selling and every week I've cut like about a hundred bucks off the price of each of them until I hit my bottom basement. Now that's been a couple of months I've been trying to sell them. So now I'm like at the bottom basement price. So I'm selling the big one for $18, which is a fair price. Yeah, that's it and that's the lowest I'd let it go for. I originally had it listed for like $21,000 I think or $2,000. And someone's like, will you take $1,000?

Robin: But so it's like some, they're like watching too much American Pickers. There's like some grifter calling up. He's like, look, we both know, we both know you're desperate. All right, you can admit it to me. All right, I'll take that bike off your hands. You won't have any more problems. 500 bucks.

Travis: Yeah, it's no.

Robin: No, that will not happen.

Travis: Yeah, yeah. And I had a couple of times where the same thing, the DRZ. Right now my DRZ is the cheapest DRZ for sale in Southern Wisconsin.

Robin: That's a beautiful bike.

Travis: And it's a good bike. And people are like, oh, what about, I think I'm down to $28,000, which again is the lowest I'll sell it for. It's an excellent price. Yeah. I mean, I bought it, I bought it last year for $3,000 and it's better now than when I put hardly any miles on it. And it was beat up and needed some love when I got it. And now it's got new chain, new sprockets, new chain rollers, new chain guards. Car's been retuned. It's been cleaned up. Suspension has been adjusted.

Robin: You did the trash can mod.

Travis: Yeah, which just pops on and off though with the windscreen. So it's got, it's better now than it was when I bought it. It's got 2,000 more miles on it and I'm selling it for less than I bought it for. So don't, don't call me and be like, Hey, I know you're asking like three grand for this, but will you take, uh, we take 1200? No, no, I will not take a third of what I'm asking for it.

Robin: Craigslist. Bye. So let's up the ante here to our listeners out there. If you, if you write an article for thewritingofsession.com, not only could you buy the CB 1000, AKA the big one by Honda, you could also buy the Suzuki DRZ, both of them at the exact same price that you would buy them for. If you didn't write an article for thewritingofsession.com, we'll put that, that's, those are both on the table there. I said that this is happening. Okay. Yeah.

Travis: And you know what? I'll, I'll, I'll double up the ante here. If you come and buy them, I'll give you a beer.

Robin: Whoa.

Travis: Wow. Wow. You can't, you can't beat that.

Robin: Yeah. Especially the kids like, you know, 16 years old.

Travis: Yeah. Well the DRZ, um, and don't forget that the DRZ will make you a bad person.

Robin: Yeah. It'll turn you into a bad rider. You a bad person. Not a bad rider.

Travis: Yeah. It'll make you a better rider and a bad person. Like curbs, curbs will no longer deter you from going anywhere. You will just drive through and over parking lots, yards, small patches, yeah, whatever you want. You can go over it through it with the DRZ and it's like, it's not even there. I look for curbs. I can hop on the DRZ. I took it out the other day just to, uh, to run some errands and run it for a minute. Um, and I'm just like, I'm going to go this way through the parking lot instead of go on the road and go like around this plaza because I can. And so you just go for like four or five curbs through the mall parking lot because you can. Then you don't even, it's like, they're not even there. It's awesome. So what about you, Robin? What is going on in your world of motorcycling awesomeness?

Robin: Motorcycle, bicycle, my motor, motor, bicycling, motor, motor, bicycling life. Um, the most responsible thing I can start with is I've been working hard to organize and polish our upcoming long distance guided tours. The site now offers guided motorcycle tours. Now, some of them are a long distance motorcycle vacations. Uh, we have day trips. We've got a couple of weekend getaways. I think I'm actually going to, uh, stash the day trips away and prioritize these big trips because I really need to get enough signups for our, uh, first week of October tour, which covers America's new heartland, the short of it is that seven people get to ride across seven States in seven days. All of it is a twisty good time with beautiful scenery and accommodations. Southern Indiana blends into Kentucky before picking up the Blue Ridge Parkway. Uh, we might do Deals Gap, AKA the Tail of the Dragon. I probably won't do that, but I'll give people the option to go that way. Uh, upon completing the BRP, the Blue Ridge Parkway, we follow SR 47 up to the start of the Triple Nickel, Ohio's 555, Travis and I have written that. There's a video of that out there. And then we'll be running this tour come fall, starting on September 30th and ending in October 8th. We'll probably do like a bonus podcast just to discuss that planning process and chat it up, you know? Um, and then, uh, you know, back to the dirty side of my garage, I got my bandit rims back. There was one that was bent for a while there. So baby's got new shoes. And I also had a bit of a tread remaining on my previous PR2s, my Michelin Pilot Road 2. So I threw them on the alternate set of wheels for a quick swap when I wanted it. Um, made certain to remedy the backfire on my Hawk GT. Don't worry. It came back almost immediately after it. Uh, so the backfire is still there. Also made mistakenly sure to trust the markings on my bandit's swing arm with reference to change adjustment. When you're adjusting your chain, don't ever do that. Use a tool or eyeball the teeth of the rear sprocket while you spin it and make sure they remain center as the chain kind of rolls by.

Travis: Yeah. I always use a, um, I always use a, some sort of measuring device, a little ruler, um, and just make sure the axle is the same distance from the end of the swing arm on mine. Um, but yeah, yeah, you'd mentioned that. And here's the thing is like, so I'd like, I just did a chain adjustment on the, on the DRZ.

Robin: Yeah, I see this going.

Travis: Um, and like dirt bikes, like the DRZ have a, have that tooth cam on the axle. Uh, you know, like a swoopy teardrop kind of shape. Um, and it's got like little notches on it that fit into a pin that's on the swing arm and it's numbered and you just make sure it's locked in on the same number on both sides.

Robin: See, that'd be great.

Travis: Right. So it's like they put that on dirt bikes to make sure you can put the wheel back on nice and easy and it's the same distance on either side and it's locked.

Robin: Yeah. I don't have this option. I have to, I have to undo the lug that holds the rear sprocket on completely. Knock the sprocket left to get everything folded out completely. Pull the wheel back, fit a wrench over one nut to loosen it so I can get to the adjuster now.

Travis: Yeah. Then do that on both sides while, while there's some tension on the axle, but it's not all the way tight.

Robin: Yeah. It's trouble, man. It's, it's a rough scene. So having something like what you're talking about would make my life much more elegant, but we can't have nice things.

Travis: Yeah. Or something or like, um, in the eccentric adjusters. Um, so that would be something like the, uh, what's coming to my mind right away, the Kawasaki ZRX has those. So it's, um, where the, so the axle sits in a, a circular adjuster that fits into the swing arm and those like rotate on the axles off center of those. And that's what pulls the chain back and forth. So it's kind of like what's on, um, like a single sided swing arm, like the, uh, the, the Hawk GT or, uh, the VFR is that single sided. So there's only one eccentric adjuster that moves the axle kind of backward and forward in a, in a row rotational motion, but there are bikes out there that do that, uh, With, uh, with a regular swing arm on both sides, you just have an adjuster on both sides. And those are notched and marked and numbered. So you can make sure that they're the same. Um, and they're, they're more precise.

Robin: The concept in that that's, that would be beautiful. They did that bone stock for every bike, but the concept of what you were saying before, I wonder if they make any kind of an aftermarket version that, where you can sort of adapt to the bike you have.

Travis: I mean, you could probably make it work, but the hard part is, is you have to have a pin that's like welded onto the swing arm for it to locate into.

Robin: Oh yeah. So we didn't need to go to who? Steve and Christina, of course, on the, on the upside. Uh, I managed to sail downtown in the dead of night last night and rocked a quick pass through lower Wacker. Uh, it's been a while. It was a lot of fun. It's still smells the same.

Travis: Like dead transformers and Batman.

Robin: Yeah. And, and urine mostly.

Travis: People don't realize that is that transformers smell like piss. Yeah. But now it's time for updated site features and developments. We'll, uh, turn that over to our web guru and master overlord of all things technical for the Ryan obsession.com. Mr. Robin Dean.

Robin: Robin Dean, I've done nothing. I've done absolutely nothing. Seriously. I kicked out a bug fixer too, but otherwise I've been too busy writing, planning, writing, planning to go start staring at my computer on a summer's day. I just, I haven't gotten to anything. I'm just, I'm writing a couple of articles right now. It makes me happy. And I'll probably do a lot more come winter, but it's just been my thing.

Travis: This is, this is the first week in five weeks that you haven't come up to Wisconsin, right?

Robin: Yeah. Every time, you know, you know, plus it was an excuse to, Oh yeah. Travis needs to get on the bike or Travis. He, he had a face fall off disease and now it, like it ruined his life. So we have to go up and get him writing again. You know, again, this is what Margaret would say. Really? Like, no, but I'm going anyhow. Yeah.

Travis: Well, and two, and then I think, um, like two of those five weeks, it didn't rain, right?

Robin: Two of those five weeks, we actually managed to get some real riding in, but then actually a couple of times he just said, screw it and went riding. Anyhow.

Travis: Yeah. I read in the rain. It wasn't too bad except the, um, the stock tires that came on the NC 700 X, the Dunlop, um, something trail pseudo dual sport, like 90, 10 tires. I got 1300 out of that rear and it was, and it was terrible in the rain. So those Dunlops, I've never had good luck with Dunlop tires. I don't, I know they make like race tires and the sponsor for for some of the race series is, but I've, I've never had good luck with them.

Robin: You look at their tread alone and it's like, they don't really quite even reach the sidewall sometimes. And they don't do much with siping, anything like that.

Travis: They, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know what, um, what the compounds were. Maybe that's just that I've had a bad luck. Cause I know that the ones that were on the blast are notoriously terrible. Um, and so are the ones that are on the NC 700. So like on the forums, everyone says, yeah, just get rid of those tires. But it's like, why, why does it even like, why is your, you know, it's like the, the pilot road too. It's like Michelin's kind of base tire. That's still a pretty good tire. Like Greg, Greg loves those tires, right?

Robin: Yeah.

Travis: The one was the last longest, you know, like Avon road riders. Those are, those are great tires.

Robin: Yeah. I mean, I always trust what I've enjoyed in the past and I've tried a few. Um, yeah.

Travis: So if you've written Dunlops and had good luck, send us a comment, um, you know, via the phone or the website or email, uh, let us know what you're riding and how you're riding them and how they lasted, I guess it'd be good information. Maybe even, uh, write up an article about, uh, tires.

Robin: Yes. Now that brings us to the next part of our podcast here. It's time for our guest interview. Travis, take it away.

Travis: This month's interview features Curtis Minder and Brandon Wood. They're traveling from Washington, DC to Las Vegas, where they'll then work with the programming community to help thwart vehicle hacking. You may have seen some articles about this in some of the Moto Mags. BMW motorcycles are some of the most advanced bikes in the world. So they have a larger attack surface and they're, they've been working on integrating vehicle automation and computer control into, uh, their motorcycling. So our interviewees, Curtis and Brandon are carving a detour for Chicago so they can tell us about what they're working on with this trip.

Robin: All right. So does everybody remember exactly what they said? No. Okay. Fantastic. We just had a recording flop. So we're going to start this interview over again, because I've got two, one friend of four years now and one new friend who I've just met. Um, I'm here with Curtis Minder and Brandon Wood. It's Brandon, right? And, uh, they work for a company called Group Sense, which basically is in charge of cybersecurity. Uh, and is on, well, right now they're riding between Washington, DC and Las Vegas, Nevada, and they made the detour to come all the way to Chicago so they could see a couple of friends and do this very podcast. I can't think you guys are going to thank you for being here.

Kurtis: Oh yeah. Thanks. Thanks for having us.

Robin: Yeah. Of course. All right. So to kick things off, let's talk about the ride first. The ride is, we're all about the riding. And I see that you guys just rolled in on two enormous GS 1200s. How's the trip been so far?

Brandon: It's been good. It's been good. I, you know, for me, uh, you know, this is my first year riding. This is the biggest trip I've ever done. Um, this is the biggest day I've had in riding so far. Um, and it's been good. I thought it would, you know, it's kind of funny. I had a bunch of different feelings, you know, going into this, you know, one being like, you know, you know, really optimistic that, you know, this is going to be really easy, you know, I don't know why, like Curtis is like really worried about me, you know?

Robin: Well, you're, so you're a new rider. Yeah. You went straight to a really advanced machine.

Brandon: Right. Well, I didn't really have a choice because my boss, uh, is a big BMW GS rider and sold me his BMW GS. And my boss is also sitting right next to me.

Robin: So right after payday, the day after payday, you're like, huh, you know, I think you might, it's strange. I feel like selling this bike. Maybe you'd like to buy it.

Travis: Yeah.

Robin: Fantastic. Um, okay. So then what exactly is the route that you two are taking?

Kurtis: Uh, so we, we, we work really hard at work. So we try to mix in a little bit of fun with it. The trip is part of that, um, uh, as part of that also, though, we're going to do some work. So we, we, we have some meetings here in Chicago, uh, tomorrow. Um, and we have meetings down in Bloomington, Illinois, and also in, uh, Salt Lake city on the way. So that's sort of driving our route where the customers are and where the, where the business partners are that we're meeting with, um, we're, we're, we're kind of shooting from the hip a little bit. Um, so we don't know exactly what the route is. Uh, and when, wherever we find the time, we'll take some side roads, things like that. It's a little compressed because we're going to a conference in Vegas at the end that we need to be in time for.

Brandon: And right now the current plan is to split up after the conference. Uh, my plan is to go on to LA from Vegas and then go up to San Francisco, uh, catch up with some people and, uh, do some meetings and kind of figure out my, my way home.

Robin: So you're going to have a good time. Do you got friends there too? Yeah. Okay. Nice. So then are you sightseeing along the way? You said you were kind of finding opportunities where you could, uh, any particular stops specific that are, you know, we got to see this it's in between here and there.

Kurtis: Yeah. I think, you know, we'll have some time, uh, in, in Utah and in the desert a little bit. So we'll, we'll probably go to Zion and Bryce Canyon, uh, along the way. I'm going to do, we're, we're camping when we can. So when we don't have to be, you know, well-dressed and groomed for meetings, um, we, we will, uh, be camping, uh, along the way.

Brandon: Well, and for sightseeing up to that point, I'm originally from Kansas city and you're from Illinois. You know, we're pretty familiar with most of the things to see between here and Utah, at least.

Robin: So how is he doing with a twisty roads? Have you guys done any?

Kurtis: Yeah, great. Yeah. I mean, so we, uh, yeah, we both have pretty new tires, so we had to take it easy when we started. Um, but, uh, yeah, we, we took him to a rally a couple of weeks ago. Um, you know, let's say relatively right. He's motioning a wheelie. I know.

Brandon: I know it was more than a wheelie thing. It was on accident.

Robin: I'm so glad we're re-recording this. Come on, please.

Brandon: All right. Yeah. So we're, we're at the rally and, uh, uh, riding with our, our good friend, John Beamer, who's a great writer. Uh, it was my first, you know, is a BMW rally is my first time there. And, uh, you know, it was really excited to get into some of these backroads. And where were we at Western Maryland?

Kurtis: Yeah, we were in Maryland. We were, we popped in and out of Maryland and West Virginia and Pennsylvania through that ride. We, I don't know how many miles we did, maybe three, almost 300.

Robin: Well, boss, man, you're going to have to guide me through some of those roads. Cause I've never gotten a chance to get up there yet.

Kurtis: Yeah. It's beautiful.

Brandon: Yeah. It was amazing, man. And just really going on the fly, just looking for the twistiest roads we could. Um, and being able to have the comp system, um, and talking, talking through it. And it was fun. You know, uh, at one point I caught a little bit of air and I was really excited. And I was just like, I need to do that again. And so soon after that, a couple of minutes after that, we're, we're coming down, um, a road out of the woods and, uh, it's all these beautiful farm roads. Right. I mean, no lines or anything like that, but strangely beautiful pavement. And, uh, two other riders are in front of me, Curtis and John. And, uh, you know, I see that there's a little bridge with this big, beautiful turn, uh, that, that goes up to the hill. So I could see the whole road for, um, you know, the next couple of hundred yards. Right. And there's a little bit of a bridge at the bottom of the hill. Uh, and, you know, just nice little pump. I'm like, I'm going to punch it and get more air, you know? And it's, it's happening pretty quick. Legal disclaimer. We did not advocate this under any circumstance.

Robin: No, I mean, to the clients, they're taking the twistiest roads they could possibly find directly to you.

Brandon: Yeah. So I, I slowed down going into the thing, uh, give Curtis some, some space in front of me before I, you sandbagging evil can evil this jump. And which is so dominant, you know, cause I was really inexperienced and, you know, I, I accelerate into it and I have no idea what, how you're supposed to do this at all. I accelerate into it and you know, by, uh, you know, the forks decompress and, you know, I'm the front part of it. And then the wheel just stays there as it goes through the top of this bridge and I'm sticking it and I'm on the comm system and I'm just like, yeah, because I didn't mean to do the wheelie and I just held the wheelie for a long time and then slowly disilliterated and put it back down and broke out in a huge sweat.

Kurtis: Yeah. So that didn't answer your question about the twisties because he went straight when he did that, but no one coming traffic. I was looking out for that. He did. He did a, he did great, man. He's, he's a natural.

Robin: We're not here for me. We're here for you guys, but I will say that a mutual friend of ours, Neil Sullivan, during a trip to Brown County, there was a roller coaster, like an up and down section where he kept telling himself, I'm going to try to jump that. I looked, he was up ahead of me and I saw all these heads ahead of me going up and down and up and down and up and down. And I saw his just go straight. These were big hills. Anyhow, so, so Curtis, for you, you're covering crazy miles. Uh, you know, we've already been through this once. I don't remember what I've asked. I haven't asked, but 600 miles today, probably 600 miles tomorrow. I mentioned how, you know, for our, our listeners out there that are considering our guided tours, we only do like 200, maybe 250 in a day. That's, that's a powerhouse of miles, especially for a guy who's new to riding. I'm impressed. I'm definitely.

Kurtis: Yeah. Yeah.

Robin: You, he was a champion. Yeah. But I know you've done this a million times over. You've been a distance rider since I've known you.

Kurtis: Yeah.

Robin: And a GS rider for that matter, I think.

Kurtis: Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I, I did a, I did a trip similar to this one and actually attended the same conference a couple of years ago. Um, that, that trip ended up being a total of 13,000 miles in 45 days. And, uh, uh, on, on the GS that he's currently riding.

Robin: Mike's apparently holding up.

Kurtis: Yeah. Yeah. It's doing all right.

Robin: Go figure. I've, I've heard terrible things about those amazing machines. Um, haven't they gone around the world or something like that? Mostly to Starbucks is what I understand. So then, okay. Any hiccups so far? Any particular.

Kurtis: Yeah. I, uh, I, I burned my hands the first night.

Robin: Uh, I saw this post on Facebook. Yeah. So it was fire hot.

Kurtis: Yeah. I did something stupid with my, uh, my burner, um, at the campsite. But, uh, so the first aid kit was out within the first 10 minutes of our stop, uh, last night. But, uh, and then, uh, he's had some technical glitches with the, uh, com system.

Robin: Yeah. We'll get those remedy in my garage tonight. That's a special for tro interviews only running session.com. Uh, well, all right. Anything else you guys want to add to it? Are you guys got some time for some pretty heavy questions?

Kurtis: Yeah, sure. I do. I do want to plug a wonder Lake. They, they, uh, lent me a seat. So I, I, um, I had the pleasure of going to Germany and meeting Erich Wunderlich, uh, uh, the, the owner of, of Wunderlich.

Robin: This name is foreign to me.

Kurtis: Yeah. It's really foreign. They, they make a lot of, uh, parts for German bikes and specifically focus on the BMWs. Um, and I got to go meet Erich and I sent him a note saying, Hey, I'm about to do this long trip. Uh, I have a stock seat on a relatively new GS. He sent me, uh, their aftermarket seat on a custom seat pan that they do. Um, and, uh, I'm going to write an article about it, uh, review about it for a BMW MOA magazine. Um, and, uh, so, you know, 600 miles today doing great. And I had, I had the sergeant, you're familiar with sergeant, right? I am. So, um, yeah, so the sergeant is on my old GS and Brandon used that on over here. And that same sergeant was the one I took on the 13,000 mile trip. Great seat. I'm hoping the Wunderlich holds up as well. Yeah. So far, so good.

Robin: Yeah. It's getting better every year. Right. I mean, that's kind of how the tech develops.

Kurtis: Well, except for the manufacturers, they continue to make crappy seats that they put on every bike. Oh, terrible.

Robin: Yeah, the stock seats. But I mean, the, my first seat for my bandit was basically a piece of cardboard with a strip of leather down the center for, for looks. Um, well, all right. Okay. So now it's time for the second side of this interview, which is something that I think, uh, motorists, not just motorcyclists, but motorists, motorists everywhere should, uh, finally come to copes with the need to express concern for, and that's, uh, vehicle hacking, which Curtis's company, uh, they're focused on thwarting that by way of, uh, coordinating with, uh, black hat hackers. Yeah.

Kurtis: Yeah. It's sort of, we, we don't, uh, play in that directly. What I was trying to do is, you know, our, our, our main mission in our company is, um, cyber reconnaissance. So what we do is we focus on, uh, listening to, uh, signals, communications of bad guys on the, kind of in the underbelly of the internet, um, uh, underground forums, uh, if you guys are familiar with tour, I don't know if your, your listeners are familiar with, uh, uh, the, the underground networks, uh, where all the nefarious stuff.

Robin: It sounds like it's a dark web for vehicles.

Kurtis: Dark, dark. Well, not specific to vehicles. We were really focused on anything. And, and, uh, but a lot of times it is intellectual property driven. So one of the, one of the companies we're visiting here in town is a manufacturer. They, they are worried about folks, uh, stealing and selling intellectual property, um, that goes into their devices, including the software. So, um, what we're trying to do with the trip is, is bridge the two. So our, our day job of, uh, protecting intellectual property and the fact that we love motorcycles, uh, the folks at Defcon have had several years of car hacking, um, uh, exposes that they've done. Um, and I reached out to some friends of ours who were involved in that. And they suggested we, we ride out, bring the bikes by the car hacking village. Hopefully they don't, uh, mess with them too much because we need to ride them back. But, um, that's, that's, so we're just kind of tying the two together and also just trying to promote awareness around it, right?

Robin: Yeah. Now, and you started this business by yourself in a coffee shop, like years back, I didn't even really know anything about it, um, uh, and then, but now you're, you're 20 employees deep and Brandon here, uh, so what's your, what's your role in all this? Uh, how, how are you, how did you get into this?

Brandon: And well, for me, how I got into it, I was sitting next to him at that same coffee shop, working on a different company and a completely different industry, actually in renewable energy. Um, you know, but I was looking over at his keyboard and, you know, how things were going for him. I'm like, man, I need to be a part of what's going on over there. Um, you know, kind of in the spirit of, uh, what I've copied and pasted from him in motorcycling over this past year, um, you know, getting involved in, in cybersecurity, not having any sort of technical background. Um, but, uh, learning the sales craft of a pretty great mentor, like, uh, like Curtis and, uh, haven't been fired yet.

Robin: So I know Curtis better than that. In our previous attempt to record this interview, you use that term twice. And I like it, which is to copy and paste from the people that have positive and a good influence on things moving forward for lack of a better term. And, uh, I think we came, we came up to the statement of Miles Davis. He always talked about a good artist will create a great artist will steal. And, uh, so not only have you gotten motorcycling out of this, you get the motorcycle trips out of this and you are learning the work environment, obviously. Yeah.

Brandon: Yeah. Well, for me, it's, you know, about learning best practices, right. And, and all these different flavors, right. Um, and, and for me, you know, in the work life, uh, for, for startups, I mean, you know, one way I kind of look at, at, at this is like a, a nicely paid internship into how to run a business, man. And, uh, so yeah, pretty great opportunity.

Kurtis: Brandon started, um, you know, as our first sales guy in within, uh, four months or so, I think we, we put him in charge of our largest, uh, relationship and he's done a great job fostering that. A lot of revenue has come from that. Uh, some of that revenue was put into a commission check, which was used to buy the motorcycle I sold him.

Robin: It all comes together. Well, okay. So let's get to the meat of the discussion. Uh, Travis Burleson, the co-founder of the site. He also was excited about this interview. I thought he should be one doing it since I was telling them before that all of us have a little bit of a computed background where we need to be careful how we use our terminology. So I gave him the option, you know, give me three questions and they immediately went straight to what tech is being used, what loopholes are being exploited and what vehicles are susceptible. It's a tall order of a question, but I give you guys the floor.

Kurtis: Yeah. So, I mean, uh, it's not as complicated as, uh, as, as it sounds. I mean, it's, you know, these, these cars are computers. They have networks in them. Just, just like a computer networks where the components all talk, uh, across a series of networks, uh, to the ECU, which issues the commands, um, you mentioned loopholes, so they need an entry point, uh, into the vehicle. Um, and the folks at Defcon, uh, some of the folks were, were meeting with, um, they've demonstrated this before where they've been able to access the vehicles remotely through either the OnStar connection through a cellular interruption or, um, or something similar, uh, or, um, even the tire pressure monitoring systems.

Robin: I think we had discussed earlier about how, you know, TPMS, I always thought that was going to be a Bluetooth thing, but you said it can be different languages or different frequencies, different platforms. Uh, it sounds like those two, or those are the two that you are most focused on at this particular point.

Kurtis: Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's not a focus of ours, but I think those are the ones that have been commonly exploited. Um, and, and just because it's, it's, you know, we use the term attack surface in computer security. It provides a remote attack surface. Um, there aren't very many, uh, things in a vehicle to do that. Those are the two main ones that, that are out there right now.

Robin: Are there any plugin options that could cause a problem there? Cause like just hack a single file that, that causes access to happen just by resetting a 001 here, one variable. Um, I've seen that happen to many servers.

Kurtis: Yep. Yep. And so the, you know, the, the, the cars, uh, and motorcycles have diagnostic parts, um, I'm sure you have some of the computers that plug into your bikes, unfortunately.

Robin: Yes.

Kurtis: Yeah. And the BMW world is the GS 9 11, which allows you to manipulate the computer. Um, so of course you can, you can also, uh, physically, uh, attack the computers through devices and ports like that.

Robin: Nice. That's all my questions for this particular interview, but I'd love to hear anything else you guys have to say that you want the general public to know. I know you guys are on your way to Las Vegas, having a great time. You guys know your stuff, uh, the right people with the right rides going to the right event for the right reasons. Are you sure that there are tons of people in the world right now who should be grateful to you guys for things they don't know they should be grateful for? What else would you say on the topic?

Kurtis: Well, I want, I wanted to put a plug in for, uh, our buddy Bo Woods over at the Atlanta council, who's fostering a lot of the communications with industry about these issues, working with the auto manufacturers, healthcare manufacturers who are making these devices with the software embedded, uh, and working with them to increase the security as part of their overall, uh, quality assurance program, things like that. Um, but was also involved in, in a group called, uh, the, uh, I am the cavalry, which is a loose group of hackers who are influencing policy, um, from, from the government side, uh, working with lawmakers to educate lawmakers about, uh, this stuff as well as working with the manufacturers. So those guys are, and Bo is really the guy that got us, um, looped into this, this whole thing to begin with. So I want to make sure I mentioned Bo.

Robin: What about you Brandon? Anything else?

Brandon: I mean, for me, if you know, a lot of the audience are, you know, new writers, uh, hoping to, at least with your, your guided tours that you're talking about, you know, in the 200, 225 mile range, um, you know, just definitely, you know, ride with more experienced writers, take everything you, you can from them. There's been endless tips that I've incorporated into, you know, today, my biggest day, you know, one, for example, um, having a camel pack in my, um, in my tank bag and having, uh, the hose of that, you know, my riding jacket and being able to drink from that pretty easy was huge today on a really hot day like today. So, uh, everything from, you know, big safety stuff, like taking an MSF course, um, you know, wearing all the gear all the time, uh, to really small things that make a huge difference for a really big ride. So just ride with more experienced writers and learn, um, most you can.

Kurtis: Yeah. Very cool. Not, not popping wheelies or jumping bridges. I didn't, that didn't come from me.

Robin: I'll do that. Awesome. Well, guys, thank you so much for being here. I can't apologize enough for having to rerecord this entire race, man. You guys have been nothing but patient.

Travis: Yeah.

Robin: Uh, you've been nothing but informative. And again, I'm here with Curtis Minder and Brandon Wood for group sense, group sense.io check out their website. I know a few people I'm going to be sending your way for sure. And also, you know, I'll mention this after the interview music plays, but check out Curtis Minder's website. CurtisMinder.com. It's K-U-R-T-I-S-M-I-N-D-E-R.com. Thanks guys.

Travis: Don't forget the WWW. It's on the world wide web. You know, the information super highway.

Robin: Netcom.orgnetcom. You mail, you've got mail. So what do you think about the possibility of an electric GSXR, man? This is a thing. This is a real thing.

Travis: I know they're working on it. I just, I, I really would love to have an electric motorcycle. Me too. Um, I've been really impressed with, um, Alta, the dirt bike, electric motorcycle company.

Robin: I've heard of this. I haven't read into it too much.

Travis: I'm sorry.

Robin: Everybody out there. I don't write as much dirt as Travis does.

Travis: Yeah. So they, um, Alta has made an electric dirt bike. That's a proper race motocross, uh, like chassis. So I'd like this, I'd like zero is around and they're selling bikes. You can buy them and they're all kind of lightweight. All the zero bikes are kind of like chassis wise. At least they're all like entry level commuter and dual sport bikes. Um, but Alta is making a race ready motocross bike and they're not, um, sanctioned for AMA racing yet, but they have done some other, some other motocross races and they, they just blown the competition away. So like they, they, I remember seeing a thing where they raced a two 50, um, and then they were like, you have to race the four fifties because you're too fast. Um, so, you know, way, I think there's a slight weight disadvantage, uh, for, cause all the batteries and stuff, but you get, um, you get that instant torque. You get, you know, a constant power band, whereas, you know, a lot of, uh, dirt bikes, these race bikes are tuned with a very narrow kind of peaky power band and with the electric, you just always have all the power all the time.

Robin: Oh, you can break your chain. If you don't curve this, you know, change that slope, the acceleration.

Travis: Yeah. And, and that's the other thing too, is there's instant adjustability. Um, you know, you do, you do a heat or whatever you do a practice, right? And you say, Hey, you know, can we change the roll off or can we change how it, how it hits when I turn the throttle like this or at this speed? And the guy just hooked up his laptop and changes it and just changes the map. You know, there's no like fiddling with carburetors.

Robin: Uh, hold on, dial it back now, reel it back. So now we're talking about a street bike. You look like you were a little flinchy about whether or not you like this concept. I mean, I will say personally, I would love to have seen it with the GXX, maybe not necessarily the arc is then at least we start with a standard.

Travis: Yeah. Well, I, well, the thing here, here's where I'm going with this whole, um, ultra dirt bike thing is that works for a, for motocross where there's a 20 minute moto and then you swap batteries and you swap bikes, um, cause range range, isn't a concern. It's kind of like, um, formula E like that works or even though in formula E, the one pit stop they have every race is to change cars to a car that's fully charged.

Robin: Um, so that, that, that should be component. The battery should be component lift.

Travis: Um, yeah, well, and there's, there's a different packaging problem with the race cars where they're, you know, 80% of the car's battery. So, you know, and it's the same, same sort of thing with, with, uh, with the bikes. Yeah. Like in, in, uh, to have some sort of a universal interchangeable battery system would be good, but that has its own things. But the point I'm getting to is that doing it with a jixer instead of a street oriented bike is electric racing. Um, you know, there's already a couple of companies out there, uh, energy, uh, um, Brammo victory. I'm not quite sure what their stance is, but you know, they do the Isleman electric class.

Robin: Yeah. I think zero is the big company right now.

Travis: Um, but the, I don't think for racing zero is doing a whole lot.

Robin: No, you're right.

Travis: Zero is the biggest for consumer products. And like I said, all of their consumer products are, um, sort of mid grade despite the high price tag because of electric technology, they're all sort of entry level chassis type things. So I think that makes sense to do the jixer because as far as battery performance is, you can do a race that's 15, 20 minutes long and you can do a heat race.

Robin: And is that your concern on the consumer level? Cause quite frankly, like I said, if you gave me a GSX with a battery operated GSX, it could take me, I don't know, say, say a couple hundred miles or let's say at least a hundred miles, 125 miles, which I think they're going to be able to do. The charge speed is really, what's going to be a question. Like if I'm stopping for lunch, how long is that lunch going to be?

Travis: Yeah. I mean, um, assuming, you know, they get some, some Tesla tech in there with, um, the way their cells alternate, uh, power production, um, you could do a quick charge, but then, you know, the battery technology now, the more quick charging you do, the more you degrade the battery life. Um, so yeah, and that's really the, that's really the crux for consumers. And it's, and it's been for the last five years, as long as we've seen electric motorcycles on the market is range and charge time.

Robin: Now we've also seen situations where they could use the reverse perspective of previous hybrid versions, where instead you'd have a tiny, tiny combustion motor that would kick on if the battery was really trying to go the longer distance. I'm not against that either. I just, I'm really excited to see it happen. You have your, you're, you seem skeptical, which I appreciate because I know you want to see it. You just want it to work.

Travis: Yeah. I mean, I would, I think it'd be cool. I'd love to see a major manufacturer enter that realm of electric, um, electric racing, electric bike production. I mean, what victory kind of did when they bought Brammo and they did do an electric Pike's Peak bike when they were doing the project one, five, six, and we're not going to go down that victory rabbit hole, but, um, but they were, they were kind of the only, so Polaris essentially was the only major manufacturer to big to do an electric bike. Harley did do that live wire project like a year or two ago. They had that test fleet of like 20 electric bikes, which I thought those look cool, um, you know, cause they kind of had more of a standard sport stance to them.

Robin: They sounded cool too.

Travis: Yeah. They had that day. And I remember there was an interview with, uh, the, one of the engineers who said like Harley's need to have a sound, which, uh, we're not going to get into opinions about that, but like objectively the market for Harley, there's a sound that you want that the market wants when they buy a Harley Harley's got to sound like a Harley.

Robin: Yeah. I'll say one thing. I'll say one thing. If loud pipes save lives, imagine how much greater life would be if you just learned how to ride.

Travis: But yeah, the electric bike was engineered to have that, that, uh, they put straight cut gears in the gearbox specifically. So it would whine like that.

Robin: Oh, give it a little, little whistle.

Travis: Yeah. I had that have that like future electric motor, George Jetson sound to it. Um, but those haven't, I mean, I haven't seen a production or any other talk of electric, um, from Harley since then. So, but maybe, like I said, if, if, if this Suzuki Gixxer comes out and there's major, major producer doing electric, how far behind is Honda? How far behind is the rest of the Japanese market? And then Europe, and then maybe, maybe Polaris is going to get their head, their button and do it. And we'll have an American one.

Robin: Who did McGinnis ride for when he did that 20 minute electric lap? Beautiful thing though. If you look up John McGinnis, Isle of Man electric, Energica, the Italian. And Italian bike. They were the production. They were the company.

Travis: There's only a couple. So yeah, but I know energy guys. One of the, one of the ones that is making a, a race bike and they make electrics where they make consumer electric sport bikes, but they, they're still super those, um, unlike zero, those are super premium as far as chassis is concerned. So you're getting Brembo and Olins and all that crazy high-end componentry. And then on top of your electric upcharge for the new technology, you're talking 30 grand bikes.

Robin: Yeah, it's getting up there. Then we're getting into like, yeah, a whole different argument. Yeah. Well, all right. We don't have much time to continue on with the standard chat, but I will say just, just to get this last point out of the way about how to test whether or not that road is passable in your maps data file. All right, everybody. We had a buddy. He went around Lake Superior. He asked me to make the map a little bit more interesting for him. I did. He's a guest author for the site. He's a, his name is John supporter. He wrote a great article about how he ended up deciding to buy a gold wing, a vintage gold wing at that. Anyhow, he goes around Lake Superior. He asked me to make the route a little bit more interesting. I did. And he ended up running into a dirt road. Now between us, he decided to have a little bit of fun to ride that dirt road, which is okay. He's, he's got that skillset in his arsenal. But if you design a route, always check to make sure that the little Google Maps icon dude in the bottom right-hand corner, if you drag him over him or her, whatever, drag him or her, it dragged a little.

Travis: It's an inanimate thing.

Robin: The inanimate guy, dude thing. You drag it over the map. If the road you're interested in exploring lights up as a place that you can see in Google street view, it's likely paved. In this case, the road had been taken up. That can happen. The road was completely, just totally removed. They were repaving the entire thing. Uh, so there you have it. That's our talk. Um, unless you have anything about that.

Travis: I was able to, there's plenty of videos, uh, online of guys off-roading gold wings. And I think I saw somewhere, someone even did a scrambler wing where they, they lit a suspension, put knobby tires on it.

Robin: It's huge. It's massive.

Travis: Yeah. But yeah, you can also, uh, if you want to spring for it, if you get a Delorme Atlas for that state, uh, that will annotate gravel roads. So you can cross-reference your digital, um, your digital route planning with a paper map, like a Delorme, um, and, and, and check that out. Um, I know there is a, um, though they don't, the, for Wisconsin Milwaukee map service makes a great map, but, uh, that's, they only make maps for Wisconsin and they, those don't actually annotate, um, gravel or not, so.

Robin: Nice. Well, now it's on to our listener questions. Um, there aren't any listening questions this round. So should you have any motorcycle pertinent questions you'd like to, uh, answered such as appropriate blinker fluid levels or a quantum physics driven fusion reactors response to being set against a confused time-space continuum as it relates to the black holes event horizon? Good luck. Email your questions and concerns to podcast at TRO dot email. That's podcast at TRO dot email, or call 224-358-3010 and field your question. You know, go ahead and spit into the microphone. Uh, now that brings us to this week's MotoMath brought to you by the super slick ultra bi, ultra badass motorcycle something. Wait, wait, okay. Go ahead. This week's MotoMath brought to you by the super slick ultra badass motorcycle mega positive incredible power. It's super slick, ultra badass, and incredibly powerful as a sidebar. Track day accident. Did you see this? I need to open it up so I can actually see it.

Travis: Oh, this is the video of the guy getting knocked out.

Robin: Oh man. Okay. So when you go to track day, there's a reason that sometimes they will dictate that you must use safety wire. And in this case, it was a relaxed track day, but they did have an advanced group and one guy didn't maintain his bike properly and his entire, was it the belly pan? It just exploded.

Travis: Yeah. Like the belly pan, like part of his fender fell off from the bottom right of the bike.

Robin: Yeah. Now he was fine. He was, he was fine.

Travis: I don't even think he noticed it fell off.

Robin: No, he kept going. And then what happened?

Travis: Uh, so you see it, so there's the, it's like a helmet or a dash cam from this guy and he's following this bike. And then you see the, you see this chunk of the, the fairing come off and go out of shock. And then you see coming in from the, from the left where the fairing went, this, this rider on a bike, just total, total like rigor mortis, just straight, like a, like a crash test dummy, just like hanging off the bike and the bike's just going and goes right into the grass and into the wall.

Robin: I'm not lying. I thought that guy was inflatable. I thought he was inflatable.

Travis: Yeah. I was wondering, I thought that he had like a stroke or something, but yeah, apparently the, the fairing hit him in the helmet, knocked him out and the bike just kept, kept going. And he was still on it, like just unconscious and flailing around.

Robin: His left foot is like caught under the shifter.

Travis: Yeah.

Robin: And so he's not necessarily upshifting, but it's just, he's not going to fall off the bike. So he hit him in the chin and just uppercut him. He got uppercut by a belly pan of the bike in front of him. He's getting drugged by the shift pedal on the left side and then eventually falls off at his bike. Just, you know, he, he survived the crash from what I understand.

Travis: Yeah. Well, it's like, it's like the, those junk drivers, you know, when you're unconscious and you crash, you're loose and you kind of roll.

Robin: It's relaxed destruction. Um, and then, oh yeah, we had our first super slick ultra badass motorcycle mega possum, incredible power rally, uh, of the 50 plus members that we have four, that's one, two, not three, four people showed up. So that's a, that's a record compared to the year prior where we all decided not to do anything. Um, let's see, there were two left after the first day of the two day event. And one of those two promised that our mechanical knowledge and assistance will be rewarded with time on a nineties VFR. Uh, that didn't happen. At least his leftover beer is our sponsor. Uh, yeah.

Travis: Well, and he did buy me a bottle of whiskey for, uh, letting him store his bike in my garage and, and work on it. So, yeah.

Robin: So to keep things moving right along, we have a diagram of when to buy Harbor Freight tools. I'm just going to say that you should go out and Google it.

Travis: Yep. What's the source on this? A CLR eight.com.

Robin: I, yeah, I'm guessing. So, yeah, they'll give you a diagram of when you should buy Harbor Freight tools. It's elaborate read it in its entirety.

Travis: It's a, it's a, it's one of those internet flow charts that are so popular these days. Uh, but it seems, um, I like how the, the very first, the very top is, are you wealthy if yes, buy snap on, um, so, and then it goes, are you wealthy? No. Are you a professional mechanic? If yes, buy snap on. And that's, that's really, those are the only two times you should really spend your money. If you, if you're rich enough, that doesn't matter. Or you're a professional.

Robin: Preach on. And with that, it's time to close this podcast down. This month's episode of the Riding Obsession podcast is sponsored by whatever brand of beer Mike Dunning left in my refrigerator last month. It's still sitting there.

Travis: Whatever brand of beer Mike Dunning left in Rob's refrigerator last month is still sitting there.

Robin: It's drinkable-ish. It really is drinkable-ish. Again, we're always looking for sponsors for this podcast. Sponsors are given three focus mentions toward the start, middle, and end of their designated episode. Their contributions are put towards bettering this program's content and recording equipment.

Travis: And that's our episode for this month. Tune in next time for more discussion on all things specific to sport, touring, and other motorcycle things as a whole. For theRidingObsession.com.

Robin: I'm Rob Medine. And for theRidingObsession.com, go ahead.

Travis: For theRidingObsession.com, I'm Travis Berthelsen.

Robin: And I'm Rob Medine. Safe travels, everyone. You want to do it?

Travis: Safe travels, everyone. For theRidingObsession.com.

Robin: It's drinkable-ish.