Robin: Robin, how the hell are you today? I'm all right. We are experimenting with the concept of buying and motorcycle trailer of sorts to leave here in New Mexico. It'll hold all of our stuff that we don't need to take up North. It'll be waiting here every time we come back and it will make it so that we don't need to rent a space that has a shed. We've got these 12 by 12 sheds that are pretty dang handy. Like it's my workspace. It's my garage. You've seen it, but there are other sites here. They're beautiful. And they don't have them. And it would be great if we could just be like, give us any site and we would have this trailer waiting for us. Right. So kind of thinking that would be in my garage sort of thing. I think I could do a six by 12, seven by 14 would be ideal. So I started hunting around for that stuff. And I did find a company in the UK that sells a six by 12 for sub $1,000. Now, what do you think the shipping costs on that? Like if they were here, that'd be great. You know, yeah.

Brian: I think what you have stumbled across Robin is a concept we call bullshit. This is a home decor site in the UK selling a U S made trailer. That is a easy $4,000 trailer. Okay.

Robin: For 900, when you buy lawn care or no, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. So something's going on there. The real issue is the winds here can get up to 60 miles an hour. They did this year at least. So I'd looked at an emergency option. That's kind of cool. A non canvas ally express shell. So you pop your front wheel on this thing and it rolls in like it's a drawer. And then you pull it back out. There's no, I'm not going to be able to work on my bike in that, but it would be a good shield. Otherwise there's nothing, you know, we've got a limited budget. So I'm looking to spend a couple grand max. I also thought about a DIY open trailer build because they make those flat bed trailers with two by four stud inserts. So I could just create a frame and then use plywood walls, do a plywood top and make it so that I could take it all apart when I was leaving and flat it out and leave it there. You know, I don't need anything special. Hell, I don't even care if I have a title.

Brian: Interesting. Yeah. And Harbor Freight has a, uh, they've got a trailer kit, you know, where you basically buy the base trailer for a grand and then you add on what you need. I don't know if that's big enough or related to what you want. It is really difficult to find a used trailer for sale. That's not the same price as a, as a new one. It's it's, it's, they're just something that hold their value.

Robin: Yeah. Our friend up in Wisconsin, Cal who owns Fireside Campground, he loaned me his, and it's got what are called forever plates. So I think once you get those two, it just adds to the value of why you don't necessarily want to let it go. You bought permanent plates for it.

Brian: Yeah. Or, you know, maybe you get a plastic shed at Walmart and I don't know, we'll think of something.

Robin: 60 miles per hour. Those wins. I don't know, man. I did take a ride to Silver City yesterday. Check the roads for when you get here, looking forward to going riding with you, sir. They are pristine and I cannot for the life of me, jigsaw update, find the feeler pegs on those things. I, I cannot lean that bike far enough to touch the feeler pegs to the ground. I was leaning to the right and touched my left ear and somehow I had not touched the feeler pegs to the ground. It's a fun bike. It's a fun conversation piece of that thing. It, uh, people are confused. A lot of people will walk up who just don't know better. Is that a jigsaw? No, but it is a GSX-8R.

Brian: Oh yeah.

Robin: Yeah. That's great, man. Like, but it's not a jigsaw six or a jigsaw one. It always becomes that conversation where it may as well be a Ninja 650 and they're like, that's a crotch rocket. No, it's not.

Brian: Yeah. Bikes are either crotch rockets or Harleys. So there's no in between. Only two kinds of bikes. That's what I hear. Yeah. Yeah. You almost could not have a greater contrast with your, with your BMW, your, your previous bike. That's always kind of fun to really explore a new bike like that.

Robin: But there is also an incredible amount of similarity if you take away the bike and look at the posture of the rider, near identical, the posture is totally my bag, which is a little bit assertive, but not double R. Yeah. Anyhow, anyhow, anyhow.

Brian: What about you? How are you doing? Fantastic. As you mentioned, getting ready to, uh, head to the airport and head to New Mexico next week and we'll do some riding.

Robin: It'll be a motorcycle types.

Brian: Yes. It'll be a bro hang of the, of the finest, the finest sort. Anyway, uh, slap some fresh rubber on the, uh, on the FTO nine, uh, did the chain and sprockets at the same time and a cush drive cushions and all that good stuff. I had about 500 miles on a rear tire, but it had a plug in it. And you know, I was doing all this other crap besides. So you might as well. I will say that I really, when I, whenever I have to, whenever I change, I don't have to, but whenever I end up changing tires, when it's cold, it was like 40 degrees. I really start thinking seriously about like a Ravicon. I love mine. Yeah. I think that's the one that's got it nailed out of all the tire changing who Ross set up systems out there.

Robin: I'm now at the point with changing tires where once it's done, once the tire is being changed, I'm like, dang it after this, I got to balance it. Oh, well like that's hard.

Brian: You know what I mean? Sure. Yeah. And then, and then I forget all about it. You know, when, in the summer, when it's, it's, it's hot in the garage and everything just goes spoons on like butter, I do it the old school way. I saw something really weird, basically a little tiny piece of the kind of the molding flashing. You know how sometimes there's this little rubber strings that hang off the tire here and there. Yeah. There was kind of one of those and it kind of flipped up and gotten balled up and it was causing like a small bead leak, which is, you know, these kinds of things are why I changed my own tires because a shop would not have stopped and checked for that sort of thing, broke the bead like, Oh wow. There's a little hunk of rubber that just somehow ended up in exactly the wrong place. Fixed it. Uh, got my resold dual sport back boots back looking like very, very nice treads on these.

Robin: Look at that.

Brian: So you took that to a specialist and they redid the soles. Yeah. Just a, uh, it's a shoe shop that, that has, they need special tooling to get up inside really tall boots. Like I went to one shoe guy and he's like, well, I don't have the equipment, but these guys do. And we're at all the shoe guys in Indianapolis are good friends and families, good business right there. Yeah. Also, you know, I'm trying a new set of boots from icon. They've got like this system where you, you spin this thing and it tightens up the boots. Yes.

Robin: I have seen. That's very cool.

Brian: Cause basically I have to wear the boots onto the airplane and do all the hiking and airports. So I'm kind of deciding which pair I want to wear. So anyway, ease of access. Yeah. And also I just got an email today that the local triumph dealer that is the triumph demo truck is coming to us, uh, late in April, hopefully I can get in on an action, go ride some corporate motorcycles and see what I think.

Robin: We need an article on what I see as being the sexiest tall rounder. That is the tiger sport six 60. Nice. Yeah. That bike, if you can throw a leg over that for one of the rides, please, will you, if they let you do multiple rides, I don't know how they're doing it, like you can pick one bike and that is it I'll do my best.

Brian: And then we go around the block at a maximum speed of 10 miles an hour.

Robin: Oh, the Suzuki rides, man. I'll tell you what leading demo rides for BRP was an absolute blast. Cause we took people on hour long rides. Nice, beautiful, long rides. And at speeds that were fun, safe, but fun. The Suzuki rides were, well, they weren't that I was grateful for the opportunity and had a great time. I mean, it's how I ended up with this bike. That's the main reason I did it. Whatever. Yeah.

Brian: I'll, I'll see if I can get in on it, schedule something and I will. Yeah. Like I didn't have a struck, but now I have a mission. I'll, I'll see what I can do.

Robin: I'll see if I can get on one of those six is a good looking bike.

Brian: Yeah.

Robin: I've been looking at it for a minute.

Brian: This is dumb and it's a small thing, but we don't really, it's kind of a substitute for the tiny tasty tool tips, but they do something nice for you. If somebody did something nice for you, we got to talk about it. The best cable ties on the planet are made by a company called tie wrap T Y hyphen R a P. And they have a little stainless steel tooth in them. They're the strongest, the best, the longest lasting, the pinnacle of cable ties. Most people just buy them from home Depot. And I did that when my good ones ran out and they're pissing me off anyway. So I went down and this is something you can do in Indianapolis. I went down to a race shop, which is just South of the Indy 500 track and gasoline alley and Speedway six miles from my house, they've got a whole wall of nothing but tire apps because the race teams don't screw around with home Depot. Crap. So you get something here about a guacamole rigatini. Yeah. I just saw today a new article on Giacomo Agostini 15 time MotoGP champion. Uh, and there's a new movie on them and they had a really nice interview on them on cycle world's website. Yeah. The dude's like 82 or 83 and still writing and very opinionated. Just no one before sense is going to be any cooler than Giacomo Agostini.

Robin: Nice.

Brian: Not even Joey Dunlop. Well, yeah, that's a tough one. Giacomo does dress better. So I guess that makes them a little cooler. He's Italian. He can't help it. Do we have any, by the way, do we have any listener questions? I forgot.

Robin: You're flying the plane. You got to find, you got to find the questions.

Brian: Okay. No, I did see one. That was pretty interesting. If you'd like us to field your questions, uh, email podcast at TRO dot bike. Uh, we can guarantee we will sift through these questions. We'll look at them and, uh, you may or may not get some sort of answer and it may or may not even be correct. No guarantees here, but we'd be happy to field any questions you get from him.

Robin: All legal, notwithstanding.

Brian: Yeah. All yeah, terms and conditions may apply, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Anyway, whatever side effects include a small question I saw today. Like, um, it's springtime. Everybody's going out to the garage. You're getting nothing. And they're going to buy a new battery. And most batteries nowadays are AGM batteries. And many of them come with an acid pack. You basically peel the top off the AGM battery, and then you put this acid pack on top, punch it on top. And all the, all the acid kind of drains down into the battery. They're sealed, but you're the one who activates them. So the shop doesn't activate them for you. Okay. Anyway, you do the acid pack, you know, punch it down, follow the instructions. It punctures acid goes into the battery. You wait a while, et cetera. And then you wait a certain amount of time. You wait 30 minutes for everything to soak in. And then you install like a permanent cover.

Robin: I've done this. I've had two or three batteries of this nature. And then when I saw the, here's your battery, sir, system, non-punch, no effort, you know, maintenance free. Here you go. That's, that's all I've ever done since.

Brian: Yeah.

Robin: The question becomes what then?

Brian: Well, the question, yeah. And somebody was like, this is the first time I've bought a battery and it is, it's, it's getting warm. Is this normal? And it's like, yes. So basically the acid has to kind of sink into the glass matting, the fiberglass matting inside the, uh, inside the battery. And it starts to react with the lead, you know, to get that reaction, it creates electricity. So basically when you have one of these batteries that you have to fill, it's all pretty easy, it's fairly spill proof and all that stuff, but yeah, you follow the directions, let it sit for 30 minutes, let everything soak in and eventually it'll stop bubbling. Usually they tell you to go, you know, to put it on a charger. So put it on like a, uh, battery maintainer for an hour or so trickle charge. And then, uh, and then get going. But yeah, that was a question like, oh my God, it's getting warm. And it's like, well, it's fine. That's all right. It's just reactions and electrons and neutrons and friction. Yeah. You know, it's going to make a little heat while it's making a reaction to make the electrons and make you happy. And kind of the other big thing, um, there's a lot of these and I'm just going to lump them together and tell you, yes, it is spring motorcycles suddenly pop out of nowhere and they are going to be expensive. If you buy a motorcycle in the spring, you will pay more money. Is that true?

Robin: I believe it is. I did not suffer that consequence, but if the pattern of observation rings true, then yes, it's like when things are selling hot, they sell high.

Brian: Yeah. That's the score. Yeah. I've seen a million questions on forums, on Reddit, on all this stuff. I was like, oh, this seems like a lot for this bike. Is it worth it? And it's like, well, it's April. You're yeah.

Robin: Yeah. But also shop around works. I'm saying this a lot lately because I just recently did it. It comes down to know your budget, know the limits of that budget and don't let anybody push you beyond them. The term is OTD, make the OTD your out the door price, the wall of negotiation. And if they can't do that, or if nobody can do that, then, you know, maybe with your dorm room money in college, the H2 isn't the right buy or the BMW K 1600 isn't the right buy.

Brian: Yeah. Misappropriate your student loan for.

Robin: Yeah.

Brian: Yeah. I actually did. Yeah. I use my student loan money to buy a base. Well, I was in a band and making money with it, so I guess it was a good investment. But yeah. Base players make all the dough. But, and, and also I w I would also add onto that. If you're looking at a used bike, the same concept of what your total prices applies, but make sure you budget for, I think every time I buy a used bike, it needs tires in these chains, sprockets, you know, there's stuff chowdered up. Uh, and maybe that's just me. I don't know, but same as a OTD price would be for a new bike. Make sure you budget for the things a used bike will need right away. So it's just going to be safe and enjoyable.

Robin: Yeah. Even if that's stripped down aftermarket mods that make things cheaper to remedy whatever your demographic situation is. Right.

Brian: A lot of times. Yeah. New tires is, is almost people love to sell bikes with shag tires. Oh, it's got another year or two on it. Yeah. Well, no, not really. Not at all. Oil changes. Yeah. And also, you know, just the basic stuff, check what your insurance is going to be. And I've seen people do this a million times, don't get the bike home. And then you don't have the money to go get it registered and pay the taxes. I mean, come on, figure this out, people, you know, that that's your total price. If you're at a dealer, they kind of handle or calculate a lot of that for you. If you're on your own, then don't spend every dime you have. And then you've got a lump without a license plate on it.

Robin: Uh, until you get paid next Friday, you know, that was one of the first things that Mags Magadine, TRO author podcast interviewer brought up about this bike was, she was like, you know, this bike is no longer a price tag bike based on what you're doing to. And I was like, it was never going to be that price tag bike. I just wanted something that I could build out modular and get all the same things and replace component by component without having the proprietary, you know, being cornered into proprietary products. Also, I have TPMS now, which is good. Happy about that.

Brian: These like actually show you the pressure.

Robin: They do, uh, via Bluetooth. They're reputable. They're a second generation of the same product. Basically we wrote an article when FOBO was brand new. So the gen one FOBOs were really annoying because they wanted to be connected to your phone all the time. No matter what, just when you're in the movie theater, just so you know, your tire pressure's low, we can't read it, that kind of thing. The app wanted to talk to me. The gen twos don't do that. I bought them and I'm very pleased with them. I've decided to go that route instead of the, uh, Android module combo dash cam, TPMS, all that stuff in one and I'm happy anyhow onto whatever we're doing next. All right. Whatever we're doing next. All right.

Brian: I gave it a title. Maybe you like it. We'll see. I don't even know what it means, but I like it somehow. So we'll, we'll try it. Okay. We're going to call this segment didn't get and wouldn't bet from the mind of Robin Dean.

Robin: Yeah. Cool bikes that we either didn't get in the U S damn a, or did get. And they flopped this segment sponsored by twisted road.com. Highly recommend you visit twisted.tiro.bike and check out our discount. We want to hook you up on that. Just imagine some of these bikes we're about to talk about. Maybe someone has one here in the States and maybe you can fight it on twisted road. And if you can, you can be the first one to write an obscure machine. As of this recording date.

Brian: Excellent. I mean, if you poke around on twisted road, there is a lot of weird stuff out there to experience. Maybe, you know, even in your hometown, look around. There's going to be some absolute madman who has put something really weird up for rent, and maybe it's worth seeing what that looks like for you. So what do you got in this mix? All right. So I'm going to start, I'm going to start off greasy. I'm going to start off a little greasy, grimy, oily, stinky. And, um, I'm going to lump in altogether all the, uh, the, the dearly departed two cycle motorcycles that we don't have anymore, as you know, maybe you don't, maybe you do, uh, in the mid eighties, the emissions just couldn't make it anymore. And so I think Yamaha was the last one to bring in a, uh, road going. And we're talking about road motorcycles, not dirt bikes, street legal. Yeah. And I call them two cycle, two stroke, whatever. I don't care. No two smokes. You get, you know, chainsaw engines, uh, weed whackers, whatever you want to call them after the Yamaha RD series, RD 400 finally croak, but the RDs actually made really good touring bikes. They had a lot of power in a very small package, um, very comfortable bike, good handling. Yeah. People strapped on soft bags. Cause that's what you did in the eighties and the seventies. Yeah. You rolled up your, your dad's army sleeping bag and off you went. And since then there've been a lot of attempts to build a two stroke engine that can meet road going emissions regs. And they really have not panned out. Uh, I think the closest is a be moto by moto by moto had a, uh, I say Bimota, Bimota, Bimota, just kind of mumble it like a Bimota anyway. Yeah. And, and night in 1997, they, they really tried to bring out the V do a, and it was, uh, you know, a little V twin two cycle engine and they immediately all broke, you know, and all these rich people were upset and really they never could get it working correctly. Uh, they switched, they made a few for track bikes or race bikes, uh, with carburetors because, you know, you don't really have emissions regulations on the track and they really, you know, they really haven't come back to the road. Just, it's just not, it looks like it's just not going to be possible, you know, but there's two cycle engines. They're really amazing. Two cycle engines in a snowmobiles outboard engines. Uh, and of course, uh, there's still dirt bikes that are, there are two cycle engines and kind of what's happened with the technology, especially on, on dirt bikes is that the four cycle stuff is really, really close in performance. Like it's a little heavier and it's a, and it's a little less power for the weight still, so the two cycle stuff has gotten cleaner, but it's just, it's not going to meet the regulations for the road. The ones where it's just a ports that flow across the piston and there've been two cycle engines of valves and so forth. Yeah. And it's just too much unburned fuel. And even with a giant catalytic converter, it doesn't come out clean enough these days for, for anybody for us or Europe, right? Speaking of oil, I'll go ahead and mention the, uh, diesel KLR 650. Now this was a U S product. Uh, it was made only for the military and they, they sold a few around the world to other militaries. And the idea was it was a motorcycle they could use for scouting or whatever. That would use the same fuel as everything else the military uses. So basically the same, I think it's called JP eight or something like that, but basically it's diesel. So the trucks run on this, the airplanes run on this, every, the generators, every machine the military has with an engine runs on the exact same fuel. So they don't have to simplify things. This company called, uh, Hayes diversify technologies. Somehow they figured out a way to take the KLR 650 bottom end and then build the rest of the engine as a diesel engine. And they sold, I don't, you know, we, nobody really knows the numbers. It couldn't have been more than a few thousand. They've been out of production. They haven't really been used by the military. They kind of dropped the idea. Uh, they've been around for about 20, you know, they've been out of, out of use for about 20 years. And every so often one of them will pop up and some, you know, and it's always big money. You know, people think it's just really unusual. And if it's a running diesel KLR, they'll, they go for big money. Uh, if you go on YouTube, there's all kinds of videos.

Robin: Nice. I'm looking ahead, looking at some of these other bikes that you bring up. Great googly moogly.

Brian: So let's get to a couple that never did come to the U S and they really should have the Yamaha XJ, or sometimes it's called the XJR 1300 and it's basically a giant Yamaha 1300 CC four cylinder engine in a UJM carcass, a tube frame. Uh, if you Google Yamaha XJ 1300, sometimes XJR 1300, whatever. Yeah. If you Google and look at it, it's like, Oh, that is cool. Why didn't they bring that?

Robin: I'm looking at it now, potato, potato, whichever one came first doesn't matter, but it looks to me like the naked bandit we're back in UJM land. Like exactly true to form UJMs, which is really hip.

Brian: Yeah. The, I mean, the bandit sold like hotcakes. Why wouldn't it, why would this one, why didn't Yamaha try this one? It's really, really seems odd. You know, and in the early nineties, they were still making the XJ. Was it the eighties, nineties? They had the, uh, kind of the sporty touring bike on the air-cooled engine. You're not talking about the FJR. No, the FJR is a liquid cooled. That was a later development, but yeah, the, uh, the earlier Yamaha FJs were, were still running around then. But yeah. Why didn't they make a naked version? UK got the cool, got the cool bikes. I don't know, you know, and the rest of the world got them. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to skip down to, I'm going to skip a bit to one on my outline here. I'm going to go to the one that is, it's in current production. And as far as I can tell, they have no plans to bring it to the U S. But it's very simple. It's the Yamaha tracer 700. And this is that two cylinder CP3 engine. Uh, that is in the, uh, it's in the MTO MTO seven. Yeah. So there's a bunch of these engines running around already. They've already bringing it over, but this bike basically puts on bags and a fairing. So they make a sport touring bike, uh, like the, like it's big brother, the, you know, the tracer 900, but they're not bringing it to the U S. I can't figure out why.

Robin: It's a good question. Cause it actually is reminiscent of what I was talking about before the Triumph Tiger sport 660. Yeah. I think the only difference is that the sport 660 has the front end curls down further to kind of hide its height a little bit, which is just fascinating, you know, aesthetics. That's all. The aerodynamics put the headlamp lower and further forward just to give it more of a gallop to it. It's a good looking machine.

Brian: Yeah.

Robin: I imagine it would do well. Cause right now mid-sized on the cheap is that's their gold plate right there.

Brian: And Yamaha is just the, they've gotten so good at the badge engineer badge engineering, they've got this really amazing family of engines, you know, two, three and four cylinder all in that same cross-plane architecture. And they are all just immediately, immediate hits are great engines bringing a sport tour like that into the U S it kind of makes sense. But I guess they, I guess they don't want to cannibalize a Tracer 900 sales, the triple version. Right. If you have a few bucks laying around or a few pounds, actually, I mean, Norton, the company has been in and out of business.

Robin: Yeah, go on.

Brian: Yeah.

Robin: Yeah.

Brian: The Norton V4 SV as far as I can tell, it's only available in the UK. It's a 44,000 pounds. So that's a lot of quid.

Robin: That's a lot of quid. It's a good looking bike. I mean, don't get me wrong. You know, someone's gonna have to loan me the, the Quan, you know, it's a really good race replica of full tuck machine with round headlights tucked in. Oh, it's a good looking bike.

Brian: And by all accounts, it's, you know, it, it, it works well too. And you know, the Norton brand name, it's kind of like Indian in the U S it has bounced around and bounced around and bounced around and there's been all kinds of scams. Yeah. Everybody keeps trying to bring this beloved brand name back. And it looks like there's a Indian company called TVS, a huge conglomerate that makes a lot of things, including motorcycles and so forth. And anyway, they're so anyway, they have the brand name now and they're, they're putting a lot of money into kind of doing it right. And, you know, maybe they really will bring Norton back as a, as a viable brand making profits. Hard to tell.

Robin: Not a 44,000 pounds, but yeah, that's, it's a gorgeous machine.

Brian: Yeah. And it's one of those things like, I, I don't want to buy one. Even if I had $58,000 laying around, which is a, you know, about what I converts. I don't want one. I just, I would think it'd be cool to see him around, you know, I'd be cool to go to, you know, go to a bike night and Oh, here, here comes, Oh, well, look at that. Yeah.

Robin: Well, if I had a guy's got one of those Nortons in a tissue box that I was wiping my nose with. Sure. Yeah. Okay. Jay Leno that noise, but I will back up for one split second because I can see that you're jumping around a little, and I will just put it out there that the Suzuki VX 800 looks like the bastard child of a Honda Nighthawk and a first generation Yamaha Seiko. I'm not talking about the excess either. I'm talking about the Seiko that check Mark plastic attachment and the Nighthawk profile. It looks like if the mid to late eighties were a motorcycle with a little bit of hair dye left over for the nineties toward the beginning there. Yeah. This would be the totally that machine.

Brian: Yeah. They, they, they somehow resisted the impulse to put like a neon scribbles on it, like everything that had the nineties.

Robin: And it's not bad, right?

Brian: Yeah. Like I had, I had two VX eight hundreds. They did come to the U S but in very small numbers, an absolute flop. How'd you like yours? I really loved it. Yeah. It's a shaft drive. It's a twin shock rear end for some damn reason. And the other thing that was really weird about them was that their front end was raked out quite a bit. That's what I was noticing. It doesn't look like it corners too hard. It did. Okay. Don't worry. It did. Yeah. It handled a lot better than that front end looked like it should, but it did wear out fork seals and fork bushings. Like you wouldn't believe wheelbarrow front end, but had a really nice, good, stiff chassis, very, very narrow, very narrow engine, about 75 horsepower. I think something like that. A 35 degree V. Yeah. About yeah. 40, 45, something like that. Very, um, very appealing engine. Um, and the, the carburetors are just unholy, unholy nightmare to get to. Yeah. Working on it because you can see, you can, it's a naked bike. It's really pretty. So if you look at it and think about it, there's very little room to run the wiring and hoses and pipes and all the ugly crap that bikes need. The regulator rectifier was underneath and it was about a quarter inch away from an exhaust pipe crossover. So basically the regulator would get hot, stop regulating. We cook the battery, you know, boil the battery over, you know, that was, it happened to every single one of these. Oh, wow. So on mine, I put in a new regulator and I put it on this kind of under the side fairing on the, uh, on or under the tail in the back. Long story, you know, I could go on and on, but yeah, the carburetors were a real nightmare to, uh, to get synchronized and working correctly. I didn't actually figure it out completely until the day before I sold the second one, I was getting it all set up for the new owner and I'm like, oh, that's what this, uh, oh, and this, oh, okay. Your rear carburetor was a regular carburetor and the front carburetor was an entirely different carburetor. It was a, uh, downdraft carburetor. Wow. And somehow you had to make these two carburetors completely different designs, function the same. And so there's all these little cables and crap in between them. Okay. If they were sorted out, they were fantastic bikes, but yeah, extremely rare, very hard to find parts.

Robin: Is that dial on the side of the bike? Is that the Petcock on off?

Brian: Yeah. Designer. There's so yeah, there's this giant like three inch dial on the side for the Petcock, which is, and the thing is it's a vacuum Petcock like every other Suzuki. So unnecessary. Yeah, it was totally unnecessary.

Robin: I mean, I guess they do leak eventually, but you know, still a little bit overkill with that dial there, but it looks cool that and disc wheels and that didn't have that.

Brian: But you know, yeah, it looked cool. Um, oddballs tire size, you know, it was just, it was a difficult bike to find the parts you need and keep it going. But it was a, it was a fun challenge. Uh, I, I ran across one, like I, I had a spare engine. Someone's like, Hey, this shop's trying to get rid of this engine. They don't know what it is. And I was like, well, that's okay. So I put that engine in the corner and then a bike with a blown engine popped up on crack list. And so I went and got that, but the, but the spare engine and that one, yeah, I had two of them and ended up selling them both and getting into KLRs and stuff. Nice. And the other one on my sold like crap list is the, uh, is the Kawasaki W 800. So basically a parallel twin looks a lot like an old Triumph, a very retro styled and what I didn't know until I put our outline together was that it's coming back for 2025. Yeah. Like they kind of, they kind of had it off and on for a while there until about 2018. And then now they're just going to bring it back and make some more of them this year.

Robin: I only just learned that while looking at the photos, like, Oh wait, what?

Brian: Oh, I guess now it's going to arrive. Look at that. It's incredibly retro styled and they have a cult following of sorts, but yeah, it's just a small, it looks like a Triumph. It's, it's the same, you know, really human size, spoked wheels, single disc, you know, all that stuff. And yeah, they're going to, yeah, we'll make a few more. So I guess I just stamp out a few more when, when they feel like there's, there's some demand, but it is coming to the U S I didn't know that.

Robin: I love that you gave the Bandit 400 a little shout out. Was that ever available in the States? Yeah. Had a trellis frame. That's a good looking bike right there. Look at that. Bandit 400 was neat.

Brian: And it's a four cylinder, little tiny four cylinder, a hundred CCS each. I don't know if it's pictured on this website, but they had a version that had a, a red tank and body work and a white frame, and it was just gorgeous. That's cool. Really highlighted that, uh, that trellis frame. Yeah. This, this was in the nineties and no one in the U S cared about going around corners, they didn't care about refinement. That won't go fast. Let's drop some Molly and go to the Lords of Acid concert. Get on the 400. Is that what they did in the nineties? I don't know. Let's go see Van Halen. Or was that the eighties? That's the eighties. That's definitely the eighties. Yeah. An amazing little machine. They sold like three of them is pitiful in the U S but they, they hung on for a while in the, uh, in other countries, I believe. Nice. Well, are you done monopolizing the segment? Fine. I'll shut up. What do you got to say, Robin?

Robin: Well, to our listeners, what started this whole thing was I was sorting through some family photos when Maggie and I went to Italy and I did notice in Italy. That every city in Italy is just covered in scooters. It's really cool because it makes sense. You don't make fun of scooters in Italy. It works. It's the way to do things, but there are people there that like to take them city to city. Uh, so for that, a couple of motorcycles did stand out. So the couple of bikes that really caught my eye. One of those bikes wasn't available in the U S and then was, it was a late arrival, but the F 800 R BMW, it's just a cool bike. It was well-received when it got here, but because it arrived late and there were other things already going on, the sales volume was low. There's just one of those bikes where when I look at any of the R motor GS that headlamp never did it that'll back, whatever, you know, yeah. The bloom County Garfield ACK eyes, just bah, Bill the cat, look up bloom County Garfield AC and you'll know what I'm talking about it. Those lights do that. But on the F 800 R they made it work. Yeah. They made the Bill the cat eyes look really great on the F 800 R.

Brian: I was like, wow, that's really hip kind of mechanical and a little ugly, I guess. Yeah. It kind of works on a, on a naked sporty bike.

Robin: Yeah, it does. It can happen. Offset geometry looks good on sporty bikes. The other one I have no place discussing, but it's the Kawasaki KLE 500. This bird, I don't ride dirt much at all when I do, I don't have a bad time doing it, but I don't have the space, the bankroll or the time even to own a dirt bike and the street bike and get Maggie a bike and have the scooter, all the stuff, there's just no space for it. It's something I want to do and just right now is not the time. But when I think about it, when I look at that profile for my future, Kawasaki's KLE 500, which did not come to the USA, as I understand, Brian, you want to correct me on this? Well, it, it may be coming soon. That's getting interesting.

Brian: They've been teasing. That's what you're getting to. Okay.

Robin: That's what I'm getting to. I really like these middleweight would be they're lightweight ADV bikes that are basically they're dual sport machines with maybe more robust framing and more add-ons and a bit of extra Tupperware, but they can do all of the things that a dual sport bike can do with a little bit more protected shell. It's a little bit less about rooster tailing your buddy and a little bit more about getting through the ditches with a smile on your face and parking a bike that you can then wipe down clean with no, without a fire hose that I found this bike to be pretty interesting. Other than that, I know nothing about it. Cause I just wanted to arrive with a bike to, to mention. So those are my two bikes. Brian's been running this whole thing and here we are with Joanne, who is now arriving. Hi Joanne. It's time for the armory brought to you by gear, chick.com.

Joanne: Well, since it's spring and actually speaking the spring, my husband slash assistant slash everything, put the batteries back in, he's charged, charging everything, he's checking everything on all our bikes to make sure we can go out. It is time. It's finally time here. Cause we have seventies down in Denver. So that means it's only like fifties or sixties up in the mountains, which I can do, I will not ride below that. We're going to try to do that. Maybe tomorrow.

Robin: You're going to be smiling the whole time. You know it.

Joanne: I hope so. Well, we got to wash the bikes first and then we'll, uh, I don't know. I just want to get out. I don't care if it's the street bike or the dual, I don't care. I just need to go out there. Um, so, you know, it's probably a lot of people who are gearing up and needing to figure out what they're going to either replace or, you know, gear that they knew stuff that they might want. Um, now is always a good time to shop because typically the January, February, March months are when new things come out. So then they get rid of brands. We'll get rid of old things and you find some really good deals on old things. So I'll just throw out a few favorites in a couple of different genres, um, in the touring side of things, whether you're on a cruiser, whether you're on an adventure bike, as long as you're sitting mostly upright, you know, maybe a five or 10 degree lean at most, you know, so your big beamers, your big baggers, your big touring bikes, uh, climb is always a really good go-to for people who need much roomier sizing or just a more comfortable fit, like a really generous, large.

Brian: I feel called out here.

Joanne: Well, because I'm going to, you know, I want to throw out options for both. Right. But I would certainly say that folks who tend to need like ladies who need plus sizing. And for those of you who don't know what that means is ladies who need dress sizing above a 14, because that's how our clothes work and odd and even numbers all the way up to 20 into the twenties, unfortunately, there's not really a lot of gear in the twenties, but from like 14, 16, 18, climb is always a very good choice. The only caveat there is if you're shorter than say five, three, five, four, if you're very short waisted, that is not a good choice. So if you have a long waist and a shorter inseam, the climb cuts, and this goes for men too, the climb cuts are long wasted. So the shorter you get and the kind of the roomier, the fit you need bordering on a lady's 18, 20, or a men's, you know, three, four X. That is very difficult to find. I'll be very honest because you're on the very fringes of the spectrum and product, but that's one of my go-tos. The other tip I have for you is you're always going to avoid any European brands period. It's just the way, yes, unless you're on the two X side, you know, I'd say once you get into single X, two X, yes, lots of choices, but once you get to three, four, five X and you're shorter than say five, four, five, five, that's when it becomes impossible, but it does not become impossible if you're say on the taller end, five, eight, nine, 10, so think of it as proportion, the taller you are, then that gives you access to the larger sizes because as many of you probably struggle, the lengths tend to get longer as you go up the size chart, right? If you go to four X, then the sizing is going to grow and to someone who's six foot, so the taller you are, then the more, the easier it actually does get into larger sizing. But Climb is always a favorite and then I'm actually going to see on the lower end, I mean, typically the American brands that are more budget, like Tour Master, First Gear, they tend to offer the shorter statured people more choices in larger sizing so that your arms aren't like eight feet long so that I know that's the struggle.

Brian: You can get Tour Master pants in short, for example.

Joanne: You can get short in a lot of brands. Revit does short in every size, but again, proportion. It's all about proportion. So once you leave that kind of mid-range, but it is getting better, having worked for Revit, I've seen the sizing in their collection change drastically in the last two decades. So there are some better call-outs these days for Revit. Example, one I want to call out for summer is the Airwave 4 suit and that goes for men and women, that suit has drastically changed in the last 20 years because now it's on the fourth version, that's called the Airwave. It's the fourth version. It is nothing like the first or second version, even not the same as the third version. This version is a half a size larger. Yes, because they shifted the fabric completely to go from a less forgiving, less stretchy poly to a very stretchy soft shell and a stretch mesh. The abrasion is still high, but the fabrics are lighter and very stretchy.

Robin: Hands up for one of the questions you and I both know needs to be asked is how does that affect the protection, the armor, is it still?

Joanne: It doesn't.

Robin: Okay, nice.

Joanne: As long as you also need a roomier fit. So where it'll compromise is if you are someone who is more Euro fitted, a little bit more slender, longer waisted, taller, and you are trying on something like this Airwave that is a more generous cut, then yes, you're going to lose that fitted fit around your sleeves and your knees because the fit of the garment is opening, but if you're still maintaining a more slender stature, yes, that's where you will compromise your fit and sizing. But I want to help out those riders who need a roomier large. Sometimes you're just looking for a medium that's looser, not necessarily a large, but a larger medium or a wider large or a shorter large. So that Airwave is one of my favorite call-outs in the Euro side because Revit has always been the best, in my opinion, of coming closer to a neutral, a little bit more regular fit.

Robin: A friend of mine uses the term extra medium, which got me laughing and thinking to myself, well, medium to the third power, right? Yeah. It's all love here.

Joanne: Yes. I mean, although Revit will never be as roomy as a medium climb, but it moves closer in that direction because there are people who don't need the roomiest fit, they just need something that's a step roomier than say a Euro, some of the Euro brands that are really aggressive. But the Airwave is one of my favorites with climb, in the men's there's different names, it's called the induction, and this is all summer because we're getting into warmth, right?

Robin: I wrote the induction article.

Joanne: Right. So the induction for men, Avalon for ladies, that's the ladies version. And again, a very stretchy, curvy woman. This is not for the slender, you know, women. This is, you need a roomier cut across the waist, the chest, the sleeves.

Robin: This is good new information because we can bring that to the site too. If you go to tiara.bike and you hit search and you look for best summer jacket, the one that's going to come up is the induction jacket. Yeah. I can't believe I'm the one asking you that because I'm the one that wrote that article, but the Avalon should be added to it in some respect. And I will make sure that happens.

Joanne: Yeah. So I'm going to give you, uh, you know, men's and ladies. So Airwave 4 is a men's and ladies, same name. The other one, uh, I'm going to see if Tourmaster still makes one of my favorite summer jackets because they do make a very, very comfortable cut. Yes, they do. It's called the draft air for men. Tourmaster. So this is an even roomier cut than a climb with a shorter stance. So, right. So that you get a shorter weight little bit, and we're talking like a few centimeters, I'm not talking about like three, four inches shorter, but we're talking about, you know, a few centimeters where you need it, but the Tourmaster draft air two for men. And I'm trying to see what the, if they have a women's version, unfortunately they do not.

Brian: Very reasonably priced too. Very budget priced.

Joanne: This is very entry level. Now the abrasion resistance on this one is going to be more entry. Uh, whereas the, uh, the Revit choices are middle, they're double A rated on the CE certification side. So that means they have like an abrasion and impact rating for highway riding. But the draft air really has abrasion impact for city.

Robin: This brings up an interesting question that I would like to ask you specifically for your expertise. The other day, as in yesterday, I was venturing back home and time to do some more work. Uh, on my way at a long straight in the middle of the countryside, I was going at least a speed limit. And also along my way, I noticed that a lot of new friends that I had not yet made were extremely surprised to see me as I came around corners, given it this description, what abrasion resistance might a responsible speed limit riding motorcyclist, such as myself to the third power want to be seeking?

Joanne: Well, give me a number for speed. It's like a hundred. It's very different from 40.

Robin: It is. Isn't it? If I could make this into a haiku, I would give me a rough range vaguely between 55 and 150.

Joanne: Okay. So then you're looking for a min at minimum, a double A.

Robin: Thank you.

Joanne: Yeah. I, at least in textiles.

Robin: Yeah.

Joanne: And then if you, once you bump up to leathers, then that's triple.

Robin: No, I've got my track leathers. I never wear them on the street though, but I do textiles a lot.

Joanne: Mesh, summer, doubles. Doubles are highway. Aggressive.

Robin: Assertive. Not aggressive. Never, never aggressive. Assertive.

Joanne: But think of single A as city. Um, for ladies, I want to call out a really wonderful brand from a woman in South Carolina, North Carolina called Sport Bike Chic. Don't worry. I'll give Robin the links to these. And she makes plus size riding jeans and, um, uh, some other items. So she's local and she really knows what she's doing in terms of delivering like a true plus size. Because plus size doesn't mean going to a four or five X. It really means identifying the proportions so that the garment doesn't get too long and it gets, you know, roomier and more broad in the right direction. So she's wonderful and she's a small business and she makes some other really great products for women riders. So she's a really great resource. Again, very much a plus size woman's product. So it, I mean, generally the guideline is if you're anywhere, if you're a woman who has a range of dress sizing from a U S six to a U S 14, you pretty much have everything available to you. The women's gear market is designed for you. Once you leave the four six and you go down to like a zero two or you go up over a 16, that's where you start to lose choices. It sucks. It's really rough. There's another local brand. Um, she's another small business owner and she, um, her company's called Raven Rova. Raven Rova. And I'll give you that link as well. And she makes some really great, uh, pieces in a regular and in larger sizes too, and nice email her and ask her questions about sizing. Yeah. She's fantastic. So those were kind of my favorite call outs. You're on. I don't know what the latest spring launches are. The I haven't been catching. I haven't been keeping up with spring collections.

Robin: You're talking about bedazzlement.

Joanne: Yes.

Robin: But it's okay.

Joanne: But with plus sizing, it's always a challenge. Um, I do have another option certainly for, uh, leathers. Uh, there's a lot of companies now offering custom leathers fully customized and fitted to your body. Revit does full track suits through their tailor tech program. Dianese also does custom patterned sizing, but they have a ton of off the rack product. So there are companies out there who only do custom like, um, heroic racing, other brands, if you Google that solely focus on custom race leathers, but I would say those offerings are shrinking a little bit. Just be really careful of what you see online in places like eBay, because there are a lot of counterfeit products being made offshore, stealing their logos and designs and making terrible versions, like really bad versions.

Robin: 40 Naga beasts died for this leather quote. I'm sorry. Naga suit.

Joanne: Well, they're just really bad at even copying the design. They just look, they're just an uglier version of a Dianese suit or that Nike emblems in the wrong direction. Yes. And they're just ugly.

Brian: You need to go someplace with, uh, you know, some, somebody who will actually measure you and.

Joanne: Yeah. Authorized dealers. Yeah. Um, but there are a lot of brands that will do remote measuring and, you know, they'll sell it to you remotely. You don't have to buy them all that way. I also want to call out a custom one piece suit manufacturer textiles, basically an alternate to arrow stitch called Tez and that's T E I Z. And they've been doing this for a couple decades. Like I, well, maybe 15 years. Like I remember meeting the owners back in like 2012. Wow. It's, and they're really nice, especially the women's suits. Cause they're doing again, a custom pattern. The difference with custom suits is some brands will take a template and then tailor it. So they'll have a, a dress size template to make the suit. And then they might take in the sleeve or take in the waist versus a fully custom pattern suit. Like Dainese will do or Revit will do for their leather suits. They will make a whole new pattern template just for your body. That's why it's so much money. So with Dainese Revit, you're going to throw down about two grand. Cause that suit is only made for you. Nobody else will be using that suit. And the customization is down to the patch color on your wrist versus the patch color on your knee. The customization. But Tez is a textile one piece riding suit and they use really good name brand fabrics too.

Robin: They're big on the venting and you know, the airflow, the all season-ness. How are they on the water block?

Joanne: That I do not know because I've not used it. They may not offer a waterproof suit.

Robin: They may not.

Joanne: I don't, I don't know that they offer a waterproof choice, but they are offering two piece now it looks like.

Robin: The pricing is so much more friendly. Really accessible.

Joanne: Yes. Cause they're not manufacturing here. Um, so for right now, yes, the pricing is great.

Brian: Thank you, Joanne. Similar banter at higher revs can be heard via the GearCheck podcast. Visit gearcheck.com and dig in. Next up is moments in motorcycle history with Jordan Liebman. So where we left our hero, George Wyman, uh, if we root for George Wyman, we might just make it to the Nebraska border. He'll be misdirected, but regularly without a roof. Thanks Roosevelt. What does this all mean?

Robin: Well, I sat down with Jordan and we did a recording and this one is rough. So he's got to cross the Rockies, right? There are no roads. We all know the story. You know what? You know what? Jordan's got the score. Take it away, Jordan.

Jordan: He, uh, he was in Ogden, Utah. And he met up with, uh, S.C. Higgins, J.C. S.C. Higgins, whatever, who hosted him. And he slept over there. He leaves at 6, 10 AM and Higgins rides with him on his Indian for four miles, uh, to get him on the correct road. Cause apparently you can get off track pretty easily. The roads outside of Ogden were muddy and streams were overflowing their banks. And he started, uh, as he entered the mountain streams, the snow was deep and it was starting to melt a little bit. So he had to cross streams. And at first he, uh, decided he didn't want to get his shoes wet. So he's in these icy, barely above freezing streams, barefoot. And then he decides that that sucks too much. So he puts his shoes back on. Continues for several miles. It got to the point where the water was knee deep. So he's basically pushing the bike through this deep, with this water that's getting shallow and deep. And it's all from the melt off for the mountains. Eventually what happens is his engine sucks in water. He finally gets out and he has to pull the plug and get the water out of the engine and takes forever to restart the engine. This is just outside of Ogden, Utah. Uh, Higgins leaves him and he's on his own and immediately gets into literally deep water. He's getting towards the Weber River and Weber Canyon, which extends 140 miles Southeast towards Granger. So he's still in Utah. He's not in Wyoming yet. This is where we left off last time. And he's following the wagon road, which is just 12 miles outside of Ogden. And he starts to see granite rock walls coming up on either side. And he gets to a place called Devil's Gate and Devil's Slide. Natural geologic formations and there's water features. And he is presently in Mormon country. Finally, he gets to Echo City and Echo Gorge. At the very end, he reaches Wyoming. It gets to Evanston. He's tired and beat. So this is 140 mile day and there are no rooms for him to get a bed. And it turns out Teddy Roosevelt, who was our president at the time was campaigning by train. And he was making his way West while he's making his way East. And so he ended up going to this town that Teddy Roosevelt had just left the day before. So there's still thousands of people in this town that wouldn't normally be there that are still in these hotels. So he didn't have a room. Everyone's there to hear Roosevelt's speech. It makes travel more difficult and people are rowdy. And I guess it was popular and common for people to drink too much during presidential campaigns. And people are getting in fights and locals try to fight with him. They make a big spectacle of, of everything. Some of these people that came to see the president get angry with because they're trying to get back in a car or however other way with wagons. They're getting mad at him for being on what is considered to be the road. So they're yelling at him, telling him that motorcycles have no right to be on a road. These are Mormon people. So he says that Mormons are often short-tempered and he leaves it at that. He gets to Echo Gorge and he has a meal at Echo City, which is a town of only 200 people, but still it's full of people. And the roads are badly soaked. He decides to go back to the railroad ties. It beats the shit out of him from the bouncing. He's rattled from constantly pounding on these railroad ties. And he gets to Pulpit Rock, made famous by Brigham Young, who is the founder of the Mormon people, I suppose. And he sees sandstone bluffs, hoodoos, rock formations of that area. Once he gets past Castle Rocks, he sees what he describes as thousands of sheep carcasses that died from snow and hailstorms a few days before. Hail was so bad that it literally stoned the sheep to death. Thousands of them. I could imagine the smell was pretty bad. And he makes it to Evansville, Wyoming by 835 PM. So he's crossed the Wyoming border and it took him 14 hours and 20 minutes. This leg was 80 miles. I might be a little confused here. There was 140 miles from Ogden to Granger, but he makes this trip, this leg in 80 miles. So he's pretty beat. 14 hours of riding. I can't do it. I'd be done in five or six hours personally. Officially in Wyoming. He says, uh, Evansville, Wyoming is a crowded town just over the border from Utah. There are 2000 people there from the day before when President Roosevelt came through, so he couldn't get a room. And he watched a poker game at a hotel and found a chair to sleep in at the railroad station and woke up sore at 620 AM. He gets on his bike and six miles later, he hits a rut. His handlebar stem snapped again. So his second time, his handlebars are broken, but he was able to hammer it in with his wrench. This was the stem of his handlebar. That's not the arm of his handlebar, but the stem. So about an inch of the stem was held in the head tube. And that lasts him all the way to Chicago. From Evansville, Wyoming, he takes the tracks to Altamont, Wyoming, 13 miles away, half mile long tunnel, and had to wait to let a train pass and an operator told him there would be a lot more trains. They did keep coming. So he decided that his only thing to do would be go over the summit instead of through it. So now he's walking his bike over a mountain that the railroad decided it would be better to go through. So he's basically pushing it uphill the entire way. And then he's also got to go down. So he gets over the summit finally and continued on basically a pathway. Cause there's, you know, people have been going this way for a long time, hundreds of years. And he goes on a road through, uh, Spring Valley, Wyoming, and then Carter, Wyoming, and Grainger, Wyoming, which is that place that I said was 140 miles from Ogden. He's riding past, uh, famed buttes and Table Mountains of the Badlands. So he's in the Badlands going downhill from Altamont to Wyoming, to Grainger, Wyoming. He mentions the muddy roads are filled with rocks the size of baseballs. So baseball was a thing in 1903 and he knows how big that baseballs are. And he says the rocks, how big the rocks are. He mentions that the telegraph operators have bicycles that have a rail attachment like a catamaran. So they basically get to ride their bicycles on the rails. The arms will straddle the tracks. These bicycle telegraph operators can cover 150 miles a day on the tracks, rain, snow, or shine. I mean, there's all kinds of things that have been lost to history that he mentions and you have to try to envision or look it up. So he was in Grainger. He departed at 6.30 AM and gets to Marston, Wyoming, which is very rocky. Back to the tracks are rocky roads for six miles. And he found the old stage road in quotation marks to Green River, Wyoming. And he says the roads there were gravelly and fine. So probably like a gravel path for you and me these days. He gets to Green River with a population of about 1500, so not a small town, but he didn't stop there and he kept going until he gets past Castle Rocks to Rock Springs, Wyoming, which he says was memorable for the labor troubles and murders of the Chinaman. So there must've been an event in Rock Springs, Wyoming, where there was some labor dispute and a bunch of Chinese people got killed that would be worth looking up to fill in the blanks here. In Castle Rock, his, his drive belt, which is leather split, and it continues to split for the rest of this trip. Had it sewn up, probably somebody who makes saddles or whatever, sewed up his drive belt. And gets about 45 miles from Grainger, Wyoming further and had an early dinner at 1145 AM and then gets to Creston, Wyoming and Rawlins, Wyoming and Fort Steel, Wyoming, Laramie, Wyoming, and Cheyenne, Wyoming, where the elevation is 8,590 feet and went further past the point of Rocks, Wyoming and Bitter Creek, Wyoming and by 7.15 PM or 12 hours and 45 minutes where the hotel is an abandoned boxcar, stays in an abandoned boxcar. Now we're in June. June 1st, he ate breakfast in the boxcar restaurant and left Bitter Creek for Rawlins, 20 miles away and crosses the Red Desert of calcareous clay that is fiery red, in his words, all right, to Red Desert Station, Telegraph Office, to Wamsutter, Wyoming and Creston, Wyoming, and to the Great Divide signpost. He says he's 1,100 miles from San Francisco and notes other mountains are the Green, Febrous, and Seminole chains of mountains to the North and to the Northwest is the Wind River Range. So these mountain ranges have names, but the individual mountains don't have names necessarily. And he says that the Shoshone Range is to the South and the Sierra Madres. He's getting his berries. He knows that he's looking at a sign that says the Great Divide and there's probably signs telling him where the other mountain ranges are pointing in that direction, 30 miles from Creston to Rawlins, a town of 2,000, where he stopped for only gasoline and rides on gravel to Cherokee, Wyoming and Daly's Ranch, Wyoming, where he took a photo of an abandoned prairie schooner. So if you go online, you can look up his photographs and there's a photograph of the prairie schooner wagons, those wagons that'll carry 12,000 pounds. He passes Fort Fred Steel with an E on the end and the road begins to ascend again, where there are only ruins of abandoned houses. Then follow the old immigrant trail that winds across the River Platte and approaches the Laramie Plains and the Laramie Mountains to Whitehorse Canyon, which is named after a drunk Englishman who rode his horse off of a 200 foot high cliff. So apparently he called him a remittance man, whatever remittance man is. I think I looked it up before and I think it just meant that he was stationed there and is receiving money to be there. What's the best thing to do when you're a remittance man? Jump off a cliff drunk on a horse.

Robin: Now next week, we're going riding. We're riding into Mexico. So I think that in my opinion, next week should be a sloppy nonsense bullshit recording on our module. Brian's going to bring his module. I'll have my module. And when we get to our destination in Alpine, Arizona, maybe we'll have a sit down and we'll belch beer into a microphone and I won't even edit. Unless you guys speak, in which case I'll have to edit.

Brian: We'll see what happens.

Robin: Well, are you guys ready to get out of here?

Brian: Let's get out of here.