WEBVTT 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:05.039 Brian Wringer: In this episode, we say goodbye, we nerd out, and we get electric news. 00:02:05.723 --> 00:02:09.148 Brian Wringer: The Missouri report includes an educational fresh underwear moment. 00:02:09.606 --> 00:02:13.339 Brian Wringer: Next, we discuss distance, then we mojonate our moto-motivation, 00:02:13.710 --> 00:02:18.354 Brian Wringer: we map maps the curvature, and we round things out with the thread files. 00:02:18.819 --> 00:02:22.731 Robin Dean: Announcements, news, corrections, banter, the lot. Random song of the minute, 00:02:23.190 --> 00:02:25.907 Robin Dean: this time around, Coat of Many Colors. 00:02:26.179 --> 00:02:30.107 Robin Dean: A beautiful song for a beautiful lady who did beautiful things in this world 00:02:30.107 --> 00:02:34.877 Robin Dean: while she was part of it on to motorcycly things we're fine-tuning the cyborg 00:02:34.877 --> 00:02:39.566 Robin Dean: says portion of the weather page making a regular blood sacrifice to our ai overlords, 00:02:40.036 --> 00:02:45.917 Robin Dean: truth is we're using open routers free options to output the content and when 00:02:45.917 --> 00:02:49.614 Robin Dean: they rando shuffle the model sometimes it would just return the system prompt 00:02:50.055 --> 00:02:54.817 Robin Dean: nerd i know nerdery nerdy okay but we've made the tweak we made the adjustment 00:02:54.817 --> 00:02:56.778 Robin Dean: so now you should get some good stuff as well as on, 00:02:57.242 --> 00:02:59.202 Robin Dean: the gypsy obsession, which is at the bottom of the site. 00:02:59.655 --> 00:03:00.021 Brian Wringer: Nice. 00:03:00.568 --> 00:03:03.772 Robin Dean: Lastly, social media links at the top of our site are updated. 00:03:04.225 --> 00:03:09.347 Robin Dean: We now have Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube, and one lonely dollar 00:03:09.347 --> 00:03:16.055 Robin Dean: sign icon that is a way for you, readers and listeners, to make sure me can eat. 00:03:16.502 --> 00:03:19.875 Robin Dean: Bust out that wallet. Show us you care as much as we do. On to news. 00:03:20.334 --> 00:03:24.437 Robin Dean: First up, free electric two-wheeler route planner estimates the battery left 00:03:24.437 --> 00:03:27.822 Robin Dean: at arrival. This comes from thepack.news. 00:03:28.275 --> 00:03:32.497 Robin Dean: So the free two-wheel route planner adjusts estimated consumption for speed, 00:03:32.497 --> 00:03:36.042 Robin Dean: elevation, weather, payload, battery health, and a rider set reserve, 00:03:36.501 --> 00:03:41.257 Robin Dean: It handles multi-leg trips and road eligibility, but it does not read live vehicle 00:03:41.257 --> 00:03:46.067 Robin Dean: telemetry That's hard to say The iPhone app supports iOS 17 and later, 00:03:46.067 --> 00:03:49.132 Robin Dean: while the web version uses OpenStreetMap-based services, 00:03:49.602 --> 00:03:55.127 Robin Dean: An Android version is planned Dang, okay Gas riders get a fuel gauge and a gas 00:03:55.127 --> 00:03:59.754 Robin Dean: station every few exits electric two-wheelers need the route itself to do more math. 00:04:00.184 --> 00:04:03.173 Robin Dean: This is useful precisely because it admits it is an estimate, 00:04:03.603 --> 00:04:07.382 Robin Dean: then shows the rider what is eating the battery instead of flashing a magic range number. 00:04:07.835 --> 00:04:09.895 Brian Wringer: Interesting. Nice. Next up, 00:04:10.395 --> 00:04:16.337 Brian Wringer: Livewire cuts the 1 to $13,999, less than half the original launch price. 00:04:16.897 --> 00:04:19.287 Brian Wringer: Interesting. So Harley's flagship 00:04:19.287 --> 00:04:24.170 Brian Wringer: electric motorcycle fell from a recent $16,499, that's US dollars, 00:04:24.640 --> 00:04:36.743 Brian Wringer: to $13,999 Freedom Bucks, compared with $29,799 when the Harley-Davidson Livewire launched in 2019. 00:04:37.196 --> 00:04:41.627 Brian Wringer: Yeah, who bought... Anyway, it still claims 146 miles of range, 00:04:41.627 --> 00:04:45.677 Brian Wringer: 110 mile per hour top speed, and a one-hour DC fast charge. 00:04:46.148 --> 00:04:50.188 Brian Wringer: The catch is that the EPA last certified it for model year 2023. 00:04:50.652 --> 00:04:55.617 Brian Wringer: So motorcycle.com suspects this may be a remaining inventory clean out rather 00:04:55.617 --> 00:05:01.621 Brian Wringer: than a fresh production run at 14 grand it's a little easier to start taking seriously 00:05:02.451 --> 00:05:08.035 Brian Wringer: But the price cut also raises the question, how old is the battery? Who services it? 00:05:08.424 --> 00:05:13.486 Brian Wringer: And is this really a bargain or is it just a closeout and closing sale for Livewire's first chapter? 00:05:13.944 --> 00:05:22.408 Robin Dean: They make it so easy. We've come up with, quote, new innovations in things that came out 10 years ago. 00:05:22.855 --> 00:05:26.558 Robin Dean: We're going to charge you three times the price of what those things costed 00:05:26.558 --> 00:05:30.187 Robin Dean: when they were first introduced. But because it says our name on it and America, 00:05:30.489 --> 00:05:33.008 Robin Dean: it's worth more. No, nope, it's not. Sorry. 00:05:33.467 --> 00:05:37.147 Robin Dean: I dig the concept when it happened, but the price, it was a joke. 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:40.949 Brian Wringer: By all accounts, the bike itself was pretty good. 00:05:41.292 --> 00:05:44.568 Brian Wringer: Yeah. If that sort of thing is the sort of thing you want to sit on and go places 00:05:44.568 --> 00:05:47.799 Brian Wringer: on, it was actually a pretty decent electric motorcycle. 00:05:48.252 --> 00:05:51.897 Brian Wringer: A little different than, you know, the sport or dual sport or whatever others are making. 00:05:52.356 --> 00:05:57.168 Brian Wringer: But yeah, the 30 grand was, you got to be joking. And then, so anyway, 00:05:57.168 --> 00:06:00.168 Brian Wringer: now's your chance, folks. Get out there, get to your Harley dealer. 00:06:00.366 --> 00:06:04.738 Brian Wringer: Tell them to dust off the live wire i have seen two of those sitting in a dealer 00:06:04.738 --> 00:06:09.678 Brian Wringer: with a sold tag so people were buying them good luck to them i i and hopefully 00:06:10.138 --> 00:06:13.485 Brian Wringer: they can iterate and come back with something that makes more sense 00:06:13.938 --> 00:06:22.663 Robin Dean: Meet the need all right next up norman hyde rides 81 miles without navigation to raise dementia funds, 00:06:23.121 --> 00:06:29.268 Robin Dean: this comes from visordown.com the 81 year old triumph engineer and former world 00:06:29.268 --> 00:06:31.788 Robin Dean: sidecar speed record holder is living with dementia. 00:06:32.247 --> 00:06:38.545 Robin Dean: He completed an 81-mile North Cotswolds ride without sat-nav or electronic navigation, 00:06:38.951 --> 00:06:40.832 Robin Dean: joined by 20 industry friends. 00:06:41.302 --> 00:06:48.971 Robin Dean: His Ride to Recall campaign invites riders to try their own 81-mile navigation-free rides during 2026. 00:06:49.441 --> 00:06:52.608 Robin Dean: We spend plenty of time asking which screens route best, and hell, 00:06:52.608 --> 00:06:53.730 Robin Dean: We've done that a lot on this show. 00:06:54.188 --> 00:06:58.448 Robin Dean: Hyde flipped that into a ride about memory itself. Could most of us still make 00:06:58.448 --> 00:07:01.067 Robin Dean: a good day out of 81 unplanned miles? 00:07:01.526 --> 00:07:06.054 Robin Dean: Or has the glowing arrow replaced the little stack of roads we used to keep in our heads? 00:07:06.512 --> 00:07:06.901 Brian Wringer: Nice. 00:07:07.448 --> 00:07:10.060 Robin Dean: That's it for the news. Brian, what's good? 00:07:10.646 --> 00:07:13.385 Brian Wringer: Basically, I just got back from a little, you know, a little jaunt, 00:07:13.385 --> 00:07:16.242 Brian Wringer: a little poodle around the countryside in Missouri. Lucky. 00:07:16.782 --> 00:07:19.535 Brian Wringer: Robin couldn't make the logistics logic this time around, but, 00:07:19.875 --> 00:07:24.455 Brian Wringer: you know, that's all right. We had me, Dale, Ron, and a guy I hadn't met before, 00:07:24.455 --> 00:07:27.040 Brian Wringer: Danny, all the way from Louisiana. 00:07:27.504 --> 00:07:30.691 Brian Wringer: He drove about 10 and a half hours to get there and ride with us. 00:07:31.109 --> 00:07:32.171 Robin Dean: Did he have the accident? 00:07:32.636 --> 00:07:38.534 Brian Wringer: No. We interrogated him on this point. And I was like, are you sure you're from Louisiana? 00:07:38.998 --> 00:07:43.505 Brian Wringer: And indeed he is. And he grew up there and has lived in Louisiana most of his 00:07:43.505 --> 00:07:48.565 Brian Wringer: life and somehow escaped sounding like someone who, you know, 00:07:48.565 --> 00:07:50.189 Brian Wringer: just had an alligator for breakfast. 00:07:53.289 --> 00:07:57.185 Brian Wringer: Very cool, dude. And it's one of those things, you know, like this ride is basically 00:07:57.185 --> 00:07:59.204 Brian Wringer: the vintage Suzuki crowd. 00:07:59.645 --> 00:08:06.541 Brian Wringer: And he showed up on an absolutely wonderfully minty 1100GK, which has been nakedized. 00:08:06.925 --> 00:08:13.060 Brian Wringer: And if you don't know what a GK is, it's basically Suzuki's early 80s answer to the Gold Wing. 00:08:13.513 --> 00:08:17.182 Brian Wringer: This came before they released the Cavalcade later in the 80s, 00:08:17.641 --> 00:08:21.751 Brian Wringer: which was a fully faired Gold Wing, except Suzuki, basically. 00:08:22.209 --> 00:08:29.216 Brian Wringer: So they took the 1100G, which is their early 80s standard motorcycle, and then 00:08:29.738 --> 00:08:35.711 Brian Wringer: put bags and a fairing on it and turned, you know, and heavier forks and some other heavy-duty bits. 00:08:36.118 --> 00:08:37.639 Robin Dean: They Aspen-cated it. 00:08:38.092 --> 00:08:43.305 Brian Wringer: They sort of did. And then what he was riding was a GK that had been nudified again. 00:08:43.305 --> 00:08:47.125 Brian Wringer: So basically they took all the bags and everything off of it and turned it into 00:08:47.125 --> 00:08:52.005 Brian Wringer: a standard-style motorcycle. It looked wonderful, ran good, had a Delcovich 00:08:52.005 --> 00:08:53.798 Brian Wringer: system on it that sounded amazing. 00:08:54.262 --> 00:09:00.475 Brian Wringer: It's really funny how the vintage Suzuki guys and ladies are all incredibly 00:09:00.475 --> 00:09:02.006 Brian Wringer: cool people. I don't know what it is. 00:09:02.470 --> 00:09:07.265 Brian Wringer: It was really a little weird going from... So basically, we did the track day, 00:09:07.265 --> 00:09:10.319 Brian Wringer: and then it rained here in Indiana for like two weeks solid. 00:09:10.777 --> 00:09:15.095 Brian Wringer: So I had about 30 miles on my bike before I trailered to Missouri. 00:09:15.095 --> 00:09:16.594 Brian Wringer: Yes, I trailered Illinois. 00:09:17.058 --> 00:09:20.193 Brian Wringer: The less time I spend traversing Illinois, the better. 00:09:20.646 --> 00:09:24.275 Brian Wringer: It's really weird to switch mindsets like that. I don't know I hadn't really 00:09:24.275 --> 00:09:29.434 Brian Wringer: realized before yeah it is a transition and so you're in Missouri which is basically 00:09:30.205 --> 00:09:35.765 Brian Wringer: laden with racetrack quality pavement better actually and you have to switch 00:09:35.765 --> 00:09:40.185 Brian Wringer: back into street mode but it's also really interesting contrast because you 00:09:40.185 --> 00:09:43.314 Brian Wringer: know every time you go to a track day every time you do something like that you learn 00:09:43.773 --> 00:09:45.729 Brian Wringer: a lot you get more precise 00:09:46.192 --> 00:09:49.722 Brian Wringer: and that was interesting to feel and see like, oh yeah, I'm, 00:09:50.174 --> 00:09:52.102 Brian Wringer: I'm on that inch I want to be on. 00:09:52.554 --> 00:09:56.745 Robin Dean: I just had this conversation. I spent about an hour talking to Murray Haynes. 00:09:56.745 --> 00:09:57.895 Robin Dean: He's been on the show twice now. 00:09:58.348 --> 00:10:04.995 Robin Dean: He volunteered the concept and the information that there are a lot of dedicated 00:10:04.995 --> 00:10:09.331 Robin Dean: track riders that just can't ride on the street. 00:10:10.145 --> 00:10:10.974 Brian Wringer: I can understand that. 00:10:11.421 --> 00:10:14.352 Robin Dean: You know, it's like they have a perfect canvas with perfect, 00:10:14.811 --> 00:10:17.951 Robin Dean: repetitive, you know, uniform, 00:10:18.416 --> 00:10:22.769 Robin Dean: consistent circumstances. Listen to all my big $10 words go by, 00:10:23.216 --> 00:10:27.350 Robin Dean: blah, blah, blah. But the point is that like they get used to that uniformity, 00:10:27.350 --> 00:10:32.081 Robin Dean: that reliable pattern that doesn't involve the unexpected so much. 00:10:32.545 --> 00:10:37.430 Robin Dean: So even the nine-year fine, 10-year mine rule, that's a common gag about, 00:10:37.430 --> 00:10:40.539 Robin Dean: you know, getting pulled over. It's like stay under 10 and you'll be all right. 00:10:41.009 --> 00:10:45.830 Robin Dean: They won't arrive at that either. There's just too much moment by moment intake 00:10:45.830 --> 00:10:49.740 Robin Dean: where everything is completely different, there's no repeat effect and there's, 00:10:51.060 --> 00:10:52.480 Robin Dean: no eliminating the unexpected. 00:10:52.900 --> 00:10:58.103 Robin Dean: The unexpected is a constant ingredient, even when you don't arrive at it, if that makes any sense. 00:10:58.562 --> 00:10:58.852 Brian Wringer: Yeah. 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:00.257 Robin Dean: I found that pretty legit. 00:11:00.715 --> 00:11:03.030 Brian Wringer: You do what's appropriate for your environment. But I do know, 00:11:03.030 --> 00:11:06.677 Brian Wringer: yeah, there are a lot of, none of the top racers ride on the street ever. 00:11:07.136 --> 00:11:11.786 Brian Wringer: Nicky Hayden was killed in a bicycle accident. He was actually doing some physical training. 00:11:12.250 --> 00:11:16.180 Brian Wringer: There are things to be wary of in myself already even though i've only done 00:11:16.180 --> 00:11:20.957 Brian Wringer: four track days there are things to be aware of in myself like oh yeah i can't do that here 00:11:21.416 --> 00:11:27.700 Brian Wringer: we don't do that here but there are also a lot of improvements that i notice 00:11:27.700 --> 00:11:31.151 Brian Wringer: every time you know there's a so i do notice more precision 00:11:31.610 --> 00:11:35.960 Brian Wringer: more ability to judge distance and time and things like that but But yeah, 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:38.600 Brian Wringer: street craft is a very different science than 00:11:40.091 --> 00:11:44.397 Brian Wringer: track craft or track riding, than just controlling the machine. 00:11:44.850 --> 00:11:47.915 Brian Wringer: You know, I don't know anything about race craft. I mean, that's an entire different 00:11:48.048 --> 00:11:50.940 Brian Wringer: psychological swamp of managing things. 00:11:52.506 --> 00:11:57.226 Brian Wringer: I don't think I'll ever race. I think I'm past that point. Entirely different mindset. 00:11:57.684 --> 00:12:01.429 Brian Wringer: Speaking of street craft, we had a little talk, had a little, 00:12:01.893 --> 00:12:04.238 Brian Wringer: and I thought it was an interesting moment. 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:06.154 Brian Wringer: And for me, it was a teachable moment. 00:12:06.612 --> 00:12:11.297 Brian Wringer: As a friend of the podcast, Dale, put it afterwards, he had a front row seat. He said, 00:12:11.849 --> 00:12:16.167 Brian Wringer: There's a conversation to be had about sight distance, and yes, he's absolutely right. 00:12:16.562 --> 00:12:18.600 Robin Dean: About sight distance, go on. 00:12:19.064 --> 00:12:23.592 Brian Wringer: Sight distance, yeah. There was no disaster, everything's fine, but I screwed up. 00:12:24.045 --> 00:12:28.079 Brian Wringer: So I came barreling around the curve at a somewhat entertaining angle, 00:12:28.544 --> 00:12:31.667 Brian Wringer: and there was a truck that said, Fah. 00:12:33.016 --> 00:12:36.366 Brian Wringer: Directly across the road. Basically, a truck was coming towards me and they 00:12:36.366 --> 00:12:42.544 Brian Wringer: were turning their left on, they were turning to my right, crossing my lane to get into a driveway. 00:12:43.008 --> 00:12:47.629 Brian Wringer: They're going about their perfectly lawful, normal, ordinary business in a perfectly 00:12:47.867 --> 00:12:51.751 Brian Wringer: sane and wonderful way, getting stuff to people. That's great. 00:12:52.215 --> 00:12:54.961 Brian Wringer: And yeah, basically I had overridden my sight distance, I think. 00:12:55.292 --> 00:12:59.071 Brian Wringer: I didn't know this truck was there. And also there was a truck, 00:12:59.326 --> 00:13:03.941 Brian Wringer: there was a pickup right behind that truck. So there was no escape into the other lane. 00:13:04.400 --> 00:13:07.860 Brian Wringer: You know, stood up, got on the brakes, real, real, real hard. 00:13:08.324 --> 00:13:11.644 Brian Wringer: You know, on the back, wiggled a little bit. The ABS popped a few times on the back. 00:13:12.051 --> 00:13:16.826 Brian Wringer: Pretty much, I'm about 90% sure that I would have been okay. 00:13:16.826 --> 00:13:21.066 Brian Wringer: It would have been able to stop if like at the FedEx truck had stopped right there. 00:13:21.525 --> 00:13:25.379 Brian Wringer: But it was real close, real close, a lot closer than I ever liked to. 00:13:25.849 --> 00:13:30.336 Brian Wringer: Fortunately, the delivery, the deliverator, as I put it, continued into the 00:13:30.336 --> 00:13:33.436 Brian Wringer: driveway. They continued. They didn't know I was there, probably. 00:13:33.895 --> 00:13:39.096 Brian Wringer: And then I, you know, I let go and went on and everything was fine. Totally my bad. 00:13:40.376 --> 00:13:44.506 Brian Wringer: I should have known they were there. I should not have been going the speed 00:13:44.506 --> 00:13:48.457 Brian Wringer: I was without knowing what was there. And it's a reminder. 00:13:48.922 --> 00:13:52.120 Brian Wringer: I'm kind of at a point. I've got a lot of experience, and Robin does too, 00:13:52.579 --> 00:13:58.338 Brian Wringer: where I don't get surprised very often. And getting scared is pretty rare. 00:13:58.796 --> 00:14:02.536 Brian Wringer: And I think you're kind of, yeah, like you don't, I don't like to be scared. 00:14:02.536 --> 00:14:04.497 Brian Wringer: I don't do things to get to scare myself. 00:14:04.949 --> 00:14:10.325 Brian Wringer: And I don't get surprised that often. I'm hard to fool. That's my reminder. Point taken. 00:14:10.783 --> 00:14:12.658 Robin Dean: Now and then we bump into the boundary, right? 00:14:13.117 --> 00:14:17.496 Brian Wringer: Yeah, now and then. And also, I think my reaction time, like I should have reacted 00:14:17.496 --> 00:14:21.636 Brian Wringer: and seen that closer. I'm not sure what, I wasn't looking at my screen or anything 00:14:21.636 --> 00:14:23.508 Brian Wringer: like that. I knew where I was, but I was, 00:14:23.978 --> 00:14:27.424 Brian Wringer: Like it was there and then there was a, there's more of a moment than there 00:14:27.424 --> 00:14:30.514 Brian Wringer: should have been. I don't know if that was fatigue. I think I slept pretty well, 00:14:30.514 --> 00:14:31.716 Brian Wringer: but it, you know, it wasn't perfect. 00:14:32.181 --> 00:14:36.054 Brian Wringer: First night in a cheap hotel, you know, or maybe I was just thinking through 00:14:36.054 --> 00:14:38.294 Brian Wringer: what I was, what I was going to do next, that kind of thing. 00:14:38.294 --> 00:14:40.695 Brian Wringer: But yeah, it's a reminder to all of us. 00:14:41.160 --> 00:14:44.678 Brian Wringer: Hey, you can always be surprised. Things can always happen. Don't. 00:14:45.153 --> 00:14:48.276 Brian Wringer: Override what you can actually see. Lesson learned. 00:14:48.746 --> 00:14:50.598 Robin Dean: Are you open to feedback on that? 00:14:50.865 --> 00:14:51.666 Brian Wringer: Absolutely. 00:14:52.119 --> 00:14:57.047 Robin Dean: I'm writing an article about this subject matter right now, not involving necessarily 00:14:57.047 --> 00:15:01.567 Robin Dean: the threat level you experienced, but sort of self-forgiveness and get back 00:15:01.567 --> 00:15:03.015 Robin Dean: in the game immediately after. 00:15:03.450 --> 00:15:06.045 Robin Dean: It's a good way to eliminate the idea of the emotional scar. 00:15:06.463 --> 00:15:11.850 Robin Dean: You keep the takeaway, but you immediately return to the process. 00:15:12.308 --> 00:15:14.305 Robin Dean: That's a whole separate matter. 00:15:14.764 --> 00:15:18.267 Robin Dean: Where I was feeling all the feels was about what you were saying about track 00:15:18.267 --> 00:15:21.126 Robin Dean: day. We were saying about track day versus street. 00:15:21.492 --> 00:15:24.522 Robin Dean: And then what could have led to this moment, certain things come into play. 00:15:24.917 --> 00:15:28.437 Robin Dean: One of the greatest takeaways as street riders, and I would say that we are 00:15:28.437 --> 00:15:35.407 Robin Dean: by default street riders who go to the track to maintain a better understanding 00:15:35.407 --> 00:15:36.375 Robin Dean: of certain limitations. 00:15:36.839 --> 00:15:40.557 Robin Dean: Sidebar here, no rabbit holes for very long. Reason for you to no longer do 00:15:40.557 --> 00:15:42.836 Robin Dean: novice, Brian. You need to just go right to intermediate every time. 00:15:43.283 --> 00:15:45.721 Robin Dean: You were beyond it the first track day. 00:15:46.173 --> 00:15:49.581 Robin Dean: So it was just a matter of knowing the environment and the process. 00:15:50.051 --> 00:15:54.437 Robin Dean: And at some point, I think that with predictability and the will to pass, 00:15:54.437 --> 00:15:57.617 Robin Dean: you're well into the advanced stuff, which I was just telling a friend. 00:15:57.617 --> 00:16:02.077 Robin Dean: I personally am not quite where I have the gumption to make the pass, 00:16:02.077 --> 00:16:04.697 Robin Dean: even though I know I can do it because I don't know what's behind me. 00:16:04.697 --> 00:16:06.230 Robin Dean: And I don't know what the person ahead is going to do it. 00:16:06.694 --> 00:16:11.417 Robin Dean: Let me rewind this or reel it in as it were. One of the greatest takeaways from 00:16:11.417 --> 00:16:15.747 Robin Dean: a uniform environment where you can really put pressure on the bike while being 00:16:15.747 --> 00:16:19.076 Robin Dean: ready to react to whatever it does that you did not expect. 00:16:19.500 --> 00:16:24.647 Robin Dean: One of the greatest takeaways is that you will know the limits of the bike, 00:16:24.647 --> 00:16:26.327 Robin Dean: not necessarily your own. 00:16:26.327 --> 00:16:31.497 Robin Dean: It's good that we don't necessarily go to the track to find our limit and push 00:16:31.497 --> 00:16:34.725 Robin Dean: it over the line and maybe with a dedicated track bike. 00:16:35.184 --> 00:16:37.197 Brian Wringer: Danger zone, right? 00:16:37.197 --> 00:16:40.420 Robin Dean: And like people really monitoring your every move, but. 00:16:40.948 --> 00:16:46.143 Robin Dean: As our minds go, we don't necessarily want to press on limits that are beyond 00:16:46.143 --> 00:16:48.633 Robin Dean: what we're comfortable with outside of the fact that we showed up there and 00:16:48.633 --> 00:16:50.352 Robin Dean: are trying to do our thing. 00:16:50.770 --> 00:16:55.633 Robin Dean: But knowing more about the bike's limitations, meaning I'm going to go for this 00:16:55.633 --> 00:16:58.433 Robin Dean: and if I feel the bike chatter the wrong way, I'm going to bring it back in. 00:16:58.816 --> 00:17:01.382 Robin Dean: You learn more about like, what are my brakes capable of? 00:17:01.834 --> 00:17:08.803 Robin Dean: You learn more about what is my rear tires grip when I really suddenly drop 00:17:08.803 --> 00:17:10.565 Robin Dean: a gear and nail the throttle. 00:17:11.024 --> 00:17:16.773 Robin Dean: You bond with your bike at a track day really intensely. So then you put yourself 00:17:16.773 --> 00:17:17.856 Robin Dean: back on the regular street. 00:17:18.315 --> 00:17:21.513 Robin Dean: Now you just have to dial down the reactions. 00:17:21.893 --> 00:17:26.753 Robin Dean: I love the delayed apex. I see it every third episode, the word delayed apex, 00:17:26.753 --> 00:17:30.122 Robin Dean: where you float in the outside corner so that you can look deeper, 00:17:30.308 --> 00:17:31.687 Robin Dean: and then you chop harder. 00:17:32.146 --> 00:17:36.703 Robin Dean: Whatever happened on that day, I wasn't there. but whatever it was it sounds 00:17:36.703 --> 00:17:39.425 Robin Dean: like the track day mentality, 00:17:39.884 --> 00:17:45.853 Robin Dean: had contaminated some of the normal street priorities you said the odds are 00:17:45.853 --> 00:17:48.593 Robin Dean: good that i'm gonna be fuck and that's how. 00:17:48.593 --> 00:17:53.953 Brian Wringer: Yeah yeah and on the flip side of that it's quite possible that without that 00:17:53.953 --> 00:17:58.976 Brian Wringer: recent experience of pushing learning the bike better and what the bike can do 00:17:59.441 --> 00:18:03.713 Brian Wringer: better and what i can do better there's a there's also the possibility maybe 00:18:03.713 --> 00:18:11.447 Brian Wringer: I would not have calmly stood up clamp and smoothly brake to what would have been a stop in time. 00:18:11.811 --> 00:18:16.328 Robin Dean: Yeah, you brought refreshed knowledge of your bike to the incident, 00:18:16.682 --> 00:18:21.723 Robin Dean: and that probably got you out of it, but you had to then reset perspective on 00:18:21.723 --> 00:18:23.096 Robin Dean: where you were and what you were doing. 00:18:23.537 --> 00:18:25.227 Brian Wringer: My brakes are fine, Dave. 00:18:25.685 --> 00:18:26.013 Robin Dean: All right. 00:18:27.554 --> 00:18:32.013 Brian Wringer: All right. So what have you been up to, Robin what do you where'd you go what'd 00:18:32.013 --> 00:18:33.689 Brian Wringer: you do who do you talk to what's happening 00:18:34.148 --> 00:18:39.203 Robin Dean: I decided not to go to the rally with you because I was invited to meet with 00:18:39.203 --> 00:18:42.304 Robin Dean: a friend at Northwest Indy, 00:18:42.849 --> 00:18:46.663 Robin Dean: Annapolis. Yeah. Let's say that again. I got to go meet my friend, 00:18:47.128 --> 00:18:49.783 Robin Dean: Chicago police Sergeant Robert. That's all we're going to say. 00:18:49.783 --> 00:18:56.863 Robin Dean: No last names for what was going to be a damn fine burger and turned into some damn rubbery pizza. 00:18:57.246 --> 00:19:00.713 Robin Dean: But we had a, it was a, it was a great hang. We had a great time. 00:19:00.713 --> 00:19:04.850 Robin Dean: So got to kick back, catch up with a friend. They're doing great. 00:19:05.315 --> 00:19:11.263 Robin Dean: They've left motorcycling for however long seems appropriate for them and bought 00:19:11.263 --> 00:19:13.693 Robin Dean: themselves a nice new convertible and I'm happy for the guy. 00:19:13.693 --> 00:19:15.624 Robin Dean: And it was just a great hang. Just a good time. 00:19:16.071 --> 00:19:19.103 Robin Dean: That's how I'm doing. That's it. The ride back though. We'll talk about the 00:19:19.103 --> 00:19:24.674 Robin Dean: ride back. Remind me during a segment two to discuss the ride back. 00:19:25.139 --> 00:19:28.835 Brian Wringer: What could there be to discuss? Okay, excellent. Let's move on. 00:19:29.282 --> 00:19:31.691 Brian Wringer: All right, next up we have listener questions. 00:19:32.144 --> 00:19:39.023 Robin Dean: If you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web browser and send us a message. 00:19:39.482 --> 00:19:44.563 Brian Wringer: Question one, question the first. Do sport touring tires with tread left deserve 00:19:44.563 --> 00:19:48.607 Brian Wringer: a 6,000 kilometer vacation or should the trip start on fresh rubber? 00:19:49.060 --> 00:19:50.761 Brian Wringer: Option B, next. Okay, anyway. 00:19:51.753 --> 00:19:56.953 Brian Wringer: So the scenario is thus. A Tracer 9 GT Plus, love that bike. 00:19:56.953 --> 00:20:02.833 Brian Wringer: It's the later development of my FJ09, have 7,500 kilometers on its two-year-old 00:20:02.833 --> 00:20:05.198 Brian Wringer: original tires. I think that's around 4,000 miles. 00:20:05.650 --> 00:20:07.485 Robin Dean: I will do the calculator right now. 00:20:07.943 --> 00:20:10.273 Brian Wringer: The rear is beginning to flatten, but grip still feels good, 00:20:10.273 --> 00:20:12.007 Brian Wringer: and there appears to be useful tread left. 00:20:12.460 --> 00:20:17.253 Brian Wringer: Before a 6,000-kilometer trip through highways, the Alps, Dolomites, 00:20:17.253 --> 00:20:20.373 Brian Wringer: and Balkans. Good grief. Oh, my God, that sounds awesome. 00:20:20.373 --> 00:20:20.755 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:20:21.208 --> 00:20:24.903 Brian Wringer: Should the rider install fresh tires or leave on the current set and plan to 00:20:24.903 --> 00:20:26.663 Brian Wringer: replace them somewhere in Europe if needed? 00:20:27.110 --> 00:20:27.882 Robin Dean: Replace the tires. Yes. 00:20:28.429 --> 00:20:31.692 Robin Dean: They're two years old. They seem to have a little bit of tread left, 00:20:31.692 --> 00:20:35.888 Robin Dean: and there's some new metal tread appearing. I think I'm going to be fine. No, new tires. 00:20:36.353 --> 00:20:42.152 Brian Wringer: That's kind of a no-brainer. Yeah, that's about 4,600 miles on the tires already. 00:20:42.611 --> 00:20:48.479 Brian Wringer: Robin and I wear out a set of tires in 3,000, maybe 4,000 miles on a regular basis. 00:20:49.272 --> 00:20:52.822 Brian Wringer: It's not a heavy bike, but it's probably going to be loaded and so forth. 00:20:53.286 --> 00:20:58.400 Brian Wringer: And I'll just say this one. My rule of thumb is if I'm thinking about the tires, I change them. 00:20:58.743 --> 00:21:02.475 Brian Wringer: I want tires away from my brain so I can focus on what I need to do. 00:21:02.934 --> 00:21:07.062 Robin Dean: Damn it. I'm at that point right now where either I calm the hell down with 00:21:07.062 --> 00:21:12.466 Robin Dean: my tires and save them for Berea, or I beat the living hell out of them and swap them out before. 00:21:12.918 --> 00:21:15.426 Robin Dean: My hope is they'll look like absolute shit by the time I arrive. 00:21:15.867 --> 00:21:20.964 Brian Wringer: Yeah, I don't have a new set on hand to compare yet. I probably should order some. 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:28.155 Robin Dean: Next question. Should a returning rider use a 50-hour coast-to-coast challenge 00:21:28.521 --> 00:21:31.284 Robin Dean: as his first real long-distance test? 00:21:32.515 --> 00:21:38.709 Robin Dean: The premise, two riders recently returned to motorcycling on GSX-8R. Holy crap. Look at that. 00:21:39.162 --> 00:21:43.179 Robin Dean: And a CBR 650. They have 2,000 and 5,000 miles on the bikes, 00:21:43.649 --> 00:21:45.385 Robin Dean: but no serious high mileage days. 00:21:45.843 --> 00:21:51.169 Robin Dean: They're considering an Iron Butt Association 50cc Quest, roughly 2,400 to 2,700 00:21:51.169 --> 00:21:53.535 Robin Dean: miles coast to coast in under 50 hours. 00:21:53.918 --> 00:21:55.259 Robin Dean: Are the sporty ergonomics the 00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:59.044 Robin Dean: main obstacle, or is the missing endurance experience the real warning? 00:21:59.491 --> 00:22:04.483 Robin Dean: I'm going to say that the, okay, so I've done this. 00:22:05.259 --> 00:22:09.713 Robin Dean: My answer, and I'll pass the baton quick, is go find out. 00:22:11.089 --> 00:22:15.466 Robin Dean: And the instant you feel like it's just too much, freaking stop. 00:22:15.919 --> 00:22:20.349 Robin Dean: That's all. Get on the bike. I'll tell you, since I do know the bike very well, 00:22:20.349 --> 00:22:24.885 Robin Dean: the GSX-8R is my current daily rider, my personal favorite machine. 00:22:25.350 --> 00:22:28.269 Robin Dean: I love the bike. Like, if I were going to do this, first thing, 00:22:28.269 --> 00:22:31.172 Robin Dean: $800 gets you a really nice seat. 00:22:31.619 --> 00:22:37.679 Robin Dean: Get the Corbin first off. Maybe even get the Madass Inflatable to go on the 00:22:37.679 --> 00:22:40.001 Robin Dean: Corbin as well. Why not double up? 00:22:40.460 --> 00:22:44.449 Robin Dean: You could get the peg lowering kit that doesn't actually lower the peg or the 00:22:44.449 --> 00:22:48.146 Robin Dean: clearance. It simply flattens off the base where the peg begins. 00:22:48.610 --> 00:22:50.822 Robin Dean: Then you just get gel inserts for your boots, right? 00:22:51.286 --> 00:22:56.719 Robin Dean: Carry the smallest and simplest risers in your top case, and you're going to 00:22:56.719 --> 00:22:58.757 Robin Dean: want a top case as well as luggage. 00:22:59.872 --> 00:23:03.247 Robin Dean: Once you do all this, once you kit yourself out to actually say, 00:23:03.247 --> 00:23:06.947 Robin Dean: I'm going to do this, you know, go out there and don't know what you're doing. 00:23:06.947 --> 00:23:09.997 Robin Dean: Just make sure you carry everything from our packing checklist. 00:23:09.997 --> 00:23:14.506 Robin Dean: Go to TRO.bike, mouse over DigiTools, and click on the packing checklist. 00:23:14.971 --> 00:23:17.989 Robin Dean: Set up your settings. Are you going to be camping? Are you going to be going to hotel rooms? 00:23:18.459 --> 00:23:22.197 Robin Dean: Get everything itemized as much as possible. And then start. 00:23:22.655 --> 00:23:26.777 Robin Dean: And when you arrive at, oh, damn, stop. 00:23:27.537 --> 00:23:31.617 Robin Dean: Just stop. and just be like, no, this is where we're at. This is what I know. 00:23:31.617 --> 00:23:33.725 Robin Dean: This is who I am and I can get better. 00:23:34.190 --> 00:23:36.831 Brian Wringer: I guess we live in Davenport, Iowa now. Yeah, okay. 00:23:37.295 --> 00:23:42.915 Robin Dean: Take a couple of days to figure out what Davenport's all about and go home. That's my answer. 00:23:43.367 --> 00:23:48.319 Brian Wringer: I like that answer. My take is this sounds like something young and dumb people would do. 00:23:48.783 --> 00:23:52.707 Brian Wringer: And if you're young and dumb, go for it. If you're older, then yeah, 00:23:52.707 --> 00:23:55.727 Brian Wringer: you may want to work up to it or you may want to just, yeah, 00:23:55.727 --> 00:24:00.237 Brian Wringer: do what Robin said and go find out. You're really not going to find out until you go try it. 00:24:00.695 --> 00:24:02.907 Brian Wringer: If you're 20, your butt can survive anything, though. 00:24:03.366 --> 00:24:05.484 Brian Wringer: Maybe later in life, you might need to plan ahead. 00:24:05.955 --> 00:24:11.150 Robin Dean: Just remember, the goal is to die young as late as possible. 00:24:11.603 --> 00:24:12.845 Robin Dean: Last question, Brian. What do you got? 00:24:13.310 --> 00:24:18.940 Brian Wringer: Is electronic suspension really a long-term reliability liability? All right. 00:24:19.479 --> 00:24:22.916 Brian Wringer: Is there an echo echo in here? Or just expensive anxiety? 00:24:23.380 --> 00:24:28.053 Brian Wringer: So this rider has avoided motorcycles with electronically adjustable suspension 00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:30.287 Brian Wringer: because the extra motors, pumps, 00:24:30.287 --> 00:24:34.868 Brian Wringer: sensors, control hardware, computers look like future failure points. 00:24:35.332 --> 00:24:38.421 Brian Wringer: Actual owner horror stories seem rare, though. 00:24:38.891 --> 00:24:43.117 Brian Wringer: So what tends to fail? What happens when it does? And should long-term service 00:24:43.117 --> 00:24:46.960 Brian Wringer: costs meaningfully affect a sport touring purchase? 00:24:47.291 --> 00:24:48.295 Robin Dean: I know this one. I know this one. 00:24:48.758 --> 00:24:49.478 Brian Wringer: What you got, Robin? 00:24:49.914 --> 00:24:53.652 Robin Dean: The Beamer was cool. It's really about, is the brand reputable? 00:24:53.890 --> 00:24:57.838 Robin Dean: There are brands coming out with active electronic suspension now where they're 00:24:57.838 --> 00:25:02.768 Robin Dean: reacting to sensors and like they're using some kind of radar for whatever's 00:25:02.768 --> 00:25:05.012 Robin Dean: up ahead, predetermined adjustment. 00:25:05.471 --> 00:25:10.341 Robin Dean: The new tech is apparently incredible, but is it tried, tested? 00:25:10.794 --> 00:25:17.180 Robin Dean: I will say that with the BMW, the bike before my GS6 8R, and that electronic 00:25:17.335 --> 00:25:21.678 Robin Dean: suspension, the ESA, which was not active, it was dynamic. You had to adjust 00:25:21.678 --> 00:25:24.841 Robin Dean: it yourself and be like, I'm doing this, I'm doing that, I'm two up, whatever. 00:25:25.305 --> 00:25:30.007 Robin Dean: It never failed. And it was always incredibly good to me. 00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:36.198 Robin Dean: So if the brand is reputable and maybe even check their current stock position, 00:25:36.198 --> 00:25:39.882 Robin Dean: make sure that they're not going anywhere near the world of bankruptcy, 00:25:40.334 --> 00:25:44.668 Robin Dean: so long as they're going to be around, it's not really a bad idea. 00:25:45.008 --> 00:25:49.628 Robin Dean: It's a pretty cool concept. It's one of the few proprietary gizmotronics that 00:25:49.628 --> 00:25:51.497 Robin Dean: I was like, all right. What do you think, Brian? 00:25:52.368 --> 00:25:57.128 Brian Wringer: I really don't have experience working on bikes with electronic suspension or owning. 00:25:57.570 --> 00:26:01.749 Brian Wringer: So maybe that indicates something good, that it's mostly reliable and works well. 00:26:02.208 --> 00:26:05.720 Brian Wringer: You know, people said the same thing about fuel injection and throttle by wire. 00:26:06.172 --> 00:26:12.999 Brian Wringer: I would not be the first adopter of the first year that a motorcycle's got some fancy stuff. 00:26:13.458 --> 00:26:17.589 Brian Wringer: And also there are differences in systems does it have like a really complicated 00:26:18.047 --> 00:26:23.918 Brian Wringer: gear box you know to just spring preload on the fly or is it a little motor 00:26:23.918 --> 00:26:29.124 Brian Wringer: that just a little stepper that spins a needle to adjust rebound damping that kind of thing 00:26:29.588 --> 00:26:32.448 Brian Wringer: i you know i would lean towards things that are a little more complex i'd lean 00:26:32.448 --> 00:26:36.967 Brian Wringer: towards things that have been in production a little bit longer i would lean towards 00:26:37.437 --> 00:26:41.001 Brian Wringer: the major brands, BMW, Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda. 00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:45.291 Brian Wringer: You know, Honda in particular is really good at innovating and making things reliable. 00:26:45.744 --> 00:26:49.842 Brian Wringer: And also, if you really want to, you could think about, okay, 00:26:50.301 --> 00:26:53.944 Brian Wringer: look at this system. Is this something that's so integrated into the bike that 00:26:53.944 --> 00:26:55.374 Brian Wringer: it's unrideable without it? 00:26:55.827 --> 00:26:59.894 Brian Wringer: Or is this something that in the future, if I replace this shock with a more 00:26:59.894 --> 00:27:03.112 Brian Wringer: or less standard shock, like if I turn this into a track bike, 00:27:03.530 --> 00:27:08.407 Brian Wringer: can I mechanically conceivably go to something that's more of a standard setup. 00:27:08.859 --> 00:27:10.244 Robin Dean: Will the bike allow you to start 00:27:10.244 --> 00:27:16.921 Robin Dean: it if you do? If no, maybe you call upon them to explain. Do explain. 00:27:17.386 --> 00:27:20.033 Brian Wringer: Like there's some really complicated stuff coming from Ducati. 00:27:20.486 --> 00:27:24.224 Brian Wringer: Yeah, is that going to be working in 10, 20 years? I don't know. 00:27:24.224 --> 00:27:26.087 Brian Wringer: Ducati's making very high quality stuff. 00:27:26.459 --> 00:27:29.001 Brian Wringer: They're making very reliable motorcycles now, believe it or not, 00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:30.691 Brian Wringer: but they're also expensive. 00:27:31.080 --> 00:27:32.827 Brian Wringer: They also change things frequently. 00:27:33.286 --> 00:27:37.041 Brian Wringer: Parts could end up being a problem. So lastly, I would just say maintain it 00:27:37.506 --> 00:27:41.471 Brian Wringer: according to spec, you know, change the fork oil, things like that to make sure 00:27:41.929 --> 00:27:44.396 Brian Wringer: to make sure it's going to continue to function the way it's supposed to. 00:27:44.855 --> 00:27:48.158 Brian Wringer: New tech has come along in the past and everybody's been fine with it. 00:27:48.622 --> 00:27:49.975 Brian Wringer: This is just the latest new tech. 00:27:50.428 --> 00:27:55.804 Robin Dean: If you'd like us to field your questions, just visit email.tro.bike in your 00:27:55.804 --> 00:27:59.414 Robin Dean: web browser and send us a message, which brings us to segment one. 00:27:59.878 --> 00:28:01.382 Brian Wringer: We're talking about motivation. 00:28:01.829 --> 00:28:02.821 Robin Dean: Motivated. 00:28:03.065 --> 00:28:10.130 Brian Wringer: Motivation, tradition versus newness versus learning versus money versus motivation and mojo. 00:28:10.594 --> 00:28:15.632 Brian Wringer: This came to mind because we're hitting that dopamine overload segment of the season. 00:28:16.090 --> 00:28:22.714 Brian Wringer: We have done, I have done, you have done some awesome riding, 00:28:22.714 --> 00:28:26.452 Brian Wringer: some amazing riding this year. We have had a hell of a year. 00:28:26.911 --> 00:28:29.895 Brian Wringer: It's August right now, in case you're listening in the future. 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.056 Robin Dean: Yeah, we ain't done. 00:28:31.508 --> 00:28:35.404 Brian Wringer: You know, looking back upon thousands, upon thousands, upon thousands of miles 00:28:35.404 --> 00:28:36.936 Brian Wringer: of tire shredding awesomeness. 00:28:37.406 --> 00:28:41.063 Brian Wringer: I'm kind of tired. And I'm not complaining. I'm grateful. Believe me. 00:28:41.522 --> 00:28:45.887 Brian Wringer: Getting ready to go to Missouri. I had a moment. I was like, do I want to do this? 00:28:46.346 --> 00:28:51.588 Brian Wringer: I could cancel the hotel room. I've got a few more days. I could just say, sorry, guys. 00:28:52.308 --> 00:28:55.854 Brian Wringer: I need to stay home and live in my garage or something. 00:28:56.290 --> 00:29:00.411 Brian Wringer: But I loaded the bike. I loaded the van because nobody needs to ride across Illinois. 00:29:00.870 --> 00:29:05.224 Brian Wringer: I went and I did it and it was awesome. Yes, it always is. That kind of thing. 00:29:05.682 --> 00:29:11.708 Brian Wringer: The other thing about Missouri that's kind of interesting is that good friend Joe put a lot of work in. 00:29:12.348 --> 00:29:16.728 Brian Wringer: He made several trips to Missouri to work out the best roads and the best routes, 00:29:17.187 --> 00:29:19.137 Brian Wringer: starting from Farmington, Missouri. 00:29:19.596 --> 00:29:22.759 Brian Wringer: We have some amazing routes and roads and so forth. 00:29:23.218 --> 00:29:26.829 Brian Wringer: And every time I've tried to improve on his routes, I end up in a creek bed. 00:29:27.281 --> 00:29:29.278 Brian Wringer: I end up riding on a dirt road. 00:29:30.088 --> 00:29:34.497 Brian Wringer: You know, I end up on an interstate highway that's perfectly straight. 00:29:34.956 --> 00:29:38.428 Brian Wringer: All of a sudden, oh, I'm on a fan boat and there's armadillos screaming at me. 00:29:38.428 --> 00:29:43.828 Brian Wringer: You know, I hate to admit it, but I wouldn't say boredom is the feeling, 00:29:43.828 --> 00:29:47.332 Brian Wringer: but it's like, yeah, we've mashed these roads flat. 00:29:47.744 --> 00:29:51.041 Brian Wringer: What else you got? That kind of thing. You know, how do we keep this thing fresh? 00:29:51.506 --> 00:29:54.668 Brian Wringer: And so that's part of it, too, is like when you have this massive smorgasbord, 00:29:54.668 --> 00:29:58.638 Brian Wringer: how do you make those decisions outside of restrictions of life, 00:29:58.638 --> 00:30:04.718 Brian Wringer: of duty, of money, of career, family, and all those other things that get in the way of writing? 00:30:05.182 --> 00:30:09.158 Brian Wringer: Aside from that, how do you decide, okay, what are the many things on this smorgasbord? 00:30:09.158 --> 00:30:12.629 Brian Wringer: What morsels do I put on my plate? And what do I do with them? 00:30:13.087 --> 00:30:18.818 Robin Dean: Something happens when you have a series of collective writing seasons that 00:30:18.818 --> 00:30:24.964 Robin Dean: are indescribably good, such as like to the new writer. You can't put into words. 00:30:25.417 --> 00:30:27.043 Robin Dean: You can't even begin to like. 00:30:27.507 --> 00:30:32.389 Robin Dean: Put into their perspective, just one of these events. 00:30:32.848 --> 00:30:39.055 Robin Dean: New to it, they're going to be blown away. So here we are riding these intensely 00:30:39.055 --> 00:30:45.682 Robin Dean: incredible roads, geographically speaking, very different, known to us through experience. 00:30:46.135 --> 00:30:51.455 Robin Dean: Maybe they're not fresh, but we are preemptively aware that these are going 00:30:51.455 --> 00:30:54.570 Robin Dean: to be a good time if our head is in the right space. 00:30:55.034 --> 00:31:00.717 Robin Dean: But consecutive seasons, no matter how many roads are involved or how many states, 00:31:01.176 --> 00:31:05.704 Robin Dean: you know, we've got the Brown County rally, a couple of track days, Missouri Ozarks, 00:31:06.168 --> 00:31:13.434 Robin Dean: Berea, Kentucky, New Mexico, trip sevens, all of these riding environments, 00:31:13.898 --> 00:31:19.585 Robin Dean: in consecutive repeat order, you begin to see the pattern and any given one 00:31:19.585 --> 00:31:24.307 Robin Dean: of them may have put interesting new perspectives in your head, 00:31:24.771 --> 00:31:29.299 Robin Dean: about life, about writing, about, you know, just is a deep, shallow, it doesn't matter. 00:31:29.763 --> 00:31:33.891 Robin Dean: It's all getting collected. And now and then you need time to process that. 00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:39.410 Robin Dean: The reason I'm saying all this is that this past year, for the first time, 00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:45.784 Robin Dean: where we consider to be home has become incredibly personal to me. I know it. 00:31:46.243 --> 00:31:53.017 Robin Dean: I love it. It's part of me now. And this past season, I didn't really ride that much while I was there. 00:31:53.470 --> 00:31:56.279 Robin Dean: I rode so little. I rode enough that I had a damn fine time, 00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:01.243 Robin Dean: but I rode little enough that when Burleson came down to go run the New Mexico 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.549 Robin Dean: three-day tour, I mean, I blew the first seven corners of Devil's Highway. 00:32:05.549 --> 00:32:06.809 Robin Dean: I just could not get a rhythm. 00:32:07.309 --> 00:32:08.289 Brian Wringer: It was a shit show. 00:32:08.389 --> 00:32:11.516 Robin Dean: I was like, how do motorcycles work, right? But the point is, 00:32:11.986 --> 00:32:17.079 Robin Dean: I couldn't convince myself that whatever distraction from motorcycling was in 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.910 Robin Dean: front of me was less important than riding itself. 00:32:20.363 --> 00:32:24.489 Robin Dean: And it was a health move, a subconscious health decision. I just didn't ride 00:32:24.489 --> 00:32:26.812 Robin Dean: it. I needed to breathe for a second. It's okay. 00:32:27.283 --> 00:32:30.929 Robin Dean: It's allowed to happen. we're allowed to give ourselves that space if you do 00:32:30.929 --> 00:32:35.009 Robin Dean: that if you at least allow yourself to do that you can arrive back at this environment 00:32:35.375 --> 00:32:40.779 Robin Dean: knowing full well god i've ridden this road a thousand times okay well, 00:32:41.325 --> 00:32:47.269 Robin Dean: do it again and this time roll off the throttle just long enough to let it get 00:32:47.269 --> 00:32:53.092 Robin Dean: ahead of you so that you are catching up to the pleasure of going on that ride. 00:32:53.533 --> 00:32:57.544 Brian Wringer: Yeah something Something like that. Yeah, just kind of, it's about you recognize 00:32:58.014 --> 00:33:01.381 Brian Wringer: where your head is and so forth and get back to the good part. 00:33:01.834 --> 00:33:06.289 Brian Wringer: And it really touches on the part of motorcycling we fumbled around trying to 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:07.696 Brian Wringer: talk about many, many times. 00:33:08.154 --> 00:33:11.769 Brian Wringer: But the fact is, it is pure mental health. It is pure mental health. 00:33:12.270 --> 00:33:18.424 Brian Wringer: Pure reset. This is a high-level actualization activity, and it's an incredible 00:33:18.424 --> 00:33:20.095 Brian Wringer: reset. It's a brain scrub. 00:33:20.554 --> 00:33:27.781 Brian Wringer: You are forced to put aside everything for a while, and it is amazingly good for me. 00:33:28.234 --> 00:33:34.079 Robin Dean: But it is not therapy, and that's actually what I'm working on right now. It is a practice. 00:33:34.550 --> 00:33:35.600 Brian Wringer: It's meditation, yeah. 00:33:36.041 --> 00:33:39.234 Robin Dean: Now and then I dump it. I'm like, okay, fuck it. It's therapeutic. 00:33:40.291 --> 00:33:43.867 Robin Dean: It's just a way of saying I feel better after. I mean, no disrespect to the, 00:33:44.331 --> 00:33:48.924 Robin Dean: therapy community, but you feel good enough after that you get lazy with your 00:33:48.924 --> 00:33:51.140 Robin Dean: words. Oh, two-wheel therapy, blah, blah, blah. 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:55.082 Robin Dean: Not a thing. Practice and resolve. 00:33:55.529 --> 00:33:57.835 Brian Wringer: That's a, yeah, that's a great way to put it. Like the yoga term, 00:33:57.835 --> 00:34:02.261 Brian Wringer: it's a practice. It's a high speed physical meditation of some sort. 00:34:02.732 --> 00:34:06.511 Brian Wringer: And yeah, it just kind of cleans the body and mind a little bit, I think. 00:34:06.981 --> 00:34:10.765 Brian Wringer: The thing I've found is that it's always worth it. Like when we were getting 00:34:10.765 --> 00:34:13.995 Brian Wringer: ready for the track day, there were a lot of questions, a lot of logistics, 00:34:13.995 --> 00:34:18.655 Brian Wringer: a lot of obstacles and things to think about and discussions and so forth. 00:34:18.655 --> 00:34:23.135 Brian Wringer: And I think we both came close to bagging it a few times, but we pushed through 00:34:23.135 --> 00:34:25.615 Brian Wringer: and it was an amazing experience. 00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:29.963 Robin Dean: It's a damn fine time. When we come back for next year's season, 00:34:30.387 --> 00:34:35.594 Robin Dean: which is a divided plan, I think this round we're going to set up in Farmington. 00:34:36.046 --> 00:34:37.167 Brian Wringer: Oh, okay. 00:34:37.620 --> 00:34:42.345 Robin Dean: That means you're still going to see the same amount of me, but we're going 00:34:42.345 --> 00:34:44.458 Robin Dean: to have access to Putnam, you and I, We're going to do that. 00:34:44.899 --> 00:34:47.418 Robin Dean: And we're going to ride Circuit of the Ozarks. 00:34:47.877 --> 00:34:51.493 Brian Wringer: Yeah, I would love to get on that one. Sometime this winter, 00:34:51.952 --> 00:34:56.509 Brian Wringer: you should go to that grabastic all comers track day that they have in New Mexico. 00:34:56.968 --> 00:34:57.536 Robin Dean: I will. 00:34:57.983 --> 00:35:02.485 Brian Wringer: It looks like an absolute cluster foxtrot. I don't know. 00:35:03.717 --> 00:35:05.186 Robin Dean: I will report back. 00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:09.225 Brian Wringer: And I will say sometimes that you have to trade, you have to trade things around. 00:35:09.225 --> 00:35:12.015 Brian Wringer: And I guess that's partially real life and it's partially like to, 00:35:12.015 --> 00:35:15.675 Brian Wringer: you know, to reserve your, not just your resources of money and time, 00:35:15.675 --> 00:35:19.239 Brian Wringer: but also your resources of mojo, if you want to call it that. 00:35:19.704 --> 00:35:23.425 Brian Wringer: And I think a lot of it was time away is a lot more difficult for me. 00:35:23.826 --> 00:35:28.130 Brian Wringer: This year, I basically traded New Mexico for the 777s. 00:35:28.330 --> 00:35:32.210 Brian Wringer: And the 777s didn't happen, but then some other riding happened anyway, 00:35:32.210 --> 00:35:33.893 Brian Wringer: and it was all cool anyway. So that's good. 00:35:34.350 --> 00:35:38.470 Brian Wringer: There have been a few times where I've seen weather coming or there's something 00:35:38.470 --> 00:35:42.994 Brian Wringer: like that, or I'm just like, I'm going to bag it, and I ride home a day early, things like that. 00:35:43.453 --> 00:35:46.890 Brian Wringer: You don't have to punch a clock and show up. I guess I got to ride this awesome 00:35:46.890 --> 00:35:50.970 Brian Wringer: road again. I'll just another freaking gallon of ice cream and blah. 00:35:51.691 --> 00:35:56.572 Robin Dean: If you bag a ride, are you also still happy? 00:35:57.019 --> 00:36:00.690 Robin Dean: If you are, nothing to worry about. Like, I'm not going to ride today. 00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:04.402 Robin Dean: I'm going to write an article about riding because I enjoy the philosophies that I get from it. 00:36:04.866 --> 00:36:09.130 Brian Wringer: People get disappointed, but I've never really let myself get too pressured 00:36:09.130 --> 00:36:12.964 Brian Wringer: into like, oh, well, people are going to be disappointed if I don't show up. 00:36:14.038 --> 00:36:18.179 Brian Wringer: Super grateful. And I know most people, I feel like I have a more awesome life 00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:21.457 Brian Wringer: than almost anybody I know because so many awesome people are in it. 00:36:21.921 --> 00:36:26.048 Brian Wringer: So we have, you know, all these people I ride with are amazing and it's always great to be around them. 00:36:26.507 --> 00:36:32.260 Brian Wringer: One year, my leg was, I'd broken my leg and I showed up anyway in a car. 00:36:32.718 --> 00:36:35.799 Brian Wringer: I've done that a few times, you know, show up anyway and, you know, 00:36:35.799 --> 00:36:41.319 Brian Wringer: and I can't, I can't go ride, but I can hang out and enjoy the company. Take what works for you. 00:36:41.959 --> 00:36:44.759 Brian Wringer: Don't do what doesn't work. Push yourself a little bit. 00:36:45.785 --> 00:36:48.629 Brian Wringer: Like for Missouri, I pushed myself a little bit and it was totally worth it. 00:36:48.629 --> 00:36:51.155 Brian Wringer: It was fine. And we mixed things up. 00:36:51.614 --> 00:36:55.749 Brian Wringer: Like one of the routes, I modified it a little bit, just not to go on different 00:36:55.749 --> 00:36:58.375 Brian Wringer: roads because that's been set up. 00:36:58.822 --> 00:37:02.439 Brian Wringer: But we rode it backwards and then did some different things at the other end, 00:37:02.439 --> 00:37:05.196 Brian Wringer: that kind of thing. So it made it a little more interesting. 00:37:05.655 --> 00:37:08.267 Brian Wringer: I've ridden those routes in Missouri at least 10 times. 00:37:08.731 --> 00:37:12.459 Brian Wringer: And I didn't have any idea when I was riding it backwards. I didn't have any 00:37:12.459 --> 00:37:16.669 Brian Wringer: idea where the next, where the next gas was, where the next rest stop or the 00:37:16.669 --> 00:37:18.849 Brian Wringer: next, you know, I had no idea. 00:37:19.314 --> 00:37:21.421 Brian Wringer: So that was, that made it interesting. It made it kind of fun. 00:37:21.851 --> 00:37:23.406 Robin Dean: I think we need to blow up Berea. 00:37:23.859 --> 00:37:24.887 Brian Wringer: Yeah. That's going to be a hoot. 00:37:25.345 --> 00:37:27.760 Robin Dean: Any direction East, like just go. 00:37:28.213 --> 00:37:28.590 Brian Wringer: Oh yeah. 00:37:29.014 --> 00:37:33.399 Robin Dean: I really think that the numbers need to be absolutely inflated for this. 00:37:33.399 --> 00:37:36.648 Robin Dean: We got to do it. It is, I'm going to make no plans. 00:37:37.106 --> 00:37:42.599 Robin Dean: I don't know that I intend to follow anyone. I think I won't be doing that much, 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.680 Robin Dean: but I will invite a really good friend to, 00:37:46.226 --> 00:37:53.031 Robin Dean: disappear to the east and just go why should every rally be well here are your. 00:37:53.031 --> 00:37:54.231 Brian Wringer: Routes it should 00:37:54.231 --> 00:37:57.871 Robin Dean: Be let's go freaking scout on. 00:37:57.871 --> 00:38:00.451 Brian Wringer: Site that way see what we find figure it out 00:38:00.451 --> 00:38:06.051 Robin Dean: Yeah man there's just too many roads this is the core of all things let's not 00:38:06.051 --> 00:38:11.958 Robin Dean: talk about it those roads are paved moon shining let's go make the most of it you know what i mean. 00:38:12.422 --> 00:38:17.301 Brian Wringer: Gonna be awesome so yeah we talked about keeping things fresh and and and mixing 00:38:17.301 --> 00:38:20.172 Brian Wringer: things up on the routes you know change things around i'll give an example 00:38:20.631 --> 00:38:24.961 Brian Wringer: for for several years with the vintage suzuki guys we all met in robbinsville 00:38:24.961 --> 00:38:29.781 Brian Wringer: and we kind of did the same things and then that sort of drifted apart and then 00:38:29.781 --> 00:38:33.231 Brian Wringer: we started uh some of us started going to newport tennessee which is on the 00:38:33.231 --> 00:38:35.114 Brian Wringer: other side of the smoky mountains and there 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:39.979 Brian Wringer: there are you know no nobody on a motorcycle really knows about it but the roads are just as awesome. 00:38:40.437 --> 00:38:44.651 Brian Wringer: And we also, like, we usually alternate dirt year with a street year, 00:38:44.651 --> 00:38:45.911 Brian Wringer: that kind of thing. You know, just... 00:38:46.381 --> 00:38:49.654 Brian Wringer: Mix it up, keep it fresh, keep sending out the emails, you know, 00:38:49.654 --> 00:38:52.313 Brian Wringer: and, and, and seeing who shows up and it's always a good time. 00:38:52.765 --> 00:38:56.814 Brian Wringer: I'm incredibly lucky and I'm incredibly grateful to have all these people and 00:38:56.814 --> 00:39:00.534 Brian Wringer: all these opportunities and, and, and the time and the motorcycles and the, 00:39:00.534 --> 00:39:05.964 Brian Wringer: and the stacks of tires and all that to, to do all these incredible things. 00:39:05.964 --> 00:39:07.494 Brian Wringer: I'll, you know, it'll be, it's, it's fantastic. 00:39:07.524 --> 00:39:10.844 Brian Wringer: You have to pace yourself. I think, you know, if you, if you're going to eat 00:39:10.844 --> 00:39:12.920 Brian Wringer: ice cream all day, every day, you have to pace yourself. 00:39:13.267 --> 00:39:16.704 Brian Wringer: You have to do your exercises, you know, and get through it. but God, it's worth it. 00:39:17.162 --> 00:39:20.024 Robin Dean: If you have to step back long enough to get a taste for it again, 00:39:20.024 --> 00:39:23.386 Robin Dean: give yourself a week or a month or whatever, go ahead. 00:39:23.845 --> 00:39:26.235 Robin Dean: Just don't let the, don't let the skills fizzle out. 00:39:26.694 --> 00:39:30.064 Brian Wringer: Yeah. And like every year, you know, about January, February, 00:39:30.064 --> 00:39:35.984 Brian Wringer: you know, we're physically shaking because it's, I got to get out and enjoy 00:39:35.984 --> 00:39:40.911 Brian Wringer: it when you can take what you can, when you can get it or do what Robin does and go somewhere warm. 00:39:41.376 --> 00:39:44.638 Brian Wringer: Go hide, go hide somewhere warmer. Absolutely. 00:39:45.097 --> 00:39:50.871 Brian Wringer: All right, let's move on to Segment 2, Maps to Apps, Curviger Edition. 00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:54.626 Robin Dean: And we'll do this. You said Curviger, Curviger, I don't know. 00:39:55.027 --> 00:39:55.706 Brian Wringer: Which one is it? 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:56.989 Robin Dean: Curviger. 00:39:57.181 --> 00:39:58.527 Brian Wringer: Is it like Swedish or something? 00:39:58.992 --> 00:39:59.642 Robin Dean: Curviger. 00:40:00.106 --> 00:40:00.635 Brian Wringer: Curviger. 00:40:01.105 --> 00:40:04.364 Robin Dean: I'm going to bang this out because I think Segment 3 is more interesting, 00:40:04.364 --> 00:40:08.077 Robin Dean: but I wanted to at least get warmed up to what I want to do with the apps out there. 00:40:08.471 --> 00:40:13.765 Robin Dean: You know, and I do really think I like that idea about the 81 miles of zero app. 00:40:14.224 --> 00:40:16.464 Robin Dean: You know, maybe you put some music in your helmet if you want. 00:40:16.464 --> 00:40:18.973 Robin Dean: Do whatever you like, but go explore. 00:40:19.182 --> 00:40:23.268 Robin Dean: Use your eyes, use your ears, and feel something new. 00:40:23.721 --> 00:40:26.524 Robin Dean: That's not what this is about. This is about when you return to the tech, 00:40:26.524 --> 00:40:28.348 Robin Dean: which, hey, it can be pretty dang handy. 00:40:28.812 --> 00:40:30.699 Robin Dean: Potato, potato, whatever feels good, what doesn't. 00:40:31.170 --> 00:40:35.407 Robin Dean: Curviger edition, here's the deal. I've used Curviger in the past. 00:40:35.866 --> 00:40:42.635 Robin Dean: When I first learned of the website, that's all it was. It was a very weird, 00:40:43.087 --> 00:40:46.878 Robin Dean: hodgepodge, geocities sort of slapped together. 00:40:47.244 --> 00:40:47.615 Brian Wringer: It was like 00:40:48.033 --> 00:40:52.026 Robin Dean: The MySpace era of, we'll build a route for you. 00:40:52.484 --> 00:40:57.520 Robin Dean: And all it did was basically analyze known legal lines of what was the equivalent 00:40:57.520 --> 00:41:01.850 Robin Dean: of a road and try to come up with a way to either find the direct route, 00:41:01.850 --> 00:41:06.649 Robin Dean: find the slightly curvy, find the moderately curvy, or find the absolute twistiest. 00:41:07.107 --> 00:41:10.680 Robin Dean: Of course, I went right to the absolute twistiest. In a word of our good friend 00:41:10.680 --> 00:41:15.420 Robin Dean: GBW, if your motorcycle has three riding modes and the top mode is nuclear, 00:41:15.884 --> 00:41:19.170 Robin Dean: are there really any other riding modes that you're ever going to use? 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.410 Robin Dean: Exactly. So in this case, here's what I have to say about Curviger as it stands 00:41:24.410 --> 00:41:26.780 Robin Dean: now. The website has improved. 00:41:27.227 --> 00:41:28.615 Robin Dean: The app, 00:41:29.154 --> 00:41:35.481 Robin Dean: is existing and it has navigation on a turn-by-turn basis, TLDR, 00:41:35.945 --> 00:41:38.169 Robin Dean: out of five stars, I give it 4.25. 00:41:38.616 --> 00:41:39.968 Robin Dean: It's really doing it. 00:41:40.427 --> 00:41:45.286 Robin Dean: They've got it, but they're also kind of honest and you've got to be honest with yourself. 00:41:45.738 --> 00:41:51.583 Robin Dean: They limit the interaction with what they do to a level where it's like you 00:41:51.583 --> 00:41:54.439 Robin Dean: can feel the risk and that's okay. 00:41:54.625 --> 00:42:00.720 Robin Dean: It aims to be fast on the route generation and it succeeds it really does succeed in generating, 00:42:01.178 --> 00:42:07.563 Robin Dean: a solid route pretty quickly now with the right pavement landscape meaning places 00:42:07.563 --> 00:42:12.893 Robin Dean: where curves really happen where they're plentiful right 90 excellent. 00:42:13.056 --> 00:42:14.571 Brian Wringer: That's a trick that's a trick yeah 00:42:15.029 --> 00:42:17.843 Robin Dean: It does a great job it's like okay are you in a place where there are turns 00:42:17.843 --> 00:42:20.913 Robin Dean: and you would like to do something different it'll find something different 00:42:20.913 --> 00:42:23.993 Robin Dean: that you may not have known about be like this is lesser known and it's still 00:42:23.993 --> 00:42:26.256 Robin Dean: paved Don't worry about it. But it had to be built. 00:42:26.709 --> 00:42:30.483 Robin Dean: The road was necessary and people might not know about it, but there it is for 00:42:30.483 --> 00:42:34.070 Robin Dean: you to go check out. It was built just for you. Go have some fun, right? 00:42:34.540 --> 00:42:34.795 Brian Wringer: Yeah. 00:42:35.109 --> 00:42:40.443 Robin Dean: But I'm going to say right now, 10% demotion, which is what arrived at my, 00:42:40.443 --> 00:42:46.073 Robin Dean: you know, 4.25 by a single event on the way back home from Indianapolis after 00:42:46.073 --> 00:42:48.024 Robin Dean: meeting Officer Robert, a good friend. 00:42:48.587 --> 00:42:55.077 Robin Dean: It's got a quick and dirty method to generate a solid ride, and it's pretty damn good. 00:42:55.529 --> 00:43:01.250 Robin Dean: And if you don't dig the result, you can export the GPX file and import it into 00:43:01.250 --> 00:43:08.869 Robin Dean: your favorite GPX editing environment or GPX import compatible environment and improve the result. 00:43:09.316 --> 00:43:15.359 Robin Dean: Now, the downsides, it's pretty tedious to traverse, mostly backwards. 00:43:15.812 --> 00:43:23.277 Robin Dean: I go generator route to my freaking mailbox. Right now, I am west of Cordon by a good few miles. 00:43:23.742 --> 00:43:27.898 Robin Dean: 62 is still a lot of fun. I just want to go to my UPS box. 00:43:28.362 --> 00:43:32.020 Robin Dean: I create the route, and the result is pretty damn good. 00:43:32.478 --> 00:43:37.000 Robin Dean: The downside to that is that I couldn't really get it to accept the address 00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:38.475 Robin Dean: that I wanted it to accept. 00:43:38.858 --> 00:43:42.643 Robin Dean: It's a legitimate address, but they're just like, nope, too complicated. 00:43:44.662 --> 00:43:48.950 Robin Dean: Well take it to floyd's knobs though right i get there and now it's time to 00:43:48.950 --> 00:43:53.311 Robin Dean: stop navigation and to stop navigation i have to, 00:43:53.775 --> 00:44:01.664 Robin Dean: stop navigation okay continue ride no finish ride okay do you want to save the route, 00:44:02.129 --> 00:44:05.210 Robin Dean: i didn't want to save the route to begin with but don't worry because in the 00:44:05.210 --> 00:44:07.069 Robin Dean: top right-hand corner there's an, 00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:15.921 Robin Dean: x it's hard to see because it's the same ratio of size to your screen as the, 00:44:16.479 --> 00:44:21.489 Robin Dean: Earth is to the sun. And I don't know if you know this, but when you actually 00:44:21.489 --> 00:44:24.984 Robin Dean: look at the real physical size of our planet compared to the sun, 00:44:25.245 --> 00:44:26.852 Robin Dean: you can barely freaking see it. 00:44:27.311 --> 00:44:32.149 Robin Dean: You have to do all that just to get back to the next move. So kind of a process 00:44:32.149 --> 00:44:33.052 Robin Dean: there. That's a downside. 00:44:33.506 --> 00:44:35.775 Robin Dean: It could use some options for fine tuning. 00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:36.548 Brian Wringer: Sure. 00:44:37.086 --> 00:44:41.099 Robin Dean: Are you doing 75 miles an hour in 40 feet? Turn right. 00:44:41.989 --> 00:44:46.814 Robin Dean: The zoom points are a little bit off and it can be a little bit too creative in the flat lands. 00:44:47.273 --> 00:44:49.699 Robin Dean: If you're in a flat state, it 00:44:49.699 --> 00:44:54.401 Robin Dean: will maybe try to use somebody's living room as an apex. Get to know it. 00:44:55.309 --> 00:44:59.278 Robin Dean: If you're in a flat state, use it. Love it. Appreciate that it exists. 00:44:59.603 --> 00:45:04.427 Robin Dean: Export the result, edit the result to your needs elsewhere, import into a different, 00:45:04.885 --> 00:45:07.120 Robin Dean: turn-by-turn direction app and go about your business. 00:45:07.585 --> 00:45:11.277 Robin Dean: I'm giving it 4.25 more once I learn it a bit better. 00:45:11.741 --> 00:45:15.259 Robin Dean: I think it's cool. I would never rely on it for any of our commercial tours. 00:45:15.259 --> 00:45:20.385 Robin Dean: That's a real effort there, but mostly I think it's fantastic. 00:45:20.849 --> 00:45:27.479 Robin Dean: And the only down for me that demoted it to that level was when it found the 00:45:27.479 --> 00:45:31.189 Robin Dean: good 15 miles of gravel that it thought were paved. And I'm on a street bike 00:45:31.189 --> 00:45:34.752 Robin Dean: that I do not want to mess the paint upon. So there you go. Nice. 00:45:35.297 --> 00:45:36.835 Brian Wringer: Yeah, it's a great idea generator. 00:45:37.288 --> 00:45:41.153 Robin Dean: Which brings us to what I've been looking forward to most. Segment three, 00:45:41.153 --> 00:45:43.434 Robin Dean: Brian's Tidy Tasty Tool Tips. 00:45:43.898 --> 00:45:46.487 Robin Dean: One or two per episode. 00:45:46.952 --> 00:45:47.602 Robin Dean: What are we calling it? 00:45:48.066 --> 00:45:50.127 Brian Wringer: We're calling this the Thread Files. 00:45:50.452 --> 00:45:51.660 Robin Dean: Files, files, files. 00:45:52.118 --> 00:45:57.192 Brian Wringer: Friend of a friend got in touch and he had an old Honda that he had put new wheel bearings in. 00:45:57.645 --> 00:46:01.983 Brian Wringer: But there's old Hondas have this weird retainer mechanism where there's a big 00:46:01.983 --> 00:46:06.857 Brian Wringer: aluminum disc and it's threaded around the edge. and it threads into the wheel. 00:46:07.310 --> 00:46:11.993 Brian Wringer: No one knows why. The bearings are a press fit, just like they are in any other 00:46:11.993 --> 00:46:15.820 Brian Wringer: motorcycle, and on millions of other motorcycles, the bearings have never gone anywhere. 00:46:16.279 --> 00:46:19.976 Brian Wringer: But anyway, Honda figured you needed to have this screw-in retainer, 00:46:20.371 --> 00:46:23.883 Brian Wringer: aluminum thread on aluminum thread, and then it's staked into place. 00:46:24.348 --> 00:46:28.690 Brian Wringer: It's just doomed. Decades later, you know, he got the plug out, 00:46:29.148 --> 00:46:33.792 Brian Wringer: and the threads are kind of mangled, and he couldn't get the retainer to thread back in. 00:46:34.245 --> 00:46:36.242 Brian Wringer: New retainers are really hard to find. 00:46:36.701 --> 00:46:39.962 Brian Wringer: They're very expensive when you do find them. It's a common problem. 00:46:40.420 --> 00:46:45.273 Brian Wringer: Anyway, that was the situation. So we had a thread that was not a bolt or a standard diameter. 00:46:45.709 --> 00:46:50.916 Brian Wringer: It was a very large diameter, and it was a 1.5 millimeter thread pitch. 00:46:51.281 --> 00:46:54.892 Brian Wringer: It was a standard thread pitch, but it was a really weird non-standard diameter. 00:46:55.264 --> 00:46:59.635 Brian Wringer: We had a part with threads on the outside, and we had a wheel with the threads on the inside. 00:47:00.088 --> 00:47:06.700 Robin Dean: Weird. So we have a term that we laugh at in the music industry called jazzical. 00:47:07.623 --> 00:47:07.855 Brian Wringer: Yeah. 00:47:08.313 --> 00:47:14.803 Robin Dean: The most rigidly boring people from the realm of the beautiful world of classical 00:47:14.803 --> 00:47:21.073 Robin Dean: music compose their improvisations to be played over bad swing grooves. 00:47:21.537 --> 00:47:25.560 Robin Dean: Then they bring actual jazz musicians in to perform this shit. 00:47:26.024 --> 00:47:27.702 Robin Dean: It's the most terrible blend. 00:47:28.155 --> 00:47:31.621 Brian Wringer: Yeah, what was Honda thinking? I don't know. Especially back in the day, 00:47:31.621 --> 00:47:35.181 Brian Wringer: they had the world's finest engineers and why they felt like there was a problem 00:47:35.181 --> 00:47:36.241 Brian Wringer: that needed to be solved here. 00:47:36.698 --> 00:47:40.791 Brian Wringer: So we solved the problem. How do we do that? I want to bring to your attention 00:47:41.111 --> 00:47:44.861 Brian Wringer: a tool that most people don't have and most people don't know about, 00:47:44.861 --> 00:47:46.880 Brian Wringer: I've learned, called a thread file. 00:47:47.333 --> 00:47:51.221 Brian Wringer: And this is a thread file. I'm holding it up in front of the camera. 00:47:51.221 --> 00:47:52.575 Brian Wringer: Maybe we can get a picture of it. 00:47:53.038 --> 00:47:56.430 Brian Wringer: It's rectangular or it's square and cross-section and it's a long, 00:47:56.895 --> 00:48:00.877 Brian Wringer: It's a stick, and on each of the faces, so there are eight different faces, 00:48:01.342 --> 00:48:07.010 Brian Wringer: top and bottom, and it has a jagged edge that you can run over threads to clean 00:48:07.010 --> 00:48:10.705 Brian Wringer: up anything that's in the threads and to help kind of massage 00:48:11.169 --> 00:48:16.539 Brian Wringer: The metal back into place and also file off any extra metal or burrs or anything like that. 00:48:16.986 --> 00:48:20.960 Brian Wringer: There's one kind of thread file that's really common, and you use it on external threads. 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:25.240 Brian Wringer: So if you need to clean up, like a common use case in motorcycles is if your 00:48:25.240 --> 00:48:30.520 Brian Wringer: rear axle threads are all messed up, or if you're working on the swing arm and 00:48:30.520 --> 00:48:32.485 Brian Wringer: you had trouble getting the pivot bolt out. 00:48:32.938 --> 00:48:35.770 Brian Wringer: If one end is kind of mushroomed or the threads are kind of messed up, 00:48:36.228 --> 00:48:41.200 Brian Wringer: you can take this and you can file around the threads and get those cleaned 00:48:41.200 --> 00:48:42.537 Brian Wringer: up and get them working again. 00:48:42.996 --> 00:48:48.150 Brian Wringer: However, if you have internal threads and they're not a standard type where 00:48:48.150 --> 00:48:52.330 Brian Wringer: you can get a tap that fits them, then there's another kind of thread file called 00:48:52.330 --> 00:48:53.562 Brian Wringer: an internal thread file. 00:48:53.980 --> 00:48:58.430 Brian Wringer: And this has a little barrel on each end with different thread pitches where 00:48:58.430 --> 00:49:03.670 Brian Wringer: you can actually stand it up in the thread and then go around in circles to 00:49:03.670 --> 00:49:05.380 Brian Wringer: clean out that internal thread. 00:49:05.839 --> 00:49:09.670 Brian Wringer: Anyway, you should be aware these exist. If you have non-standard threads where 00:49:09.670 --> 00:49:14.285 Brian Wringer: you don't have a tap or you don't have a thread repair tool that fits that hole specifically, 00:49:14.739 --> 00:49:21.080 Brian Wringer: I got my internal thread file from McMaster Car, and it was expensive. 00:49:21.080 --> 00:49:28.292 Brian Wringer: It was about $70 to my door, about $55 for the thread file and in tax and shipping. 00:49:28.751 --> 00:49:31.850 Brian Wringer: But yeah, if you're getting into work on vintage bikes, if you're getting into 00:49:31.850 --> 00:49:36.680 Brian Wringer: kind of some advanced work on motorcycles, getting things working where you 00:49:36.680 --> 00:49:40.730 Brian Wringer: may not be able to get spare parts, you know, having at least an external thread 00:49:40.730 --> 00:49:43.651 Brian Wringer: file, they're pretty cheap and they're easy to find on Amazon. 00:49:44.115 --> 00:49:47.407 Brian Wringer: Getting an external thread file will bail you out of a lot of situations, 00:49:47.628 --> 00:49:49.137 Brian Wringer: help you clean up a lot of threads. 00:49:49.595 --> 00:49:52.400 Brian Wringer: And then getting an internal thread file is kind of that next step. 00:49:53.020 --> 00:49:57.055 Brian Wringer: I didn't have one until this problem presented itself. I knew I needed one, 00:49:57.513 --> 00:50:00.515 Brian Wringer: but that was my motivation to order it. 00:50:00.978 --> 00:50:04.177 Brian Wringer: And there are other thread repair tools out there. There's taps and dyes, 00:50:04.177 --> 00:50:07.694 Brian Wringer: and then there are thread restoring sets. 00:50:07.822 --> 00:50:09.749 Robin Dean: That's the trick. Is that the chaser? 00:50:10.016 --> 00:50:13.427 Brian Wringer: Yeah, like you can basically get sets of chasers. So it looks like a set of 00:50:13.427 --> 00:50:15.917 Brian Wringer: taps and dyes, but they're a little gentler. 00:50:15.917 --> 00:50:19.229 Brian Wringer: They don't really cut the metal. They kind of move it back into place, 00:50:19.693 --> 00:50:25.475 Brian Wringer: and they'll also kind of scrape out any thread lock or gunk or burrs that are in the threads. 00:50:25.939 --> 00:50:31.871 Robin Dean: Let's say that they do that. You've compromised the metal. There's fatigue involved. 00:50:32.324 --> 00:50:36.468 Robin Dean: You can't throw caution in the wind anymore with it. What does compromise mean in this case? 00:50:37.567 --> 00:50:41.850 Brian Wringer: If you're removing metal or if you're smoothing out where metal was damaged, 00:50:42.314 --> 00:50:45.408 Brian Wringer: yeah, you're losing some strength. So you really have to evaluate that. 00:50:45.873 --> 00:50:50.437 Brian Wringer: Like if you're restoring the threads on something like a rear axle and they 00:50:50.437 --> 00:50:55.282 Brian Wringer: were pretty mangled and you had to move and remove a lot of metal, 00:50:55.747 --> 00:50:58.367 Brian Wringer: there's a lot of margin in most threaded fasteners. 00:50:58.367 --> 00:51:03.166 Brian Wringer: Like they're many times stronger than they need to be to, to be safe and hold the object. 00:51:03.630 --> 00:51:07.417 Brian Wringer: There are times, yeah, where it's a safety critical item where there's a lot 00:51:07.417 --> 00:51:09.227 Brian Wringer: of torque on it, where, you know, 00:51:09.627 --> 00:51:12.465 Brian Wringer: okay, it's time for a new part here, that kind of thing. 00:51:12.930 --> 00:51:17.690 Brian Wringer: For example, like if you're working on kind of cleaning out the threads in a 00:51:18.148 --> 00:51:22.258 Brian Wringer: clutch cover, there's probably eight or 10 other fasteners holding that on. 00:51:22.560 --> 00:51:27.389 Brian Wringer: So basically, as long as you can get that fastener to thread in and hold with 00:51:27.389 --> 00:51:30.993 Brian Wringer: some level of torque, it's going to be fine. It's not going to be safety critical. 00:51:31.452 --> 00:51:35.639 Brian Wringer: This stupid retainer on this Honda, frankly, it probably doesn't need to be 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:40.209 Brian Wringer: there at all because millions of other motorcycles, including later model Hondas, 00:51:40.209 --> 00:51:41.779 Brian Wringer: don't use these stupid retainers. 00:51:41.779 --> 00:51:44.989 Brian Wringer: So, you know, just for completeness sake, we wanted to fix this. 00:51:44.989 --> 00:51:46.951 Brian Wringer: You know, we wanted to do it right. 00:51:47.416 --> 00:51:51.329 Brian Wringer: And so that one has, there's like no stress on it at all. It just needs to thread 00:51:51.329 --> 00:51:54.486 Brian Wringer: in and stay there. And so, yeah, you do need to think about that. 00:51:54.945 --> 00:51:59.499 Brian Wringer: If you chase the threads on a spark plug hole, for example, you can reach a 00:51:59.499 --> 00:52:04.279 Brian Wringer: point where, okay, this is too mangled. even though I got the chaser in there, 00:52:04.668 --> 00:52:06.584 Brian Wringer: a lot of shavings came out with it. 00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:10.759 Brian Wringer: I need to think about doing a better repair. And that's when you would move 00:52:10.759 --> 00:52:15.071 Brian Wringer: to something like a time, like a solid thread insert where you drill it, 00:52:15.460 --> 00:52:19.689 Brian Wringer: you tap it, you screw in an insert, and then that becomes your new threads for 00:52:19.689 --> 00:52:21.706 Brian Wringer: your, happens with drain pans a lot. 00:52:22.170 --> 00:52:26.169 Brian Wringer: So thread file is not a good solution or a thread restorer is not a good solution 00:52:26.169 --> 00:52:29.599 Brian Wringer: for drain pans a lot of times because yeah, when those strip out, 00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:34.429 Brian Wringer: there's too much metal that's gone. So you'd need to replace the threads with 00:52:34.429 --> 00:52:36.391 Brian Wringer: an insert or replace the part. 00:52:36.850 --> 00:52:40.819 Brian Wringer: That's a good point. Look up thread files. Get yourself at least a basic one 00:52:40.819 --> 00:52:43.468 Brian Wringer: if you do any work on vintage motorcycles or whatever. 00:52:43.932 --> 00:52:46.788 Brian Wringer: Those are the thread files. Go out and get yourself a thread file. 00:52:47.247 --> 00:52:50.819 Brian Wringer: We could go on for days about thread inserts. We could go on for days about 00:52:50.819 --> 00:52:54.218 Brian Wringer: thread restorers. We could go on for days about thread measuring, but we won't. 00:52:54.683 --> 00:52:57.729 Brian Wringer: Get yourself a thread file. It's not just a tooltip. It's tiny. 00:52:57.729 --> 00:52:58.828 Brian Wringer: It's supposed to be tiny, damn it. 00:52:59.292 --> 00:53:06.008 Brian Wringer: All right. It's time for the wind down. We think about it. We talk about it. We've chewed it over. 00:53:06.474 --> 00:53:07.999 Brian Wringer: What are we going to talk about next? 00:53:08.458 --> 00:53:12.163 Robin Dean: Motorcycle society and philosophies behind that. 00:53:12.621 --> 00:53:18.249 Robin Dean: Those who don't need to be learned nothing gooder to those who have properly 00:53:18.249 --> 00:53:22.663 Robin Dean: contained themselves within the exact diagram of the curriculum that they've, 00:53:23.121 --> 00:53:25.165 Robin Dean: fully subscribed to and no other curriculum. 00:53:25.605 --> 00:53:27.567 Robin Dean: This is a hard world to witness. 00:53:28.014 --> 00:53:34.799 Robin Dean: I would like to come up with an optimistic way to go about discussing training 00:53:34.799 --> 00:53:40.289 Robin Dean: culture as it applies to being the student from the perspective of those who 00:53:40.289 --> 00:53:42.956 Robin Dean: would do the training. It sounds complicated. It's a lot. 00:53:43.414 --> 00:53:48.139 Robin Dean: This is hard. The Motorcycle Safety Foundation, I wrote an article that it did 00:53:48.139 --> 00:53:53.376 Robin Dean: some upset work for some people about like, I'm upset. 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:54.810 Brian Wringer: Anyway, go on. 00:53:55.639 --> 00:54:02.159 Robin Dean: The rider coach guide specifically states that all motorcycling means there's 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.251 Robin Dean: so much more to relatability. 00:54:06.710 --> 00:54:13.246 Robin Dean: That's a previous episode subject where I went on my rant. Are curriculums bubbled off? 00:54:13.705 --> 00:54:17.519 Robin Dean: I'm going to see this writer coach tour this weekend with a good friend. 00:54:17.977 --> 00:54:22.981 Robin Dean: My question is, do MSF writer coaches know that it's a culture? 00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:29.869 Robin Dean: Do they know the ineffectiveness of belching back curriculum rhetoric whenever 00:54:29.869 --> 00:54:31.734 Robin Dean: they're challenged by a subject. 00:54:32.181 --> 00:54:35.722 Robin Dean: Before I say any of this, I really hold the curriculum high. 00:54:36.169 --> 00:54:43.989 Robin Dean: It is my go-to for all things brass tacks truth, but there are nuances to the 00:54:43.989 --> 00:54:47.355 Robin Dean: conversation that can take place if people will let them. 00:54:47.802 --> 00:54:50.008 Robin Dean: And I brought this up. 00:54:50.837 --> 00:54:57.966 Robin Dean: A certain level of laughter and applause and a massive level of stoicism where, 00:54:58.430 --> 00:55:02.523 Robin Dean: I know MSF rider coaches who can ride, 00:55:02.987 --> 00:55:10.261 Robin Dean: many laps around me with skill, whether it's at the track or in a cone course 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.632 Robin Dean: or in a stunting environment, they're just better. 00:55:15.177 --> 00:55:21.742 Robin Dean: And on the other side, I know people who are capable of judging your performance 00:55:21.742 --> 00:55:29.567 Robin Dean: and deciding whether or not you get a license waiver, who I look at and I think, you've got a license? 00:55:30.025 --> 00:55:32.307 Robin Dean: You've got a license to ride a motorcycle? 00:55:33.619 --> 00:55:39.981 Robin Dean: If these are the boundaries, if the boundaries are superheroes by my standards, 00:55:40.434 --> 00:55:44.311 Robin Dean: versus the lowest common denominator, 00:55:44.776 --> 00:55:51.341 Robin Dean: with a badge, is there a way to communicate to the entire collective that, 00:55:51.835 --> 00:56:00.293 Robin Dean: the only difference between the students and the instructor is the person holding the cards? 00:56:00.606 --> 00:56:03.369 Robin Dean: The message isn't just for the students. 00:56:03.828 --> 00:56:06.585 Robin Dean: It's for us. It's for the person reading them. 00:56:06.951 --> 00:56:11.392 Robin Dean: We may be better at processing the information or relaying the information, 00:56:11.850 --> 00:56:16.285 Robin Dean: expressing the information, whatever the situation needs. 00:56:16.744 --> 00:56:23.041 Robin Dean: But are the morons aware? You know, this gets into Dunning-Kruger stuff. 00:56:24.563 --> 00:56:29.065 Robin Dean: That they are also the student. I'm like average. 00:56:30.225 --> 00:56:36.661 Robin Dean: I am amazingly like, wow, you'll be impressed with how average I am. 00:56:37.096 --> 00:56:42.518 Robin Dean: Are the people 20 shelves above me still self-aware enough to know, 00:56:42.675 --> 00:56:44.433 Robin Dean: yeah, these cards mean something to me as well? 00:56:44.898 --> 00:56:47.295 Robin Dean: It'll be open discussion. I'm not even sure I'll outline it. 00:56:47.295 --> 00:56:48.654 Robin Dean: I just want to have the talk. 00:56:49.107 --> 00:56:52.745 Robin Dean: Most importantly, and this has been hard for me, is when I see people that I 00:56:52.745 --> 00:56:55.465 Robin Dean: hold in high regard who I feel they know more than I do. 00:56:55.805 --> 00:56:57.901 Robin Dean: I feel they see me as a clown. 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:02.475 Robin Dean: Is it beneficial for any of us to challenge the established, 00:57:02.475 --> 00:57:06.254 Robin Dean: quote, no knowns, unquote, of any curriculum? 00:57:06.701 --> 00:57:12.030 Robin Dean: Are people capable of handling and relating to whatever is new to them? 00:57:12.501 --> 00:57:15.153 Robin Dean: This gets into the Pink Floyd Rush shit I was telling you about. 00:57:15.606 --> 00:57:18.340 Robin Dean: If only these kids would learn about Pink Floyd and Rush. 00:57:18.512 --> 00:57:21.039 Robin Dean: Reminds me of Rush. Reminds me of Pink Floyd. 00:57:21.368 --> 00:57:26.605 Robin Dean: You know, shut the fuck up. Are you capable of being authentic and relatable? 00:57:27.057 --> 00:57:28.092 Robin Dean: Let's have that discussion. 00:57:28.543 --> 00:57:32.405 Brian Wringer: That's interesting. Yeah, in a lot of fields, coaching is an entirely separate 00:57:32.405 --> 00:57:34.969 Brian Wringer: skill from doing whatever you're teaching. 00:57:35.422 --> 00:57:36.248 Robin Dean: It's a whole different handle. 00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:41.595 Brian Wringer: There are probably people who can't ride a motorcycle or don't ride a motorcycle 00:57:41.595 --> 00:57:47.003 Brian Wringer: at all that are fantastic. I bet there's fantastic writer coaches who do not write at all. 00:57:47.457 --> 00:57:48.588 Robin Dean: It's absolutely true. 00:57:49.047 --> 00:57:51.218 Brian Wringer: Just because you can write around in circles, you know. 00:57:51.670 --> 00:57:55.325 Robin Dean: And people that can't relate to people who are incredibly good writers can't 00:57:55.325 --> 00:57:57.070 Robin Dean: relate the information that's written right in front of them. 00:57:57.522 --> 00:57:58.636 Robin Dean: You flip the coin right there. 00:57:59.102 --> 00:58:01.469 Robin Dean: It's complicated. That's what I want to talk about next. 00:58:01.922 --> 00:58:04.082 Brian Wringer: All right. Robin, you ready to get out of here? 00:58:04.518 --> 00:58:05.138 Robin Dean: Let's get out of here.