WEBVTT 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:05.752 Robin Dean: In this episode, represent Zent. How can we bridge communication between seasoned, 00:02:05.977 --> 00:02:10.111 Robin Dean: skilled riders and would-be squids in a way that's mutually beneficial? 00:02:10.570 --> 00:02:15.452 Robin Dean: Joe Man Don brings us casual armor, ways to un-stormtrooper your riding attire. 00:02:15.841 --> 00:02:17.298 Robin Dean: And lastly, I'm not quite sure what. 00:02:17.751 --> 00:02:21.757 Robin Dean: We'll just reach into the grab bag yet. At any rate, opening announcements, 00:02:21.757 --> 00:02:23.945 Robin Dean: news, corrections, banter, all of that. 00:02:24.235 --> 00:02:26.261 Robin Dean: Random song of the minute, this round. 00:02:26.702 --> 00:02:32.844 Robin Dean: If you want to hear our random songs of the minute, visit radio.tro.bike in your web browser. 00:02:33.314 --> 00:02:37.888 Robin Dean: This time it's Steve Bike, parentheses, Stir It Up, by Tribe Called Quest. 00:02:38.260 --> 00:02:40.924 Robin Dean: For all reasons predictable, represent Zent. 00:02:41.371 --> 00:02:46.647 Brian Wringer: First item of news we thought was interesting. Cardo Ride Pro puts CarPlay and 00:02:46.647 --> 00:02:48.645 Brian Wringer: Android Auto on bike displays. 00:02:49.109 --> 00:02:50.769 Robin Dean: Comes to us from MotorcycleNews.com. 00:02:51.228 --> 00:02:56.697 Brian Wringer: Probably other places too but cardo they have a premium ride app and now that 00:02:56.697 --> 00:03:00.642 Brian Wringer: app can put navigation ride information on supported factory screens 00:03:01.101 --> 00:03:05.157 Brian Wringer: or aftermarket screens instead of leaving your phone just hanging out there 00:03:05.157 --> 00:03:06.261 Brian Wringer: on the bars in the weather 00:03:06.720 --> 00:03:11.577 Brian Wringer: very interesting and it's really interesting to see everybody sort of rally 00:03:11.577 --> 00:03:17.151 Brian Wringer: around carplay and android auto as a way to get data from hither to thither. 00:03:17.616 --> 00:03:23.577 Brian Wringer: So there's less phone juggling. We also wonder about having a dependency on 00:03:23.577 --> 00:03:27.587 Brian Wringer: a helmet communication company and yet another dashboard ecosystem, 00:03:27.587 --> 00:03:29.847 Brian Wringer: but we'll see what happens. Kind of interesting. 00:03:30.300 --> 00:03:34.257 Brian Wringer: Is it cleaner writing or is it just one more app and one more service between 00:03:34.257 --> 00:03:36.186 Brian Wringer: you and the pavement? Hard to tell. 00:03:36.721 --> 00:03:38.248 Robin Dean: We'll find out. 00:03:38.706 --> 00:03:39.682 Brian Wringer: Dun, dun, dun. 00:03:40.140 --> 00:03:46.241 Robin Dean: And then next up, Lobu turns crash bar luggage into an inflatable drop buffer. 00:03:46.671 --> 00:03:48.441 Robin Dean: This comes from bikewhale.com. 00:03:48.900 --> 00:03:50.160 Brian Wringer: I had to laugh at that one, yeah. 00:03:50.537 --> 00:03:55.436 Robin Dean: Right. The Wanderer uses two 6-liter bags on 25-millimeter crash bars, 00:03:55.901 --> 00:03:58.007 Robin Dean: each with an inflatable TPU chamber. 00:03:58.471 --> 00:04:02.581 Robin Dean: So Lobu claims at least a 300-kilogram, this is clearly coming from Europe, 00:04:03.290 --> 00:04:08.570 Robin Dean: bearing load, plus IPX7 waterproofing. The X means they didn't rate it for dust, 00:04:08.570 --> 00:04:11.503 Robin Dean: but seven for waterproofing. That's pretty hellaciously awesome. 00:04:11.962 --> 00:04:16.351 Robin Dean: Reflective panels and an anti-theft mount. It's a clever use of dead space. 00:04:16.809 --> 00:04:20.791 Robin Dean: Keep the pump and plug kit up front, then let the bag soften a parking lot nap. 00:04:21.204 --> 00:04:23.897 Robin Dean: The real question is whether an inflatable bag survives a scrape. 00:04:24.303 --> 00:04:27.740 Brian Wringer: And from what I could tell, I mean, they showed on a BMW GS. 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:32.090 Brian Wringer: It makes it about, what, 12 feet wide? Like you have to put a flag out? I don't know. 00:04:33.289 --> 00:04:36.558 Robin Dean: Just park it like a triangle isosceles. 00:04:37.022 --> 00:04:41.050 Brian Wringer: Hop off the bike and leave. From what I could tell, it's basically just an inflatable 00:04:41.050 --> 00:04:43.907 Brian Wringer: chamber, but it's not like an airbag. Is that correct? 00:04:44.354 --> 00:04:48.430 Robin Dean: Yeah, nothing like that. Not that I could tell. It does qualify as storage still, 00:04:48.430 --> 00:04:55.277 Robin Dean: but it just has all this padding and sort of a tougher air-packed outer membrane of a shell of some kind. 00:04:55.741 --> 00:04:59.932 Brian Wringer: Yeah, it could be good for off-road endeavors, unpaved endeavors. 00:05:00.397 --> 00:05:01.825 Brian Wringer: People are out there thinking, I love it. 00:05:02.277 --> 00:05:05.627 Robin Dean: This next one actually caters to a lot of what we'll be talking about during our segments. 00:05:06.091 --> 00:05:06.515 Brian Wringer: Sure. 00:05:07.037 --> 00:05:11.771 Brian Wringer: This is everywhere. The article we're looking at comes from ultimatemotorcycling.com, 00:05:11.771 --> 00:05:15.327 Brian Wringer: but it's kind of a press release you'll see in other places. 00:05:15.797 --> 00:05:21.649 Brian Wringer: So the Chrome Super Airflow is CEAA rated with level one shoulder and elbow armor. 00:05:22.113 --> 00:05:26.391 Brian Wringer: It's got a snap-down hood, so it's in a hoodie style, and enough mesh for the 00:05:26.391 --> 00:05:29.456 Brian Wringer: reviewer to use it in temperatures above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. 00:05:29.915 --> 00:05:34.891 Brian Wringer: List price is pretty friendly at $265. dollars they don't include a back protector 00:05:34.891 --> 00:05:41.687 Brian Wringer: but you can get those 50 60 70 bucks anywhere we got an alpine stars plasma nucleon 00:05:42.152 --> 00:05:48.321 Brian Wringer: turbo encabulator something anyway so anyway open hand pockets are a cargo so 00:05:48.321 --> 00:05:50.633 Brian Wringer: i guess they have pockets you can put all kinds of junk in 00:05:51.092 --> 00:05:54.591 Robin Dean: But what gets me is that it's a mesh system so it's like basically you can wear 00:05:54.591 --> 00:05:58.951 Robin Dean: a hoodie be casual about it look kind of normal or really get the questions 00:05:58.951 --> 00:06:01.951 Robin Dean: of aren't you hot and all that stuff But, 00:06:02.410 --> 00:06:06.741 Robin Dean: it looks basically like you're walking into a restaurant wearing normal attire. 00:06:07.193 --> 00:06:10.241 Brian Wringer: Like, I'm old and not cool at all, and we'll get to more of that. 00:06:10.241 --> 00:06:13.651 Brian Wringer: But I really don't understand why you'd want to wear something that looks like 00:06:13.651 --> 00:06:16.568 Brian Wringer: a hoodie instead of just wearing a motorcycle jacket. 00:06:16.731 --> 00:06:21.461 Brian Wringer: But it's an actual protective garment, and it doesn't make you look like a Power 00:06:21.461 --> 00:06:24.887 Brian Wringer: Ranger. It looks like, you know, just a normal garment, which is kind of cool. 00:06:25.346 --> 00:06:28.541 Brian Wringer: I'm just glad people are out there thinking, you know, and trying things. 00:06:28.541 --> 00:06:30.402 Brian Wringer: Like, hey, maybe someone will like this. 00:06:30.866 --> 00:06:33.983 Brian Wringer: And the pricing 265 bucks that's not bad 00:06:34.430 --> 00:06:38.461 Robin Dean: Yeah i'm hoping to get some of this nature at some point just for just so i 00:06:38.461 --> 00:06:43.111 Robin Dean: look like a normal person walking into a place rather than you know master chief 00:06:43.111 --> 00:06:45.646 Robin Dean: from halo but at any rate brian, 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:47.184 Robin Dean: Did you ride today? 00:06:47.637 --> 00:06:52.500 Brian Wringer: I did. Was it exciting? No. Was it a ride on a motorcycle? 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:56.993 Brian Wringer: Yes, it was. Went and picked up some motorcycle parts that finally came in. 00:06:57.452 --> 00:07:01.776 Brian Wringer: So basically, my FJ09 is a 2015. It is 11 years old. 00:07:02.241 --> 00:07:07.187 Brian Wringer: And I know from bitter experience that the radiator hoses on motorcycles start 00:07:07.187 --> 00:07:09.201 Brian Wringer: to get iffy around about now. 00:07:09.660 --> 00:07:12.597 Brian Wringer: And so that's one of the things I wanted to have on hand for the winter. 00:07:12.597 --> 00:07:17.235 Brian Wringer: And so, yeah, I ordered like $100 worth of funny rubber hoses, 00:07:17.699 --> 00:07:21.337 Brian Wringer: which is not bad. Yamaha parts prices are not bad. Anyway, went over to the 00:07:21.337 --> 00:07:22.686 Brian Wringer: motorcycle dealer, got that. 00:07:23.145 --> 00:07:26.297 Brian Wringer: For the first time this year, there was actually another dude on a motorcycle 00:07:26.297 --> 00:07:30.267 Brian Wringer: there. It's the weirdest thing. The motorcycle dealer and there's like pickups. 00:07:30.732 --> 00:07:32.241 Brian Wringer: I don't know what's going on over there. 00:07:32.711 --> 00:07:38.232 Brian Wringer: Getting ready to head to Missouri tomorrow to do a wonderful ride with some friends. 00:07:38.690 --> 00:07:41.633 Brian Wringer: More and more of my friends are retiring and it's kind of pissing me off. 00:07:42.092 --> 00:07:44.913 Brian Wringer: But some of us working stiffs are still there Loving it 00:07:45.430 --> 00:07:47.079 Robin Dean: And I'm still trying to get my first job. 00:07:49.147 --> 00:07:54.597 Brian Wringer: Job what's that it's one of those things where like i'm like man i don't want 00:07:54.597 --> 00:07:58.987 Brian Wringer: to deal with illinois because illinois is between me and missouri it just sucks 00:07:58.987 --> 00:08:03.859 Brian Wringer: but i'm going by myself i'm gonna trailer the parking lot i don't have anything to prove to anybody 00:08:04.323 --> 00:08:07.527 Brian Wringer: when we first started getting together there the hotel was rocking they had 00:08:07.527 --> 00:08:12.747 Brian Wringer: a bar and a restaurant that was good and it's just every year there's it's a 00:08:12.747 --> 00:08:17.274 Brian Wringer: little less so we'll see what we have this year it may be time to think about 00:08:17.738 --> 00:08:20.060 Brian Wringer: the Hampton or something in Farmington. 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:20.908 Robin Dean: I get it. 00:08:21.453 --> 00:08:25.567 Brian Wringer: And it's interesting, like we have a set of routes that Joe Canrardi put together 00:08:25.567 --> 00:08:30.347 Brian Wringer: years and years and years ago, and they're just fantastic, just the right length, 00:08:30.811 --> 00:08:32.167 Brian Wringer: really well-designed routes. 00:08:32.167 --> 00:08:36.257 Brian Wringer: He spent a lot of time on getting this figured out and actually went down there 00:08:36.257 --> 00:08:37.940 Brian Wringer: and, you know, and actually rode everything. 00:08:38.241 --> 00:08:42.187 Brian Wringer: Every time I try to improve on these routes, I end up like in a creek bed or 00:08:42.567 --> 00:08:45.487 Brian Wringer: on a gravel road, or it's a dead end on a mountain. 00:08:45.487 --> 00:08:46.363 Robin Dean: On a fan boat. 00:08:46.688 --> 00:08:51.357 Brian Wringer: Yeah, I end up at a swamp. We'll mix it up, ride different directions, 00:08:51.357 --> 00:08:53.129 Brian Wringer: try different things, that kind of thing. But yeah, it's... 00:08:53.667 --> 00:09:00.304 Brian Wringer: So yeah, highlights are like 34 is kind of that really sweeper mountain road with nobody on it. 00:09:00.768 --> 00:09:01.755 Robin Dean: Tons of runoff. 00:09:02.767 --> 00:09:03.056 Brian Wringer: 32... 00:09:03.584 --> 00:09:06.817 Brian Wringer: Letter Road, C, P, Double D, WW. 00:09:07.673 --> 00:09:11.663 Brian Wringer: It's going to be a blast. There's some great guys, people I've known for years 00:09:11.663 --> 00:09:12.413 Brian Wringer: that are going to be there. 00:09:12.872 --> 00:09:16.494 Robin Dean: Got to keep these things going. It's tradition, and we have to build on it. 00:09:16.953 --> 00:09:19.373 Brian Wringer: So the Kentucky crawl planning is underway. 00:09:19.832 --> 00:09:20.453 Robin Dean: Yes. 00:09:20.854 --> 00:09:24.243 Brian Wringer: Berea, Kentucky, moving the base of it. Because if you look at a map, 00:09:24.243 --> 00:09:29.306 Brian Wringer: you look at a topographic map, there's Berea, and then there's hills. Like you're there. 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:33.753 Brian Wringer: Like when we stayed in, we stayed in Georgetown, there was kind of a 30 minute 00:09:33.753 --> 00:09:38.988 Brian Wringer: commute and then the festivities began and we're like, well, let's just go there. 00:09:39.447 --> 00:09:44.979 Robin Dean: If beachfront property were motorcycle playland, this would be the beachfront property. 00:09:45.438 --> 00:09:49.639 Robin Dean: Begin, surf in any direction. Having problems, take a right. 00:09:50.057 --> 00:09:53.863 Robin Dean: Having more problems, take as many rights as you want. you'll end up maybe on 00:09:53.863 --> 00:09:58.283 Robin Dean: the same road but keep turning right until your smile is wider than your facial 00:09:58.283 --> 00:10:00.721 Robin Dean: musculature can handle you're gonna love it. 00:10:01.185 --> 00:10:04.727 Brian Wringer: We got some sorting to do old routes to contemplate new routes to think about 00:10:05.179 --> 00:10:09.403 Brian Wringer: try to guess that this road is a has a line in the middle i'd like to have a 00:10:09.403 --> 00:10:14.624 Brian Wringer: line in the middle although i enjoy the hell out of goat paths too i don't know so we'll see 00:10:15.088 --> 00:10:18.653 Brian Wringer: last thing i got some uh you know again winter project getting ready for that 00:10:18.653 --> 00:10:21.735 Brian Wringer: is got all new brake lines on the way from Spiegler. 00:10:22.253 --> 00:10:26.676 Brian Wringer: Via sportbiketrackgear.com. Shout out, not a sponsor. 00:10:27.135 --> 00:10:28.714 Robin Dean: Need a promotional outlet? We are here. 00:10:29.161 --> 00:10:32.505 Brian Wringer: I spend a lot of money with them. Sometime this late fall, winter, 00:10:32.505 --> 00:10:35.215 Brian Wringer: I'll get bored and I'll do the brake lines on that. 00:10:35.215 --> 00:10:39.795 Brian Wringer: I did the old tie the brake lever to the bar and just let it sit trick. 00:10:39.795 --> 00:10:44.816 Brian Wringer: And that actually seemed to get quite a bit more improvement than I was expecting. 00:10:45.280 --> 00:10:49.165 Brian Wringer: So like I said, the brakes are good. They work great. You can lock them up with 00:10:49.165 --> 00:10:50.754 Brian Wringer: two fingers if you want to, that kind of thing. 00:10:51.207 --> 00:10:57.515 Brian Wringer: It's just not like perfect and this winter it's going to be perfect that'll 00:10:57.515 --> 00:11:00.727 Brian Wringer: be a winner so what do you got going on you're you got parts swapping happening 00:11:01.186 --> 00:11:07.055 Robin Dean: Starts with we ordered a pile of kit for both bikes nothing too extensive for 00:11:07.055 --> 00:11:09.275 Robin Dean: mine definitely for hers though one thing, 00:11:09.998 --> 00:11:15.695 Robin Dean: i've always wanted is a simple mechanical temperature gauge in fahrenheit terms 00:11:15.695 --> 00:11:18.653 Robin Dean: for ambient temperature to know what I'm dealing with outside. 00:11:19.106 --> 00:11:25.567 Robin Dean: So I ordered like a $10 five pack that I think is coming from somewhere between, 00:11:26.031 --> 00:11:32.161 Robin Dean: Venus and Mars because it's supposed to arrive here September of 28. But the, 00:11:32.683 --> 00:11:37.779 Robin Dean: It's this little like 25 millimeter, it looks like a little mini compass, 00:11:37.779 --> 00:11:39.339 Robin Dean: but it reads the ambient temperature. 00:11:39.339 --> 00:11:45.459 Robin Dean: I'm going to tape that to a big dumb bolt that belongs to stuff that I'm not using on the bike. 00:11:45.459 --> 00:11:49.946 Robin Dean: You know, my bike had the option of being a naked version. If you get the S 00:11:50.254 --> 00:11:53.458 Robin Dean: and that had mirror outlets, well, the mirror outlets are on the handlebars, 00:11:53.917 --> 00:11:58.179 Robin Dean: but they came with bolt caps, pull out the bolt caps, use the bolt to fasten 00:11:58.179 --> 00:12:00.122 Robin Dean: in my heated grips controller. 00:12:00.587 --> 00:12:04.419 Robin Dean: And that Bolt is a perfect platform for a little informative dial. 00:12:04.419 --> 00:12:11.759 Robin Dean: Like I said, I am loving still the modular build of a less expensive machine, 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.352 Robin Dean: less proprietary driven machine. 00:12:13.567 --> 00:12:17.851 Brian Wringer: That's a thoroughly modern machine, but it does not display ambient temperature. 00:12:18.309 --> 00:12:22.216 Robin Dean: No, nothing like that. Even with the TFT color display, it's funky like that. 00:12:22.686 --> 00:12:25.989 Robin Dean: Also, so she'll get one on her bike too. For Maggie's bike, that's really where 00:12:25.989 --> 00:12:29.559 Robin Dean: the money was, whatever, because her bike is now paid down. We now own both 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:31.876 Robin Dean: bikes. Everything's yay, whatever, right? You know? 00:12:33.101 --> 00:12:36.663 Robin Dean: Per your recommendation, she has ordered her chain and sprockets. 00:12:36.663 --> 00:12:41.987 Robin Dean: They needed to happen, as we discussed in our previous episode covering the track day. 00:12:42.451 --> 00:12:45.713 Robin Dean: So that's on the way. We're just waiting for them to get the chain itself in 00:12:45.713 --> 00:12:50.346 Robin Dean: stock because it's kind of a strange number of links compared to what they had on the shelves. 00:12:50.805 --> 00:12:54.137 Robin Dean: And then last but not least, the big one. We've been waiting to do this, 00:12:54.595 --> 00:12:57.093 Robin Dean: and it became a little bit of a hiccup in discussion points. 00:12:57.093 --> 00:13:04.632 Robin Dean: But we did finally order the same SW Motec street rack and installation hardware 00:13:04.986 --> 00:13:10.025 Robin Dean: for her top case to go on that will keep the passenger, 00:13:10.489 --> 00:13:12.266 Robin Dean: seat free and clear of anything. 00:13:12.718 --> 00:13:18.042 Robin Dean: So she'll have the same adapter. My top case will fit on her bike. 00:13:18.425 --> 00:13:23.655 Robin Dean: We have two of the exact same top case and it's the same plate. So it just clicks in GV. 00:13:24.119 --> 00:13:26.546 Robin Dean: Right now, we've got one on the scooter. At any rate. 00:13:27.057 --> 00:13:30.133 Robin Dean: Those are the big purchases we've made in the recent past. 00:13:30.540 --> 00:13:36.339 Robin Dean: I also just coached my first MSF course in a long time, which was a real pleasure. 00:13:36.803 --> 00:13:40.283 Robin Dean: Shout out to Alan of Writer's First. Good company. They're the ones that put 00:13:40.283 --> 00:13:42.414 Robin Dean: on our advanced writer course that we took last year. 00:13:42.885 --> 00:13:46.253 Robin Dean: Good people. Fantastic range. I had a really good time. Also, 00:13:46.253 --> 00:13:48.365 Robin Dean: shout out to Shelly, who took the afternoon class. 00:13:48.829 --> 00:13:52.183 Robin Dean: Got to meet a lot of people. Got to get my feet back in the water with all that 00:13:52.183 --> 00:13:55.644 Robin Dean: and understand what I was doing. And everybody who stuck around passed. That was good. 00:13:56.091 --> 00:13:56.561 Brian Wringer: Sweet. 00:13:57.884 --> 00:13:58.540 Brian Wringer: Very important. 00:13:58.998 --> 00:14:04.096 Robin Dean: This is all about Route 62. All right. Now, I've got a bookmark in Facebook 00:14:04.096 --> 00:14:06.324 Robin Dean: Marketplace. It's just like Ryobi. 00:14:06.777 --> 00:14:09.966 Robin Dean: Ryobi One Plus, to be exact. Because, you know, I'm, like, trying to get rid 00:14:09.966 --> 00:14:13.650 Robin Dean: of all the stuff that's, like, rando batteries and incompatible and cables I don't want anymore. 00:14:14.074 --> 00:14:16.698 Robin Dean: Per your recommendation, go on Ryobi for the size of the catalog. 00:14:17.075 --> 00:14:19.596 Robin Dean: So I noticed, oh, boom, there's one of the things I definitely wanted, 00:14:19.596 --> 00:14:23.176 Robin Dean: which is their one-gallon One Plus battery-operated shop vac. 00:14:23.176 --> 00:14:24.413 Brian Wringer: Oh, that's great. 00:14:24.877 --> 00:14:29.486 Robin Dean: I think, what does that go for new? It's like between 70 and a hundred something dollars. 00:14:29.786 --> 00:14:33.496 Robin Dean: I don't think it was all that expensive for the one gallon, but the four amp 00:14:33.496 --> 00:14:39.666 Robin Dean: hour battery by itself is like 60 bucks and they come in two packs of $120 new. 00:14:39.666 --> 00:14:40.009 Brian Wringer: Yeah. 00:14:40.636 --> 00:14:47.136 Robin Dean: Yeah. So I found the one gallon vac with a four amp hour battery bought in December. 00:14:47.136 --> 00:14:50.104 Robin Dean: So it's still in pretty good shape for 60 bucks. 00:14:50.563 --> 00:14:55.631 Robin Dean: Talked the guy down to 40 and i got to ride 62 due west, 00:14:56.083 --> 00:15:01.066 Robin Dean: all the way to his place nice i'm telling you that 62 that's good that's pretty 00:15:01.066 --> 00:15:04.566 Robin Dean: good recommendation it just i was like i thought that it kind of started to 00:15:04.566 --> 00:15:07.409 Robin Dean: taper off at what is that sulfur. 00:15:08.246 --> 00:15:13.063 Brian Wringer: False no it it's kind of tapers off after St. Minerad a little bit. 00:15:13.394 --> 00:15:13.678 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:15:14.137 --> 00:15:17.893 Brian Wringer: So Sulfur to La Croix is amazing. 00:15:18.235 --> 00:15:24.267 Brian Wringer: And La Croix to St. Minerad is huge sweepers. Really fun. 00:15:24.725 --> 00:15:26.792 Brian Wringer: It's still okay, but yeah, anyway. 00:15:27.250 --> 00:15:27.999 Robin Dean: It was a good ride. 00:15:28.458 --> 00:15:30.043 Brian Wringer: 62 is just a giggle, yeah. 00:15:30.147 --> 00:15:35.713 Robin Dean: Yeah, went to a guy's house, bought a $40 set of $250 worth of crap, 00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:39.266 Robin Dean: and then duct taped it all to the back of the bike and off the way I went. 00:15:39.266 --> 00:15:41.878 Robin Dean: It was just a damn fine time. At any rate, 00:15:42.361 --> 00:15:46.674 Robin Dean: That means it's time for listener questions. In this case, questions from the wild. 00:15:47.132 --> 00:15:53.347 Brian Wringer: So if you'd like us to field your questions, visit email.tro.bike in your web 00:15:53.347 --> 00:15:57.668 Brian Wringer: browser to place a message into our brains. First question. 00:15:58.144 --> 00:16:03.676 Robin Dean: Is a quick shifter actually useful on the street or is it just fun? Yes. 00:16:04.141 --> 00:16:04.698 Brian Wringer: Absolutely. 00:16:05.151 --> 00:16:09.167 Robin Dean: Okay, so the in-depth version is a rider test rode a Yamaha XSR900, 00:16:09.167 --> 00:16:13.967 Robin Dean: a cool bike with a quick shifter and also tried Honda's e-clutch both felt rough 00:16:13.967 --> 00:16:16.087 Robin Dean: and low value compared with using 00:16:16.087 --> 00:16:19.170 Robin Dean: the clutch smoothly so why pay extra for either system on a street bike, 00:16:19.629 --> 00:16:23.315 Robin Dean: this is not just manual versus automatic it opens up technique throttle load, 00:16:23.773 --> 00:16:28.297 Robin Dean: engine speed bad calibration fatigue long days and whether convenience takes 00:16:28.297 --> 00:16:30.408 Robin Dean: anything meaningful away from riding so, 00:16:30.867 --> 00:16:33.847 Robin Dean: our goal in this conversation should be to separate a conventional quick shifter 00:16:33.847 --> 00:16:35.747 Robin Dean: from the e-clutch really and, 00:16:36.247 --> 00:16:39.840 Robin Dean: I think they're totally different animals the quick Shifter is, 00:16:40.090 --> 00:16:45.467 Robin Dean: for me, I use it pretty extensively with the exception of regular transition 00:16:45.467 --> 00:16:47.259 Robin Dean: from one to two, first to second. 00:16:47.718 --> 00:16:50.437 Robin Dean: That can be a little rough if you're not really going for it. 00:16:50.437 --> 00:16:52.304 Robin Dean: Like if you're going for it, yeah, get in there. 00:16:52.762 --> 00:16:57.702 Robin Dean: But if you're trying to cruise along that first use, first to second, it's not great. 00:16:57.987 --> 00:16:59.437 Robin Dean: After that, it's fine. So I 00:16:59.437 --> 00:17:03.368 Robin Dean: find it greatly convenient. And Brian made a point a couple episodes back. 00:17:04.360 --> 00:17:09.878 Robin Dean: Opened my mind up to things I did not consider, namely that it does help preserve 00:17:09.878 --> 00:17:11.529 Robin Dean: the clutch to some extent. 00:17:11.987 --> 00:17:13.248 Robin Dean: However, the calibration, I've 00:17:13.248 --> 00:17:16.370 Robin Dean: never done that. I need to learn how to calibrate it. That time's coming. 00:17:16.817 --> 00:17:20.985 Brian Wringer: On your BMW, you had to kind of go through a calibration after quite a while. 00:17:21.432 --> 00:17:21.734 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:17:22.262 --> 00:17:25.298 Brian Wringer: I will first disclose I have never ridden a bike with a quick shifter. 00:17:25.763 --> 00:17:27.220 Robin Dean: Are you familiar with how they work? 00:17:27.678 --> 00:17:31.347 Brian Wringer: Yeah, yeah. So basically your engine shuts off for that fraction of a second 00:17:31.797 --> 00:17:36.018 Brian Wringer: the gears slide smoothly together and in and in power comes back on they're 00:17:36.018 --> 00:17:38.961 Brian Wringer: normally calibrated for pretty aggressive riding 00:17:39.425 --> 00:17:44.128 Robin Dean: Yeah if you're on the gas you can upshift and if you roll off the gas you can 00:17:44.128 --> 00:17:46.339 Robin Dean: downshift unlike the average bump shift. 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:51.192 Brian Wringer: Yeah you can you know pretty much everybody learns to do a clutchless shifting 00:17:51.651 --> 00:17:53.748 Brian Wringer: without using the clutch lever but that's also 00:17:54.488 --> 00:18:00.817 Brian Wringer: sort of dangerous if you get it wrong you cut you can bend or damage your for your shift forks 00:18:01.281 --> 00:18:03.408 Brian Wringer: in your transmission and parts 00:18:03.408 --> 00:18:07.708 Brian Wringer: go boom and yeah it can be bad obviously robin finds a lot of value in it 00:18:08.172 --> 00:18:11.138 Brian Wringer: i really can't say whether it's worth it or not i think a lot of people do feel 00:18:11.138 --> 00:18:15.463 Brian Wringer: it's worth it it's also something that's not too hard to to add aftermarket 00:18:15.916 --> 00:18:20.258 Brian Wringer: on a lot of bikes a lot of track bikes have this added you know it didn't come 00:18:20.258 --> 00:18:21.288 Brian Wringer: with it from the factory I agree. 00:18:22.139 --> 00:18:27.288 Brian Wringer: Your previous on this bike came with it from the factory. The E-clutch is different. 00:18:27.288 --> 00:18:30.988 Brian Wringer: It's basically just a little, there's like a wart on the side of your engine 00:18:30.988 --> 00:18:35.234 Brian Wringer: and it's full of motors and gears and stuff. And it operates the clutch for you. 00:18:35.675 --> 00:18:39.598 Brian Wringer: As the questioner noticed, it doesn't know what's in your brain. 00:18:39.598 --> 00:18:40.648 Brian Wringer: It doesn't know what you're going to do. 00:18:40.948 --> 00:18:44.725 Brian Wringer: So it's not going to be as smooth as an experienced rider can be with a clutch. 00:18:45.184 --> 00:18:47.721 Brian Wringer: It's also one of those things, I think there's a little bit of a learning curve 00:18:47.935 --> 00:18:49.474 Brian Wringer: with an E-clutch as well. 00:18:49.932 --> 00:18:54.153 Brian Wringer: You kind of learn what it wants to do and then you do that you facilitate that 00:18:54.617 --> 00:18:57.678 Robin Dean: Every rider should say oh okay okay sure sure sure that's a. 00:18:58.128 --> 00:19:02.548 Brian Wringer: Sure whatever you want inside the engine it's all the same there's just kind of a wart uh 00:19:03.068 --> 00:19:06.868 Brian Wringer: yanking a cable for you i can see where it'd be something to get more people 00:19:06.868 --> 00:19:10.678 Brian Wringer: on more motorcycles so i like it that way but if i'm going to have a clutch 00:19:10.678 --> 00:19:13.460 Brian Wringer: if it's not going to be like a twist and go electric or something yeah 00:19:14.428 --> 00:19:17.953 Brian Wringer: an experienced rider can do a better job with a clutch 00:19:18.412 --> 00:19:23.526 Robin Dean: But the bottom line is yes is it useful on the street or is it just fun yes, 00:19:23.984 --> 00:19:29.948 Robin Dean: absolutely i'm happy i have it do i care that much no it wasn't a deal breaker 00:19:29.948 --> 00:19:33.277 Robin Dean: for the bike if i wanted one that bad i would add an aftermarket. 00:19:33.736 --> 00:19:40.446 Brian Wringer: Next question should a passenger ever use a quick release top case as a back breast yes and no 00:19:40.905 --> 00:19:42.066 Robin Dean: Also and or. 00:19:42.524 --> 00:19:49.168 Brian Wringer: So a rider of some sort moved to a yamaha fj09 nice bike and wants a passenger 00:19:49.168 --> 00:19:55.313 Brian Wringer: to relax against their monolock case it's a kappa k45 monolock case 00:19:55.719 --> 00:19:57.919 Robin Dean: Is that the rigid one or let me see. 00:19:58.360 --> 00:20:03.828 Brian Wringer: Yeah it's a rigid plastic case so monolock has a it has like two fingers at 00:20:03.828 --> 00:20:06.847 Brian Wringer: the front bottom of the case and then a lock at the back 00:20:07.300 --> 00:20:11.491 Robin Dean: Monokey is the heavy duty monolock is the relaxed you know single ply. 00:20:11.944 --> 00:20:16.148 Brian Wringer: Something like that yeah and it's one of those you know where gb will sell you 00:20:16.148 --> 00:20:21.104 Brian Wringer: a back pad to put on it so you're like oh i've got this uh cushion on there so may i 00:20:21.643 --> 00:20:23.988 Robin Dean: Yeah, it's about the hardware. 00:20:24.447 --> 00:20:27.354 Brian Wringer: Yeah, grab it and wiggle, see what happens. I don't know. 00:20:27.813 --> 00:20:33.966 Robin Dean: Back in the days of a bandit, I got the static hardware for all things GV installed. 00:20:34.425 --> 00:20:39.463 Robin Dean: I eventually switched over to the quick release hardware for style points. 00:20:39.916 --> 00:20:48.490 Robin Dean: So I had installed originally the rigid piping, which was a static permanent installation. 00:20:48.937 --> 00:20:52.053 Robin Dean: You pulled out some bolts. It had all kinds of connection points. 00:20:52.053 --> 00:20:54.487 Robin Dean: It was plumbing and it was sturdy. 00:20:54.939 --> 00:21:01.929 Robin Dean: It meant business. And then we had a 45 liter satellite dish of a top case with a back pad on it. 00:21:02.387 --> 00:21:08.674 Robin Dean: And there was no issue leaning on that. So if you go with the stock dedicated, 00:21:09.133 --> 00:21:11.031 Robin Dean: year make model specific, 00:21:11.495 --> 00:21:18.853 Robin Dean: Sears tower in steel installation hardware for this thing, then you may as well 00:21:18.853 --> 00:21:21.023 Robin Dean: go ahead and install a dang Barca lounger. 00:21:21.023 --> 00:21:23.750 Robin Dean: Just make it as comfortable as you want. You have nothing to worry about, 00:21:24.063 --> 00:21:26.308 Robin Dean: in my personal opinion, from personal experience. 00:21:26.773 --> 00:21:31.813 Brian Wringer: And I will say, I've got an FJ09. I have all the GV hardware on it and the rack 00:21:31.813 --> 00:21:33.268 Brian Wringer: and everything, and it's super sturdy. 00:21:33.733 --> 00:21:38.998 Brian Wringer: It's got reinforcements and all that stuff. The only difference is my setup is mono key. 00:21:39.457 --> 00:21:40.461 Robin Dean: And that's more durable. 00:21:40.919 --> 00:21:43.410 Brian Wringer: Everything is the same, except the top plate is more durable. 00:21:43.874 --> 00:21:48.173 Brian Wringer: I don't think there's that much of a difference in the durability of the locking 00:21:48.173 --> 00:21:51.020 Brian Wringer: system that holds the case on the bike. 00:21:51.421 --> 00:21:53.753 Brian Wringer: The rest of it's identical, and then there's a little bit of, 00:21:53.753 --> 00:21:58.027 Brian Wringer: you know, the case goes click, click with either system. 00:21:58.480 --> 00:22:01.945 Robin Dean: Yeah, I don't think it's the plate. It's the rigidity of the material used to make the top case. 00:22:02.404 --> 00:22:06.093 Brian Wringer: The other thing is that, you know, unless you have some kind of weirdo passenger 00:22:06.093 --> 00:22:11.094 Brian Wringer: who's constantly, like, trying to break it, shoving against you and stuff, 00:22:11.558 --> 00:22:14.107 Brian Wringer: There's really not that much force put on the thing. 00:22:14.571 --> 00:22:18.007 Brian Wringer: You know, whatever riding you're doing. I've carried passengers a few times 00:22:18.007 --> 00:22:21.717 Brian Wringer: on my FJ and it's never been like a big issue. 00:22:22.146 --> 00:22:25.167 Brian Wringer: And even under hard acceleration, they're hanging on to you. 00:22:25.167 --> 00:22:27.258 Brian Wringer: Their legs are clamped onto the bike. 00:22:27.717 --> 00:22:33.207 Brian Wringer: You know, you're not taking the full brunt of, you know, 4G human being on these 00:22:33.207 --> 00:22:34.617 Brian Wringer: two little knobs of plastic. 00:22:35.467 --> 00:22:39.490 Robin Dean: It's like define recline. What are we talking about here? Really? 00:22:39.722 --> 00:22:43.987 Robin Dean: There is a flip side in the form of the hardware. Again, I eventually pulled 00:22:43.987 --> 00:22:48.151 Robin Dean: the GV stuff because I wanted to look cool and I got the detachable hardware, 00:22:48.609 --> 00:22:53.944 Robin Dean: which can hold the same general touring capacity it was basically this, 00:22:54.414 --> 00:22:56.144 Robin Dean: system where you would turn some, 00:22:56.614 --> 00:22:59.749 Robin Dean: pin bolts and they would just line up you could pop everything right off and it looked kind of neat, 00:23:00.208 --> 00:23:04.207 Robin Dean: but that definitely changed my view on whether or not a human being should be 00:23:04.207 --> 00:23:08.207 Robin Dean: leaning back too much which was never the case anyhow it's not really a natural 00:23:08.207 --> 00:23:11.307 Robin Dean: effect you want to hold on the rider and every now and then going down the expressway 00:23:11.307 --> 00:23:13.222 Robin Dean: maybe you'll get to chill slightly. 00:23:13.687 --> 00:23:16.572 Brian Wringer: Both yes and no. Go on, yes. What do we got? 00:23:17.123 --> 00:23:22.068 Robin Dean: Is a 3D offset chin camera mount a clever solution or a crash hazard? 00:23:22.515 --> 00:23:27.095 Robin Dean: So a rider used a side-mounted adhesive base and a 3D printed arm to replace 00:23:27.095 --> 00:23:30.659 Robin Dean: a DGI Osmo Action 5 in front of the chin bar. 00:23:31.112 --> 00:23:35.094 Robin Dean: The bond looks clean, but the arm adds leverage and hardware into the face. 00:23:35.495 --> 00:23:38.229 Robin Dean: What needs to be checked before trusting it at highway speed or in a crash? 00:23:38.693 --> 00:23:40.052 Robin Dean: I'm not even worried about it. 00:23:40.516 --> 00:23:44.243 Brian Wringer: There are any number of people who ride with those. 00:23:44.702 --> 00:23:49.183 Brian Wringer: Because if you're in a crash, it just pops off. It doesn't make a big difference. 00:23:49.642 --> 00:23:53.045 Brian Wringer: It's kind of like, yeah, if you turn your head, it'll add a little leverage. 00:23:53.045 --> 00:23:55.665 Brian Wringer: And if that bothers you, then don't put it on. If it doesn't bother you, 00:23:56.085 --> 00:23:57.641 Brian Wringer: then go on with your bad self. 00:23:58.036 --> 00:24:00.015 Robin Dean: It certainly isn't going to cause an accident. 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:03.643 Brian Wringer: Yeah, what causes an accident is dicking around with a camera. 00:24:04.096 --> 00:24:08.135 Brian Wringer: That's the problem. And the other thing is if the thing starts sagging or whatever, 00:24:08.135 --> 00:24:12.449 Brian Wringer: and you're playing with that and not flying the plane, then that's the main problem. 00:24:12.908 --> 00:24:17.180 Brian Wringer: And I will say the track organization we went to last time does not allow those 00:24:17.639 --> 00:24:22.835 Brian Wringer: because, you know, under the greater stress, the cameras can and do fall off 00:24:22.835 --> 00:24:25.922 Brian Wringer: and they really just don't feel like having cameras bouncing around out there. 00:24:26.380 --> 00:24:29.997 Brian Wringer: Yeah, it might bounce off a Buick and honk somebody off, but whatever. 00:24:30.455 --> 00:24:34.495 Brian Wringer: I don't call it a big danger. Just the other thing I would say is have a little 00:24:34.495 --> 00:24:37.415 Brian Wringer: tether and maybe clip it to your jacket or something so the thing doesn't go 00:24:37.415 --> 00:24:38.902 Brian Wringer: down the road if it falls off. 00:24:39.366 --> 00:24:42.965 Robin Dean: I just wrote an article about how really it's time for us to revert back to 00:24:42.965 --> 00:24:45.693 Robin Dean: the hardline cameras instead of wireless everything. 00:24:46.001 --> 00:24:48.219 Robin Dean: Some things wireless, some things hardline. 00:24:48.671 --> 00:24:52.695 Robin Dean: So I wrote an article about motorcycle tech screens that come with hardwired 00:24:52.695 --> 00:24:56.758 Robin Dean: cameras that you would hear the front and rear of the bike. They are not going anywhere. 00:24:57.013 --> 00:24:59.010 Robin Dean: Probably they'll make the grade for track day anyplace. 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:05.575 Robin Dean: And that is, so if you go to TRO.bike, question mark, P equals 33848, 00:25:05.703 --> 00:25:08.803 Robin Dean: that'll take you right there. Catchy, right? 00:25:09.262 --> 00:25:12.080 Brian Wringer: And once again, if you would like us to field your questions, 00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:17.910 Brian Wringer: visit email.tro.bike in your web browser to send us a message. 00:25:18.374 --> 00:25:19.402 Robin Dean: You ready to go big with it? 00:25:19.860 --> 00:25:23.274 Brian Wringer: Let's go big. You got some splaining to do here, Robin. 00:25:23.732 --> 00:25:27.802 Robin Dean: I'll try to make this good. Segment one, represent Zet. 00:25:28.260 --> 00:25:32.410 Robin Dean: This is all about the squids, all about the young riders, those who are just 00:25:32.410 --> 00:25:35.824 Robin Dean: looking for role models or not looking for role models, looking to be left alone, 00:25:36.137 --> 00:25:38.900 Robin Dean: posturing, wanting to be the people that know the thing, but they don't want 00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:42.755 Robin Dean: to go through the motions to take on the new information. Let's help each other out here. 00:25:43.220 --> 00:25:46.640 Robin Dean: I know that I'm the old guy in the mix when it comes to walking up to you and 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.419 Robin Dean: saying, hey, how's it going, kids? I'm hip and whatever, you know, 00:25:49.727 --> 00:25:50.667 Robin Dean: let's get into this here. 00:25:51.132 --> 00:25:56.530 Robin Dean: Somewhere in, I don't know, maybe a cycle gear or box store parking lot, 00:25:56.995 --> 00:25:58.661 Robin Dean: sits a group of young riders. 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:03.119 Robin Dean: Each is wearing a small portion of ATCAP, but nowhere near the entire acronym. 00:26:03.578 --> 00:26:08.169 Robin Dean: Jackets, t-shirts, gloves. The entire lot is in ripped denim. 00:26:08.622 --> 00:26:12.639 Robin Dean: One guy has a cute girlfriend in a tank top, oversized helmet, 00:26:12.918 --> 00:26:14.363 Robin Dean: and spandex booty pants. 00:26:14.822 --> 00:26:19.825 Robin Dean: Neither wants combos with anyone in motorcycle safety, let alone us from the ST crowd. 00:26:20.288 --> 00:26:25.582 Robin Dean: Instagram followers aside, each is a unique individual with potential not even they have realized. 00:26:26.035 --> 00:26:29.990 Robin Dean: They like their bikes and twist in the throttle. But there may be missing bolts 00:26:29.990 --> 00:26:31.979 Robin Dean: in their understanding of motorcycle culture. 00:26:32.432 --> 00:26:36.124 Robin Dean: We hear a stranger's model and displacement the moment they meet another rider. 00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:41.366 Robin Dean: Maybe they think what skilled riders can do on that bike automatically carries over to them. 00:26:41.832 --> 00:26:45.217 Robin Dean: All for busting out, what, a credit card? I'm gonna say it now. 00:26:45.675 --> 00:26:51.172 Robin Dean: The bike you own in no way reflects your ability to operate it. 00:26:51.614 --> 00:26:56.447 Robin Dean: Saying that makes me some old man yelling at clouds guy, but I too enjoy speed 00:26:56.447 --> 00:26:58.702 Robin Dean: and ride an impressive piece of road-ready engineering. 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.823 Robin Dean: Had I ridden at their age, I predict I wouldn't have made it to this platform. 00:27:03.276 --> 00:27:09.156 Robin Dean: Who the hell am I to them? Really, outside of unproven speech and opinions about how they should behave. 00:27:09.598 --> 00:27:13.932 Robin Dean: Forcibly imposing my opinion is an exit door from relevancy. 00:27:14.384 --> 00:27:17.270 Robin Dean: One of two words I want to wear like shoes throughout this outreach. 00:27:17.705 --> 00:27:19.528 Robin Dean: The other is authenticity. 00:27:19.980 --> 00:27:24.392 Robin Dean: So here we have young riders posturing on their bikes, seeking recognition, 00:27:24.857 --> 00:27:29.527 Robin Dean: fresh out of a movie theater, where stars trade seats with stunt doubles deciding 00:27:29.527 --> 00:27:31.527 Robin Dean: what deserves recognition according to fiction. 00:27:31.979 --> 00:27:34.383 Robin Dean: Mind you, this segment isn't for the squids. 00:27:34.841 --> 00:27:40.745 Robin Dean: It's for any of you who wish to convince them to A, chill out, and B, up their game. 00:27:41.186 --> 00:27:43.897 Robin Dean: So I'm perpetuating the stereotype pretty damn inventively. 00:27:44.356 --> 00:27:50.201 Robin Dean: The social walls between an old, unbuffed, pear-shaped writer with incredibly average skill. 00:27:50.670 --> 00:27:55.467 Robin Dean: And the would-be squid are massive. What's more, they're electrified with a 00:27:55.467 --> 00:27:57.329 Robin Dean: shut-your-mouth-old-man mindset. 00:27:57.724 --> 00:28:02.878 Robin Dean: They'll listen, respond, and leave. Or just leave. And why shouldn't they? 00:28:03.337 --> 00:28:07.617 Robin Dean: If trying to tell their maybe absentee parents about music gets met with, 00:28:07.617 --> 00:28:11.301 Robin Dean: yeah, but that'll never be as good as Rush or Pink Floyd or, 00:28:11.765 --> 00:28:15.397 Robin Dean: insert fucking yawn here, why would they open their minds to, 00:28:15.757 --> 00:28:20.693 Robin Dean: and another thing from seasoned writers they don't know, that they don't want to know. 00:28:21.145 --> 00:28:25.867 Robin Dean: Worse, don't dress like them and use their lingo, though I would buy tickets 00:28:25.867 --> 00:28:27.873 Robin Dean: to that comedy fest shit show. 00:28:28.332 --> 00:28:34.172 Robin Dean: All caps, safe opportunities to prove yourself are rare. Be careful if seizing one. 00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:38.657 Robin Dean: A wide open parking lot, knowledge of the best training, modest bragging rights 00:28:38.657 --> 00:28:41.910 Robin Dean: about something you've accomplished, backed by visual proof. 00:28:42.368 --> 00:28:46.507 Robin Dean: I've seen curriculum-driven instructors bust fiercely difficult slow maneuvers. 00:28:46.873 --> 00:28:48.916 Robin Dean: Dem Dare Kids Likely Haven't Mastered. 00:28:49.382 --> 00:28:53.790 Robin Dean: There are local road courses, meaning track days, and combos about how they've 00:28:53.790 --> 00:28:56.267 Robin Dean: improved your riding. I've said it many times. 00:28:56.731 --> 00:29:01.369 Robin Dean: Motorcyclists should be allowed to ride in whatever manner they wish, 00:29:01.706 --> 00:29:04.672 Robin Dean: so long as they choose the correct venue. 00:29:05.125 --> 00:29:08.666 Robin Dean: Speed is cool. At the track, learn to suck less in the corners. 00:29:09.125 --> 00:29:15.346 Robin Dean: Mobility is cool, meaning cone courses. Big bikes in tiny spaces make one hell of an impression. 00:29:15.805 --> 00:29:20.520 Robin Dean: Stunting is cool. There are stunting classes. Learn to look dangerous where 00:29:20.520 --> 00:29:23.142 Robin Dean: it's welcomed without ruining the communal reputation. 00:29:23.595 --> 00:29:27.995 Robin Dean: I'll introduce known terminology so you understand the convos too. 00:29:28.460 --> 00:29:31.455 Robin Dean: Trail breaking, delayed apex, weight shift, ergos, tuning. 00:29:31.914 --> 00:29:37.870 Robin Dean: Communicating this, my real point, what you say isn't worth hearing until you 00:29:37.870 --> 00:29:40.012 Robin Dean: have something the audience wants. 00:29:40.470 --> 00:29:44.490 Robin Dean: If they can see what you're made of and it's beyond them, you're likely getting 00:29:44.490 --> 00:29:47.227 Robin Dean: that crowbar into the door jam. But are you chill? 00:29:47.692 --> 00:29:51.459 Robin Dean: Or are you ready to hand them a Jehovah's Witness guide to motorcycle safety 00:29:51.871 --> 00:29:54.902 Robin Dean: with an invite to the next drawn-out presentation? Hint. 00:29:55.453 --> 00:29:58.617 Robin Dean: Be the former. Maybe you've got enough chops to gain their approval. 00:29:59.070 --> 00:30:03.679 Robin Dean: But your opinion of them? It ain't shit. You're a nobody. Do not pass go. 00:30:04.863 --> 00:30:10.591 Robin Dean: Communicating next-level training priorities should put zero gravity on anyone willing to listen. 00:30:11.027 --> 00:30:13.476 Robin Dean: They've already spent energy expressing that willingness. 00:30:13.941 --> 00:30:18.725 Robin Dean: They don't owe us that. They don't owe us anything. A young person allowing 00:30:18.725 --> 00:30:23.735 Robin Dean: an old person's words into their mental supreme court is the ultimate compliment 00:30:23.735 --> 00:30:26.027 Robin Dean: anyone with knowledge to convey can receive. 00:30:26.294 --> 00:30:29.742 Robin Dean: So know and keep track of where you stand. 00:30:30.189 --> 00:30:35.024 Robin Dean: They're in charge of what sticks. You're in charge of adding an interesting adhesive. 00:30:35.483 --> 00:30:39.365 Robin Dean: For every three conversational moments you get them talking about themselves, 00:30:39.365 --> 00:30:44.040 Robin Dean: hope they'll hear one sentence about you. Wash, rinse, repeat. 00:30:44.498 --> 00:30:48.695 Robin Dean: This next part takes a miracle. I've heard non-hooligans, sidebar, 00:30:48.695 --> 00:30:51.812 Robin Dean: Brian and I are both wise-ish once-were-hooligans for sure. 00:30:52.277 --> 00:30:56.445 Robin Dean: I've heard non-hooligans drool motor safety curriculum wording until they get 00:30:56.445 --> 00:30:58.186 Robin Dean: the actively planned no. 00:30:58.645 --> 00:31:02.055 Robin Dean: Then they walk away saying, well, you can lead a horse to water, 00:31:02.055 --> 00:31:05.524 Robin Dean: but you can't make it drink, that walkaway is the problem. 00:31:05.982 --> 00:31:09.428 Robin Dean: Just don't push. Repeat and silently prove your point. 00:31:09.881 --> 00:31:14.055 Robin Dean: Regularly outride them. Be uncommonly smooth and predictable. 00:31:14.345 --> 00:31:19.535 Robin Dean: Make intersections look effortless. Make slow maneuvers look like time standing still. 00:31:19.924 --> 00:31:23.900 Robin Dean: Make speed a deliberate act of risk-assessed certainty. 00:31:24.353 --> 00:31:29.914 Robin Dean: Again, outride them. and until the horse drinks, stay with the horse. 00:31:30.373 --> 00:31:30.959 Robin Dean: What do you think, Brian? 00:31:31.424 --> 00:31:37.745 Brian Wringer: I like to ride the motorcycle, yes, but I also, you know, do a lot of motorcycle work. 00:31:38.192 --> 00:31:44.107 Brian Wringer: And so I do end up kind of talking and interacting with a lot of younger riders 00:31:44.566 --> 00:31:47.775 Brian Wringer: when we talk about, hey, this thing doesn't work right or whatever and that 00:31:47.775 --> 00:31:50.237 Brian Wringer: kind of thing. And that can open up a lot of conversation. 00:31:50.696 --> 00:31:54.069 Brian Wringer: I fixed a lot of bikes for a lot of those whippersnappers. 00:31:54.677 --> 00:31:57.403 Brian Wringer: So I'm never going to be cool and I can't, you know, there's no way to be cool, 00:31:57.403 --> 00:32:02.993 Brian Wringer: but it's also a way to have a conversation and things like you get a writing 00:32:02.993 --> 00:32:06.570 Brian Wringer: question about gear or like, man, my ears hurt or my head hurts or my, 00:32:07.035 --> 00:32:08.173 Brian Wringer: you know, something like that. 00:32:08.585 --> 00:32:11.173 Brian Wringer: And then you can have a little moment to impart something like, 00:32:11.173 --> 00:32:15.603 Brian Wringer: hey, try earplugs. You'd be amazed how many people that I've met who don't have 00:32:15.603 --> 00:32:21.385 Brian Wringer: any idea earplugs exist and they should have them on underneath their helmet. I tell you, it's weird. 00:32:21.838 --> 00:32:24.443 Brian Wringer: This helmet doesn't fit or it spins around my head or whatever. 00:32:24.443 --> 00:32:28.253 Brian Wringer: It's like, okay, well, go to CycleGear, get the guy, get the helmet guy, 00:32:28.253 --> 00:32:31.038 Brian Wringer: and you have to try different ones. They're not all the same. You know, what help? 00:32:31.503 --> 00:32:35.520 Brian Wringer: Just basic stuff like that. Or things like if you're on a ride and, 00:32:35.978 --> 00:32:39.593 Brian Wringer: you know, I'm looking friendly, I'm looking more comfortable, 00:32:39.593 --> 00:32:41.737 Brian Wringer: I'm looking happier, I'm looking fresher. 00:32:42.201 --> 00:32:45.644 Brian Wringer: They maybe saw me do something that they can't do and they think that's neat. 00:32:46.102 --> 00:32:47.937 Brian Wringer: Then you have a moment to talk about it. 00:32:48.401 --> 00:32:50.903 Brian Wringer: But yeah, like you said, forcing things is never going to work. 00:32:51.373 --> 00:32:56.903 Brian Wringer: I think the keystone to all of it is to have respect for where people are, 00:32:56.903 --> 00:32:59.291 Brian Wringer: respect them for where they are in their journey. 00:32:59.744 --> 00:33:02.433 Brian Wringer: That's kind of odd, you know, like, why should I respect some kid doesn't know 00:33:02.433 --> 00:33:08.193 Brian Wringer: what he's doing? Well, you were that kid once and the potential of people deserves 00:33:08.193 --> 00:33:12.479 Brian Wringer: respect, their experience, their happiness, their joy, that deserves respect too. 00:33:12.938 --> 00:33:15.933 Brian Wringer: People know when they're not being respected and they're not going to talk to you. 00:33:16.397 --> 00:33:20.391 Brian Wringer: And people, when they feel like they respect her, you're like, you're getting joy. 00:33:20.850 --> 00:33:23.303 Brian Wringer: When we talked to Angel Marie as a new rider, it was really, 00:33:23.703 --> 00:33:26.440 Brian Wringer: it was invigorating. Like, oh, wow, I remember that feeling. 00:33:26.899 --> 00:33:30.913 Brian Wringer: You know, I remember that when everything was new, vaguely, and a long, 00:33:30.913 --> 00:33:31.833 Brian Wringer: you know, a long time ago. 00:33:32.291 --> 00:33:38.853 Brian Wringer: Respecting that as well is a way to make that conversation come about and those 00:33:38.853 --> 00:33:40.459 Brian Wringer: good conversations become natural. 00:33:40.918 --> 00:33:43.973 Brian Wringer: And stuff like, how'd you ride through all that gravel in that corner? 00:33:43.973 --> 00:33:46.107 Brian Wringer: Well, I didn't. I rode where the gravel was not. 00:33:46.566 --> 00:33:50.275 Brian Wringer: And you're like, oh, how do you do that? Well, I've had that conversation with somebody. 00:33:51.048 --> 00:33:54.736 Brian Wringer: Hadn't really thought of the idea of like well you can actually there's a there's 00:33:54.736 --> 00:33:57.869 Brian Wringer: a path there all you need is a couple of inches you know how do you hit that 00:33:58.339 --> 00:34:01.656 Robin Dean: The opposite is also how do you relax well enough that you can hit the gravel 00:34:01.656 --> 00:34:03.946 Robin Dean: spot on and still recover from it smooth as butter. 00:34:05.187 --> 00:34:09.187 Brian Wringer: There's a lot of technique there to talk about, a lot of neat points to talk about. 00:34:09.645 --> 00:34:13.569 Brian Wringer: Thinking back, like I still, I remember where I was the first time I was on 00:34:13.569 --> 00:34:18.190 Brian Wringer: an on-ramp onto a highway and I rolled into the throttle on the corner. 00:34:18.649 --> 00:34:22.968 Brian Wringer: Like that clicked. I'm like, oh, well, that was neat. That's important. 00:34:23.426 --> 00:34:29.299 Brian Wringer: Mr. Throttle is my friend. Wouldn't it be neat to go back and have those experiences again? 00:34:29.299 --> 00:34:32.639 Brian Wringer: You know, that's why I love talking to new riders or newer riders. 00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:35.719 Brian Wringer: You know, there's all these neat little things that they can pick up, 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:39.947 Brian Wringer: you know, and it gets, and of course, it's the kind of thing where you can just learn forever. 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.673 Brian Wringer: So you can keep going. You can keep learning forever. You're never going to reach the end of it. 00:34:45.137 --> 00:34:48.189 Brian Wringer: And that's cool, too. You know, wherever, you know, if you're on the left side 00:34:48.189 --> 00:34:50.579 Brian Wringer: or the right side of the bell curve, you've still, you know, 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:56.695 Brian Wringer: you've still got a lot to learn and you deserve respect wherever you are in your journey. 00:34:57.153 --> 00:35:00.209 Robin Dean: I think the thing that will frustrate anybody who's trying to deliver information 00:35:00.209 --> 00:35:04.509 Robin Dean: is when it's not being understood, trying to figure out how to say the same 00:35:04.509 --> 00:35:05.877 Robin Dean: thing a thousand different ways. 00:35:06.341 --> 00:35:09.859 Robin Dean: That's a complicated issue. That's frustrating for both parties because one 00:35:09.859 --> 00:35:13.267 Robin Dean: person is frustrated that they are not able to relay the information. 00:35:13.672 --> 00:35:16.979 Robin Dean: The other person thinks that they're frustrated with them while they're trying 00:35:16.979 --> 00:35:19.982 Robin Dean: to receive the information. It's nobody's fault but the presenter. 00:35:20.441 --> 00:35:22.890 Robin Dean: That's a big thing, but that gets more into coaching than anything else. 00:35:23.362 --> 00:35:28.215 Brian Wringer: Yeah, and there's also just a lot of bad information people are hearing. 00:35:28.672 --> 00:35:31.255 Robin Dean: Some of it is good information presented badly. 00:35:31.715 --> 00:35:32.776 Brian Wringer: How do they know yours is better? 00:35:33.242 --> 00:35:39.259 Robin Dean: Think about how many times you take for granted the minutiae of the in-between 00:35:39.259 --> 00:35:42.663 Robin Dean: steps that are included for one step. 00:35:43.128 --> 00:35:49.914 Robin Dean: Let's go big. Yeah, you just ride the bike. Like any question anybody has could fit into that overhead. 00:35:50.372 --> 00:35:54.262 Robin Dean: People who will give an answer, not realizing that, no, no, no, 00:35:54.720 --> 00:35:59.209 Robin Dean: you got to break things down sometimes and other things will require a little 00:35:59.209 --> 00:36:01.672 Robin Dean: bit more nuance and just whatever. 00:36:02.190 --> 00:36:09.142 Robin Dean: Communication is a big deal. The thing of it is, optimism was the key word from 00:36:09.142 --> 00:36:13.052 Robin Dean: our last sit down with Joanne Don, who just entered the room, which is awesome. 00:36:13.516 --> 00:36:16.762 Robin Dean: It means it's time for the Armory. And that's brought to you by GearChick.com. 00:36:16.762 --> 00:36:20.238 Robin Dean: G-E-A-R-C-H-I-C.com with Joanne Don. 00:36:32.585 --> 00:36:37.510 Joanne Donn: And on TikTok as the gear chick, because somebody took my name. 00:36:37.963 --> 00:36:41.392 Joanne Donn: So I have some old content on there, but I'm trying to be more active and I'm 00:36:41.392 --> 00:36:43.217 Joanne Donn: going to try to post some new content. 00:36:43.675 --> 00:36:48.499 Robin Dean: You're dealing with riders who are grouped together. They're ages 16 to 23. 00:36:48.964 --> 00:36:53.192 Robin Dean: They've got their own descriptors. They've got their own approach to what means 00:36:53.192 --> 00:36:56.222 Robin Dean: anything on motorcycling, but they haven't actually gone through any motions 00:36:56.222 --> 00:36:59.047 Robin Dean: to really get their act together on it. 00:36:59.279 --> 00:37:04.312 Robin Dean: They're certainly wearing hodgepodge gear, and they're really not interested 00:37:04.584 --> 00:37:08.752 Robin Dean: in anything you have to say. They're wearing T-shirts, they have helmets, 00:37:09.223 --> 00:37:12.050 Robin Dean: fingerless gloves, and they've got torn denim jeans. 00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:17.262 Robin Dean: If you're able to crack the door far enough to get them to listen to you about 00:37:17.262 --> 00:37:20.734 Robin Dean: gear, and you look at them and you realize they ain't got no money, 00:37:21.193 --> 00:37:22.696 Robin Dean: how are we helping them out? 00:37:23.155 --> 00:37:27.732 Joanne Donn: Just for clarification, I want to acknowledge the fact that not all the people 00:37:27.732 --> 00:37:31.342 Joanne Donn: in this age group all feel this way, but there's probably a chunk of them that 00:37:31.342 --> 00:37:33.445 Joanne Donn: do, right? And that's who you want to reach. 00:37:34.622 --> 00:37:38.657 Joanne Donn: If we're trying to communicate to them, hey, you really should gear up. 00:37:39.115 --> 00:37:44.237 Joanne Donn: Honestly, my first approach is always to share with them my wonderful friend, 00:37:44.237 --> 00:37:47.591 Joanne Donn: Brittany Morrow, and that's rockthegear.org. 00:37:48.049 --> 00:37:54.047 Joanne Donn: And Brittany was 18 and she was going through exactly that, but because she 00:37:54.047 --> 00:38:00.658 Joanne Donn: didn't know, and I think a lot of our young adults, they just don't know if 00:38:01.221 --> 00:38:06.120 Joanne Donn: they are in that, well, I don't want new and I'm never going to, 00:38:06.579 --> 00:38:10.927 Joanne Donn: to me, then it's just all about education of, hey, you know, 00:38:10.927 --> 00:38:12.552 Joanne Donn: the really great thing about 00:38:13.017 --> 00:38:17.347 Joanne Donn: living here and being here in different states and you can buy what you want, 00:38:17.347 --> 00:38:20.527 Joanne Donn: you can ride what you want, but there's a consequence to that 00:38:21.007 --> 00:38:25.242 Joanne Donn: if you say don't have insurance, you don't have health insurance or you don't have a lot of money. 00:38:25.700 --> 00:38:31.255 Joanne Donn: So the minute you decide not to wear anything, you're upping the ante of risk 00:38:31.568 --> 00:38:34.912 Joanne Donn: that you're going to get hurt and now you can't afford to fix yourself. 00:38:35.365 --> 00:38:40.444 Joanne Donn: Now you can't afford the hospital bills. Now you can't afford to not work because you got hurt. 00:38:40.786 --> 00:38:47.927 Joanne Donn: So I always go to the consequences, do what you want, but you should know that this could be the out. 00:38:49.041 --> 00:38:52.469 Joanne Donn: So I always want to make sure that people know, young or old, 00:38:52.469 --> 00:38:57.104 Joanne Donn: that, cool, your choice. But if you go that route, this is what could happen. 00:38:57.574 --> 00:39:02.549 Joanne Donn: Maybe if I had a kid who was like 18 or 19 and they're really defiant and they 00:39:02.549 --> 00:39:06.869 Joanne Donn: don't want to wear gear, I would totally show them what Brittany went through. 00:39:06.869 --> 00:39:13.429 Joanne Donn: And she went through the hardest, most difficult accident recovery anyone could 00:39:13.429 --> 00:39:15.181 Joanne Donn: ever go through. And she survived. 00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:21.375 Joanne Donn: And she says, I quote, I skinned myself alive because she wasn't wearing anything. 00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:24.887 Joanne Donn: She didn't get a brain injury because she had a helmet, but she had nothing else. 00:39:25.351 --> 00:39:30.470 Joanne Donn: So that's where I usually go because that is the consequence of your actions. 00:39:30.923 --> 00:39:34.399 Joanne Donn: If the person comes back with, well, I don't want to because I don't want to 00:39:34.399 --> 00:39:37.649 Joanne Donn: look ugly. You know, I've seen what you wear or what other people wear and I 00:39:37.649 --> 00:39:38.487 Joanne Donn: don't want to look like that. 00:39:38.945 --> 00:39:44.890 Joanne Donn: Well, then the reply is you don't have to. It's 2026 and the choices are vast. 00:39:45.348 --> 00:39:51.577 Joanne Donn: There's literally no excuse for I can't find what I want unless you're in that 00:39:51.989 --> 00:39:58.798 Joanne Donn: one to five percentile outside of an average body size or type. 00:39:59.251 --> 00:40:04.958 Joanne Donn: Because manufacturers are businesses and they're there to make money. Let's be honest. 00:40:05.288 --> 00:40:10.466 Joanne Donn: So they're not there to produce for the one percent. They're there to produce for the 80 percent. 00:40:10.919 --> 00:40:18.361 Joanne Donn: So unfortunately for people like that outside, those are very specific personal solutions. 00:40:18.622 --> 00:40:21.740 Joanne Donn: And depending who they are, I usually try to find something. 00:40:22.205 --> 00:40:29.808 Joanne Donn: To help them in their current state. And I just do my very best to educate them on the state of things. 00:40:30.267 --> 00:40:34.249 Brian Wringer: We just talked about a new mesh hoodie from Alpine Stars, I believe. 00:40:34.714 --> 00:40:37.704 Brian Wringer: Somebody's going to go, that's what I want to look like. I don't want to look 00:40:37.704 --> 00:40:41.594 Brian Wringer: like this dumpy old guy outside of Home Depot. I want to look like, 00:40:41.594 --> 00:40:42.620 Brian Wringer: you know, I want to wear that. 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:44.919 Brian Wringer: And it's mesh and it makes a lot of sense. 00:40:45.377 --> 00:40:50.544 Joanne Donn: And basically now there are so many choices, Not as many choices as, 00:40:50.544 --> 00:40:53.774 Joanne Donn: say, a jacket, but there are choices. 00:40:54.174 --> 00:41:01.759 Joanne Donn: So it's really a cop-out to say, well, there isn't anything like that. Because there is. 00:41:02.218 --> 00:41:08.334 Joanne Donn: And to people who are new, especially younger adults or just any new writers, 00:41:08.334 --> 00:41:14.257 Joanne Donn: is you have to really do some work to figure out where to shop. 00:41:14.664 --> 00:41:20.863 Joanne Donn: Because where you shop defines your perception of reality, of what's available to you. 00:41:20.968 --> 00:41:25.234 Joanne Donn: If you shop at your local Honda dealer, no, they're probably not gonna have 00:41:25.234 --> 00:41:28.024 Joanne Donn: anything for you because all they sell are Hondas. 00:41:28.356 --> 00:41:31.705 Joanne Donn: So they're not there to sell you the best variety of motorcycle gear. 00:41:32.169 --> 00:41:36.434 Joanne Donn: If you live in Denver and you're lucky enough to be near the Revzilla store 00:41:36.434 --> 00:41:41.134 Joanne Donn: and the Revit store, now you see thousands of options you would never have seen 00:41:41.134 --> 00:41:43.170 Joanne Donn: in your, wherever you're from. 00:41:43.623 --> 00:41:46.230 Robin Dean: Let's talk about money. 00:41:46.741 --> 00:41:48.371 Joanne Donn: Oh, I want some. 00:41:48.830 --> 00:41:50.700 Robin Dean: Yeah, we all want more of it. 00:41:51.928 --> 00:41:55.790 Robin Dean: If you're addressing the willing, anybody who's decided for themselves, 00:41:55.790 --> 00:42:02.730 Robin Dean: yes, I am good for armor now, and then they see the price tag of enough to keep 00:42:02.730 --> 00:42:04.293 Robin Dean: them relatively safe, and they're like, 00:42:05.190 --> 00:42:07.370 Robin Dean: I don't have anything near that. Anyhow, I'm going to go ride. 00:42:07.822 --> 00:42:12.368 Robin Dean: What would you recommend to somebody who is on the lowest price, 00:42:12.693 --> 00:42:17.610 Robin Dean: highest purchase rating spree to just get themselves safe-ish? 00:42:18.074 --> 00:42:23.692 Joanne Donn: I probably would encourage used options, eBay, Facebook Marketplace, 00:42:24.151 --> 00:42:27.721 Joanne Donn: maybe any local motorcycle regional clubs. 00:42:28.192 --> 00:42:33.846 Joanne Donn: Or groups. If you contact a hog owner's group, that's not what I'm talking about. 00:42:34.310 --> 00:42:41.259 Joanne Donn: But say if you live in Colorado and you buy an entry-level sport bike, 00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:46.020 Joanne Donn: well, there's a ton of Facebook groups that cater to your riding lifestyle. 00:42:46.020 --> 00:42:49.720 Joanne Donn: There's like Denver sport bike riders. And I would go in there and be like, 00:42:49.720 --> 00:42:52.254 Joanne Donn: hey, I'm new. Does anyone have a jacket they don't want anymore? 00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:56.834 Joanne Donn: And I've responded to post it like that. It's like, does anyone have small women's gloves? 00:42:57.298 --> 00:43:01.466 Joanne Donn: And there are people there who will be willing to give it to you and not sell it to you. 00:43:01.925 --> 00:43:05.760 Joanne Donn: But you know what's really difficult is when you're new to motorcycling, 00:43:06.080 --> 00:43:08.867 Joanne Donn: you don't have motorcycle friends, typically. 00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:11.166 Joanne Donn: You don't already know motorcycle people. 00:43:11.625 --> 00:43:12.449 Robin Dean: Zero mentors. 00:43:12.908 --> 00:43:16.730 Joanne Donn: Your people are not motorcycle people. You're jumping into something that's 00:43:16.730 --> 00:43:21.070 Joanne Donn: totally new, out of your comfort zone, that makes it really hard. 00:43:21.070 --> 00:43:27.180 Joanne Donn: So my hope is that people are Googling and they're researching to see what they should do. 00:43:27.660 --> 00:43:33.170 Joanne Donn: And I'm sure that, you know, MSF and Total Control and all the training classes 00:43:33.170 --> 00:43:35.709 Joanne Donn: are giving, you know, some good general advice. 00:43:36.167 --> 00:43:41.550 Joanne Donn: But that's always my favorite. Facebook Marketplace, eBay, because there's a 00:43:41.550 --> 00:43:43.150 Joanne Donn: lot of good used product. 00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:47.330 Joanne Donn: I've actually bought a ton of great used product on eBay, cheap, 00:43:47.330 --> 00:43:51.411 Joanne Donn: like really expensive for things that should cost a lot. 00:43:51.870 --> 00:43:55.760 Joanne Donn: So you can find it. And then if you do need help finding something, 00:43:55.760 --> 00:43:57.777 Joanne Donn: you can always hit me up and I'll help you. 00:43:57.975 --> 00:44:00.001 Joanne Donn: I'm really good at shopping and looking for that stuff. 00:44:00.459 --> 00:44:06.040 Joanne Donn: But I would also say that you have to have a budget. No matter how big or small 00:44:06.040 --> 00:44:07.872 Joanne Donn: it is, you need to have one. 00:44:20.707 --> 00:44:23.429 Brian Wringer: We got a cart here at Cycle Gear. What do we got here? 00:44:23.909 --> 00:44:31.571 Brian Wringer: $394.96 for a jacket, some pants, and this is all mesh because nobody's riding in the winter. 00:44:32.030 --> 00:44:35.994 Brian Wringer: $120 helmet. Is it a great helmet? No. Is it a helmet? Hell yeah. 00:44:36.436 --> 00:44:36.662 Joanne Donn: Yeah. 00:44:37.126 --> 00:44:38.113 Brian Wringer: And some gloves. 00:44:38.578 --> 00:44:39.518 Robin Dean: Price after tax? 00:44:39.971 --> 00:44:47.285 Brian Wringer: $409.96. Depending on tax, you're just over, you're about $430 for jacket, 00:44:47.535 --> 00:44:49.683 Brian Wringer: pants, helmet, and gloves. 00:44:50.141 --> 00:44:52.063 Brian Wringer: And this is built stuff at CycleGear. 00:44:52.521 --> 00:44:54.623 Brian Wringer: I know somebody who did that. 00:44:55.046 --> 00:44:57.003 Robin Dean: $3.94, $4.95 with a CycleGear discount. 00:44:57.450 --> 00:45:00.480 Brian Wringer: Yeah. Yeah, there you go. That's all new. That's not used. 00:45:00.944 --> 00:45:05.385 Joanne Donn: And it's real product, actual product, not fake product. 00:45:05.826 --> 00:45:09.129 Brian Wringer: If you add more to that, you can do better. You can go to Sedici. 00:45:09.594 --> 00:45:12.566 Brian Wringer: You can go to Dionysia. You can go to Alpine Stars. Yeah. 00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:15.050 Joanne Donn: You can also do better buying used. 00:45:15.376 --> 00:45:17.999 Robin Dean: Absolutely. Yes, you knocked it out of the park with that. 00:45:18.359 --> 00:45:23.249 Joanne Donn: You can do way better buying used. And honestly, I would go there first because 00:45:23.249 --> 00:45:29.649 Joanne Donn: you can find such good product used for nothing instead of buying new basic product. 00:45:30.096 --> 00:45:34.079 Brian Wringer: If I were on Facebook, which I'm not, and somebody in my area said, 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.143 Brian Wringer: hey, I'm a new writer. I'm about yay big. 00:45:37.607 --> 00:45:39.221 Brian Wringer: Has anybody got anything in their closet? 00:45:40.568 --> 00:45:44.879 Brian Wringer: They could not give me their money. I would refuse it. Yeah, 00:45:44.879 --> 00:45:49.850 Brian Wringer: I think people would be like, well, Well, hell yeah, I've got all kinds of stuff in my closet. 00:45:50.303 --> 00:45:51.063 Joanne Donn: Absolutely. 00:45:51.365 --> 00:45:55.389 Brian Wringer: And I've done it before. A guy showed up to buy a helmet. I had a new helmet 00:45:55.389 --> 00:45:58.366 Brian Wringer: that didn't fit me very well, and I forgot to return it. 00:45:59.209 --> 00:46:02.203 Brian Wringer: And a guy showed up to buy it. It fit him great. He felt great in it. 00:46:02.668 --> 00:46:05.809 Brian Wringer: I actually, like, I ended up, like, lowering the price, like, 00:46:05.809 --> 00:46:07.219 Brian Wringer: 50 bucks, like, here, buddy. 00:46:07.677 --> 00:46:11.729 Brian Wringer: And I'm like, do you need any other stuff? Because we're about the same size. 00:46:11.729 --> 00:46:13.772 Brian Wringer: And I, like, gave him a bunch of stuff. 00:46:14.237 --> 00:46:15.380 Robin Dean: You guys want to do a quick baguette? 00:46:16.149 --> 00:46:20.964 Brian Wringer: Oh boy you got the alliteration grab baguette a little french cafe music 00:46:21.428 --> 00:46:22.537 Robin Dean: I do do you want to hear it. 00:46:22.995 --> 00:46:24.075 Brian Wringer: I'd love to hear it 00:46:31.836 --> 00:46:36.827 Brian Wringer: We're spinning the wheel, the wheel of pain. We got V, the letter V. 00:46:37.665 --> 00:46:42.347 Brian Wringer: It stands for Vicarious Voyeur. YouTube, movies, TV. 00:46:43.220 --> 00:46:46.935 Brian Wringer: What's some riding you've seen on the screen that makes you want to be there? 00:46:47.347 --> 00:46:51.103 Brian Wringer: Even just your favorite YouTube channel or what's a ride you saw on the screen? 00:46:51.539 --> 00:46:56.740 Brian Wringer: Here's what came to mind for me was my wife and I watch Itchy Boots every Sunday. 00:46:57.198 --> 00:47:01.262 Brian Wringer: Who doesn't watch Itchy Boots? Anyway, when she was in Turkey, 00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:05.407 Brian Wringer: the off-road riding in Turkey and the mountains and everything, 00:47:05.842 --> 00:47:08.071 Brian Wringer: I don't know what it was or what, but... 00:47:08.618 --> 00:47:13.465 Brian Wringer: That place she's been in the world that I want to go to and I want to ride the most is Turkey. 00:47:13.854 --> 00:47:14.318 Robin Dean: Why is it? 00:47:14.818 --> 00:47:19.461 Brian Wringer: The terrain was gorgeous. The roads were really primitive and it was really 00:47:19.461 --> 00:47:25.921 Brian Wringer: remote and just incredible scenery in and out of mountains. Just really challenging stuff. 00:47:26.380 --> 00:47:30.211 Brian Wringer: The big bureaucracy, the big problem in a lot of these countries is just getting 00:47:30.211 --> 00:47:31.912 Brian Wringer: at the border, getting in and out of the country. 00:47:32.336 --> 00:47:37.241 Brian Wringer: But once she was in the country, there was just enough gas stations and people 00:47:37.636 --> 00:47:41.392 Brian Wringer: to get by. but just spectacular off-road riding. I'd love to go there. 00:47:41.821 --> 00:47:43.685 Brian Wringer: Love to ride there. Where do you want to ride, Joanne? 00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:48.509 Joanne Donn: I'm going to piggyback off of Itchy Boots, and I want to go to West Africa. 00:47:48.961 --> 00:47:53.901 Joanne Donn: She hit just some amazing countries, but west side, right? 00:47:53.901 --> 00:47:58.491 Joanne Donn: Away from, of course, Civil War, but all the little countries on the left where 00:47:58.491 --> 00:48:06.481 Joanne Donn: everything is just, you know, is great and it's peaceful. But the people all were so wonderful. 00:48:06.887 --> 00:48:10.074 Joanne Donn: Everyone helped her, But the scenery was stunning. 00:48:10.521 --> 00:48:15.627 Joanne Donn: The terrain was crazy. But just to be in a completely different place like that 00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:19.592 Joanne Donn: and meet totally different people, experience a different culture. 00:48:20.056 --> 00:48:22.500 Joanne Donn: But the riding there looked really cool, too. 00:48:22.929 --> 00:48:24.485 Brian Wringer: Yeah, well, except for all the mud. 00:48:24.932 --> 00:48:25.774 Joanne Donn: I would skip that. 00:48:26.301 --> 00:48:27.911 Brian Wringer: Except for the rainy season mud. 00:48:27.911 --> 00:48:29.101 Joanne Donn: Yeah, that was, you know. 00:48:29.959 --> 00:48:30.901 Brian Wringer: Other than that. 00:48:31.347 --> 00:48:36.021 Joanne Donn: Let's just assume it's dry season. But yeah, I would want to check out some 00:48:36.021 --> 00:48:37.500 Joanne Donn: parts. Maybe not her whole route. 00:48:37.959 --> 00:48:41.391 Joanne Donn: But I would want to explore like West Africa. I want to go to Africa someday. 00:48:41.391 --> 00:48:42.684 Joanne Donn: It's just an amazing continent. 00:48:43.142 --> 00:48:43.404 Robin Dean: Nice. 00:48:43.978 --> 00:48:44.826 Brian Wringer: Pressure's on, Robin. 00:48:45.279 --> 00:48:48.352 Robin Dean: Well, I'll give you a two for one, be that road in Spain I told you about a 00:48:48.352 --> 00:48:51.262 Robin Dean: long time ago. It's like I planned a route for a person riding through Spain, 00:48:51.262 --> 00:48:53.521 Robin Dean: and there was an amazing mountain road with nothing. 00:48:53.979 --> 00:48:56.917 Robin Dean: 50 miles in, tennis court. That was the only thing on the road. 00:48:57.173 --> 00:49:01.370 Robin Dean: No gas stations, no people. Well, that's straight out of Mission Impossible. 00:49:01.718 --> 00:49:08.432 Robin Dean: But no, I think I would like to make a habit of taking on the ride to any accessible. 00:49:08.432 --> 00:49:11.682 Robin Dean: Now, accessible is the key word, interview that we would put on on this show. 00:49:11.682 --> 00:49:15.402 Robin Dean: If it's in the United States, you know what I mean? Or maybe even Mexico or 00:49:15.402 --> 00:49:21.291 Robin Dean: Canada, ride my bike to the interview I want to have. Because next year, all about interviews. 00:49:22.462 --> 00:49:25.726 Robin Dean: I've already got everything, starting to collect the dock and see if I can make 00:49:25.726 --> 00:49:30.009 Robin Dean: things happen. So the first one that made me think of this is Motoguzi Mark, 00:49:30.467 --> 00:49:32.400 Robin Dean: who I think is an amazing individual. 00:49:32.859 --> 00:49:39.158 Robin Dean: This guy is a chain-smoking, oil-covered, pack rat of Motoguzi garage. 00:49:41.311 --> 00:49:46.556 Robin Dean: Long Beach, California, Motoguzi shop. And he's got no tolerance for anybody 00:49:46.556 --> 00:49:48.944 Robin Dean: who's making bad decisions and will call you out. 00:49:49.410 --> 00:49:52.980 Robin Dean: The first video I saw this guy was a person that bought a Moto Guzi, 00:49:53.443 --> 00:49:57.746 Robin Dean: new to the purchase, sight unseen, heard it was going to be okay, 00:49:57.746 --> 00:49:59.103 Robin Dean: wanted to own it, bought it. 00:49:59.457 --> 00:50:02.750 Robin Dean: It had first gear and nothing else. Could not shift at a first. 00:50:03.202 --> 00:50:09.076 Robin Dean: And this guy called the person who sold it to him and made him give him a full 00:50:09.076 --> 00:50:12.401 Robin Dean: refund, complete with the title transfer cost. 00:50:12.871 --> 00:50:18.949 Robin Dean: I'm going to discuss having him on for an interview just for the sake of humanity. 00:50:19.210 --> 00:50:20.435 Robin Dean: We all need to hear from this guy. 00:50:20.894 --> 00:50:23.883 Robin Dean: Not all dinosaurs stand alike. 00:50:24.726 --> 00:50:27.018 Robin Dean: It's like, I want to ride to these people and just be like, hi, 00:50:27.123 --> 00:50:29.433 Robin Dean: I'm here. You're worth it. Let's talk. 00:50:29.892 --> 00:50:33.235 Robin Dean: If I had the means, I would do it more often. What are we talking about next week? 00:50:33.694 --> 00:50:36.718 Brian Wringer: I have an idea. Maybe it'll be something different. I don't know. 00:50:37.183 --> 00:50:44.300 Brian Wringer: It's kind of the old question of old versus new, tradition versus fresh roads and so forth. 00:50:44.747 --> 00:50:49.046 Brian Wringer: And also mixing in motivation. Like I've been to Missouri, we've stayed in the 00:50:49.046 --> 00:50:51.730 Brian Wringer: same hotel, and we've ridden pretty much the same roads. 00:50:52.194 --> 00:50:56.275 Brian Wringer: It was 15 years ago, something like that. It was a long time, 2012 around in there. 00:50:56.734 --> 00:50:58.197 Robin Dean: When the restaurant and bar were still there. 00:50:58.650 --> 00:51:01.836 Brian Wringer: Back when it was awesome, yeah. And so things have changed there. 00:51:02.301 --> 00:51:05.319 Brian Wringer: But yeah, the thing that I'm a little bit surprised by is like I'm... 00:51:06.184 --> 00:51:09.981 Brian Wringer: On one hand, I'm not feeling the motivation. Like I've been there, done that. 00:51:10.445 --> 00:51:15.854 Brian Wringer: And then when I get there, it'll be awesome. Can't wait to see P and C and 32 00:51:15.854 --> 00:51:19.187 Brian Wringer: and 34 and all this wonderful riding out there. 00:51:19.565 --> 00:51:22.705 Brian Wringer: But you got to cross Illinois to get there, which Illinois is, 00:51:23.164 --> 00:51:26.763 Brian Wringer: you know, you balance that motivation against mojo. Maybe that's what we would call it. 00:51:27.216 --> 00:51:28.046 Robin Dean: Moto mojo. 00:51:28.504 --> 00:51:33.996 Brian Wringer: Motivation. So, yeah, how do you balance that and decide, okay, here's the plate. 00:51:34.460 --> 00:51:38.849 Brian Wringer: Here's the buffet of what's available to do during the time I have to do it this year. 00:51:39.307 --> 00:51:43.116 Brian Wringer: You know, and also money stirs in there. Money and motivation and mojo. 00:51:43.568 --> 00:51:46.424 Brian Wringer: Maybe we can have an interesting discussion about priorities, 00:51:46.895 --> 00:51:49.594 Brian Wringer: figuring out what you're going to do next, how you're going to do it. 00:51:50.053 --> 00:51:54.724 Brian Wringer: And then when the time comes, like tonight, like, oh crap, I got to get my bike 00:51:54.724 --> 00:51:58.899 Brian Wringer: loaded up. I got to figure it out and I got to hit the road in the morning. 00:51:59.364 --> 00:52:02.934 Robin Dean: I think it's a great topic. I look forward to it. And that's what we got for 00:52:02.934 --> 00:52:07.408 Robin Dean: this episode. my goodness y'all just work me you guys good you guys ready to get out of here. 00:52:07.762 --> 00:52:09.115 Brian Wringer: Yes let's get out of here