WEBVTT 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.041 Brian Wringer: Do anything interesting last weekend, Robin? Well, yes. Yes, you did. 00:02:03.511 --> 00:02:04.271 Robin Dean: So did you. 00:02:04.736 --> 00:02:07.917 Brian Wringer: So we did. We just happened to run into each other. 00:02:08.370 --> 00:02:14.523 Brian Wringer: All right. So long story short, we went to a track day at Putnam Park Racecourse in Indiana. 00:02:14.976 --> 00:02:16.877 Brian Wringer: It's just west of Indianapolis. 00:02:17.377 --> 00:02:20.927 Brian Wringer: And the cool thing here, there are a lot of cool things, but one of the cool 00:02:20.927 --> 00:02:25.152 Brian Wringer: things is it's about 45, 50 minutes from my house. 00:02:25.616 --> 00:02:30.937 Brian Wringer: Man, that was so nice. And then we got there and we found that this sleepy little 00:02:30.937 --> 00:02:36.739 Brian Wringer: track, what looks like it's in the middle of a cornfield in Indiana, is an absolute gem. 00:02:37.192 --> 00:02:39.345 Brian Wringer: Pavement is immaculate. 00:02:39.804 --> 00:02:40.001 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:02:40.553 --> 00:02:46.627 Brian Wringer: The course layout is really fun, really fast, you know, has a lot of challenges. 00:02:46.627 --> 00:02:48.111 Brian Wringer: Anything has a lot of challenges. 00:02:48.581 --> 00:02:52.367 Brian Wringer: For me, all the challenges it had were like legit. 00:02:52.367 --> 00:02:56.567 Brian Wringer: It wasn't like, oh we've got a surface change here because we need to repave 00:02:56.567 --> 00:02:57.434 Brian Wringer: and we don't have any money, 00:02:57.898 --> 00:03:02.947 Brian Wringer: I mean no I mean this thing was immaculate this thing the challenges were designed into the course, 00:03:03.411 --> 00:03:07.097 Brian Wringer: they had some surprises like we didn't realize we thought it would just be an 00:03:07.097 --> 00:03:12.107 Brian Wringer: Indiana flat cornfield track it's got like all these little elevation changes, 00:03:12.571 --> 00:03:16.559 Brian Wringer: and that kind of keep you from seeing what the heck is coming up what's going on. 00:03:17.018 --> 00:03:20.907 Robin Dean: It completely makes up for the fact that it's ever so slightly shorter than 00:03:20.907 --> 00:03:24.067 Robin Dean: Black Hawk Farms Raceway, which is a pretty short track. I mean, 00:03:24.067 --> 00:03:26.857 Robin Dean: it's a great track, but it's not long by any means. 00:03:27.165 --> 00:03:29.313 Robin Dean: And this one's even shorter than that, but they make up for it. 00:03:29.772 --> 00:03:37.138 Robin Dean: There's an elevation change of some kind in every single turn. And that is just fun. 00:03:37.579 --> 00:03:41.247 Brian Wringer: Oh, it's just, yeah, it's just a blast. And if you look at a picture of the 00:03:41.247 --> 00:03:46.557 Brian Wringer: circuit, you will see that it is remarkably, there's a lot of runoff room. 00:03:46.557 --> 00:03:48.974 Brian Wringer: It's very flat. I mean, we love Blackhawks. 00:03:50.188 --> 00:03:56.909 Brian Wringer: They've got these giant corrugated concrete curbs that are just enormously huge. 00:03:57.373 --> 00:04:00.127 Brian Wringer: And they have, you know, they have the curbing. They've got the candy stripes 00:04:00.127 --> 00:04:03.300 Brian Wringer: on the inside, et cetera. But yeah, there's tons of runoff. 00:04:03.764 --> 00:04:07.967 Brian Wringer: So it's a super safe track in a lot of ways where, you know, 00:04:07.967 --> 00:04:11.627 Brian Wringer: some other tracks, yeah, you're going to be, you know, there's things you need 00:04:11.627 --> 00:04:16.437 Brian Wringer: to be a little wary of on some tracks. This one here, it's really well designed. 00:04:16.889 --> 00:04:20.053 Brian Wringer: They have some like different kind of cutouts in there. 00:04:20.303 --> 00:04:24.767 Brian Wringer: So you can you can actually slow traffic down by going through those little kinks and so forth, 00:04:25.231 --> 00:04:30.277 Brian Wringer: what we rode was the main course which is without all the little weird little 00:04:30.277 --> 00:04:35.338 Brian Wringer: kinks and cutovers and whatnot and the facilities were very nice, 00:04:35.808 --> 00:04:38.397 Brian Wringer: yeah the garages look great you know we'll do. 00:04:38.397 --> 00:04:39.105 Robin Dean: That next time 00:04:39.564 --> 00:04:43.397 Brian Wringer: Next time we might get a garage because yeah that looked really pimp 55. 00:04:43.397 --> 00:04:45.189 Robin Dean: Bucks for the day it was cheap 00:04:45.705 --> 00:04:51.207 Brian Wringer: Yes 55 bucks for the day for a garage and also like The organization is Sport 00:04:51.207 --> 00:04:54.517 Brian Wringer: Bike Track Time that ran this track day, and there are a couple of them, 00:04:54.517 --> 00:04:55.885 Brian Wringer: I think, that run at Putnam Park. 00:04:56.344 --> 00:04:59.699 Brian Wringer: Sport Bike Track Time is kind of the main one that puts motorcycles out here. 00:05:00.557 --> 00:05:05.469 Brian Wringer: For me, there were some differences between the only other track days I've done or three at MotoVid. 00:05:05.928 --> 00:05:09.307 Brian Wringer: So it was really interesting to see some of the little differences, 00:05:09.307 --> 00:05:12.157 Brian Wringer: and we'll get to some of that. Some of the things were, frankly, 00:05:12.157 --> 00:05:13.439 Brian Wringer: a little annoying. We'll get to that. 00:05:13.898 --> 00:05:16.017 Brian Wringer: Most of the time, there were little differences. 00:05:16.481 --> 00:05:20.353 Brian Wringer: Mostly didn't matter. It's still riding motorcycles in circles and going as fast as you can. 00:05:20.812 --> 00:05:23.047 Robin Dean: How do you want to, we can look at it from the beginning too. 00:05:23.047 --> 00:05:27.447 Robin Dean: So the night before, the way it worked was I'm on my motorcycle. 00:05:27.447 --> 00:05:30.697 Robin Dean: Brian's got the house and the trailer and the minivan and all the stuff that's 00:05:30.697 --> 00:05:34.633 Robin Dean: necessary to make things happen. So I packed up everything I could onto my bike, 00:05:35.028 --> 00:05:37.768 Robin Dean: rode to his place, crashed there for an evening. 00:05:38.227 --> 00:05:44.217 Robin Dean: And when I got there that night, we first drove his already trailered and ready kit and, 00:05:45.048 --> 00:05:49.607 Robin Dean: to the park discovered right then and there that when you enter the park you 00:05:49.607 --> 00:05:55.246 Robin Dean: don't have to cross the track get into anything so the entire 00:05:55.704 --> 00:06:01.225 Robin Dean: pit system is off track by an entryway that has access which i think is 00:06:01.689 --> 00:06:06.217 Robin Dean: downright lovely and yes they do have plenty of garages they do sell out kind 00:06:06.217 --> 00:06:09.367 Robin Dean: of quick but they've got a good number of them for a very cheap amount of money 00:06:09.367 --> 00:06:14.570 Robin Dean: for a lot of space especially for a motorcycle related track deck so we went 00:06:15.035 --> 00:06:20.727 Robin Dean: And just sort of stopped and stared at the elevation changes then went over 00:06:20.727 --> 00:06:23.597 Robin Dean: to the risers and noticed that 00:06:23.937 --> 00:06:29.095 Robin Dean: you can see the entire circuit minus one section that's hidden by trees 00:06:29.559 --> 00:06:34.180 Robin Dean: from the bleachers you can see the whole circuit it's really fantastic like that 00:06:34.638 --> 00:06:40.097 Robin Dean: so we went and did our bit we set everything up got comfortable got his bike 00:06:40.097 --> 00:06:44.762 Robin Dean: offloaded and got the trailer blanked out for my bike then drove back to his place 00:06:45.227 --> 00:06:50.074 Robin Dean: and immediately started prepping that which actually technically not my bike maggie's 00:06:50.538 --> 00:06:56.567 Robin Dean: 2018 sv650 current gen lovely machine i was certainly changing my signature 00:06:56.567 --> 00:06:59.250 Robin Dean: my emails to their photo people saying robin quote 00:06:59.709 --> 00:07:05.926 Robin Dean: definitely outgunned dean because i was getting passed all day but having just so much fun. 00:07:06.385 --> 00:07:10.222 Robin Dean: I think I passed maybe three or four people all total, but that bike was just a hoot. 00:07:10.686 --> 00:07:14.067 Robin Dean: Some pretty good photos that I got to witness after. But that's the point is 00:07:14.067 --> 00:07:19.167 Robin Dean: we got all set up the night before and then I insisted when we got back to 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:25.035 Robin Dean: the sv i was like first things first i need three fingers of bourbon because 00:07:25.035 --> 00:07:29.187 Robin Dean: i need otherwise i'm not going to get to sleep on time i put me out you know 00:07:29.459 --> 00:07:33.157 Robin Dean: so brian walks out with this lovely glass of tasty tasty bourbon 00:07:33.622 --> 00:07:35.445 Robin Dean: got the bike set up went to sleep and 00:07:36.245 --> 00:07:42.555 Robin Dean: next morning there was very little discussion points in the the van at what time 5 a.m 00:07:43.014 --> 00:07:47.379 Brian Wringer: Yeah we had to get up at 5 had to leave at six so we got there a little bit before seven got in line, 00:07:47.838 --> 00:07:51.005 Brian Wringer: yeah and i also want to mention one little detail that's really nice is when 00:07:51.005 --> 00:07:54.355 Brian Wringer: we got there the day before, I had to stop and sign a waiver because, 00:07:54.355 --> 00:07:57.335 Brian Wringer: you know, if you die or something, but you had to stop and sign a waiver, 00:07:57.335 --> 00:08:00.881 Brian Wringer: but there's no admission fee just to be there at the track. So that was nice. 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:05.545 Brian Wringer: We wander in, set up, unload a bunch of crap, you know, set up the canopy, 00:08:05.545 --> 00:08:10.125 Brian Wringer: set up my bike, wander around, get the vibe, see where tech is and all that 00:08:10.125 --> 00:08:12.583 Brian Wringer: stuff. Very, you know, see where the bathroom is, all that good stuff. 00:08:13.042 --> 00:08:15.370 Brian Wringer: And yeah, the next morning, get right in, get set up. 00:08:15.834 --> 00:08:19.660 Brian Wringer: So one of the things, and I think this is every track day, but it's pretty tight. 00:08:20.112 --> 00:08:23.241 Brian Wringer: The track opens at 7 a.m. And, 00:08:23.723 --> 00:08:28.715 Brian Wringer: The rider's meeting is at 8.15, 8.20, something like that. 00:08:29.110 --> 00:08:29.371 Robin Dean: Right. 00:08:29.836 --> 00:08:34.601 Brian Wringer: So you've got a little over an hour to get set up, whatever you need to set 00:08:34.601 --> 00:08:38.081 Brian Wringer: up. So we unloaded Robin's bike, unloaded the coolers, blah, 00:08:38.081 --> 00:08:40.494 Brian Wringer: blah, blah, get everything set up where we want it. 00:08:40.958 --> 00:08:45.689 Brian Wringer: It's always an operation. You streamline over time, I think. But get over to tech. 00:08:46.067 --> 00:08:50.761 Robin Dean: There's a trick to that now. You feel the tension of the scheduling they have 00:08:50.761 --> 00:08:52.978 Robin Dean: arranged, and it is a bit militant. 00:08:53.431 --> 00:08:58.040 Robin Dean: You know you are having a good time you will enjoy today you know it's all intense 00:08:58.504 --> 00:09:06.051 Robin Dean: but i told you that i was not going to have that and i didn't i've walked over 00:09:06.051 --> 00:09:10.335 Robin Dean: asked about so what time do i do something what's happening when who am i talking to 00:09:10.794 --> 00:09:17.533 Robin Dean: and that got done and then as i was getting ready to leave i said okay so where is tech gonna happen 00:09:17.998 --> 00:09:21.211 Robin Dean: and they were like over there And they kind of waved in a vague direction. 00:09:21.211 --> 00:09:24.969 Robin Dean: I was like, oh, okay, I'm looking here. Where, where is it? 00:09:25.306 --> 00:09:28.319 Robin Dean: And then I hear a voice say, do you see the sign? 00:09:28.772 --> 00:09:32.597 Robin Dean: And that was my first opportunity to make sure it was understood. 00:09:33.044 --> 00:09:38.031 Robin Dean: I turned around and I looked at this person very calmly and I waited for them 00:09:38.031 --> 00:09:42.715 Robin Dean: to understand that I'm not having that shit tell me where the fucking sign is. 00:09:43.191 --> 00:09:47.251 Robin Dean: And the person looked up and they were large and in charge. 00:09:47.251 --> 00:09:49.521 Robin Dean: They, they're the one that was running the presentation of everything. 00:09:49.521 --> 00:09:53.311 Robin Dean: They looked up and they, they looked at me and they gave me a wink and a smile. 00:09:53.311 --> 00:09:58.567 Robin Dean: They knew that I was just like, no, they made up for the brashness of the initial. 00:09:58.968 --> 00:10:01.021 Robin Dean: That's where you're, you know, do you not know where you're going? 00:10:01.021 --> 00:10:03.571 Robin Dean: What do you know where you're going? You know, like, so tech. 00:10:04.117 --> 00:10:05.092 Robin Dean: It all got done. 00:10:05.545 --> 00:10:10.729 Brian Wringer: He got through tech just fine. I forget what his title is. The guy who runs the whole day, Owen. 00:10:11.141 --> 00:10:11.954 Robin Dean: Presentor. 00:10:12.418 --> 00:10:15.814 Brian Wringer: The director of the track organization, whatever. 00:10:16.278 --> 00:10:20.116 Brian Wringer: Yeah, Owen. Great little talk. They go over the flags like they always do, that kind of stuff. 00:10:20.580 --> 00:10:23.954 Brian Wringer: There's kind of a quirk about Putnam that we'll get to in a little bit later. 00:10:23.954 --> 00:10:28.794 Brian Wringer: So Robin got through tech with no issues. 00:10:29.258 --> 00:10:31.964 Brian Wringer: It was, what, five seconds and you had your sticker? 00:10:32.347 --> 00:10:37.604 Robin Dean: I got some kid in pajama pants who was like, I don't really like that chain. 00:10:37.604 --> 00:10:39.266 Robin Dean: I was like, me neither. That chain's done. 00:10:39.696 --> 00:10:42.372 Robin Dean: He's like, you're going to want to get a new chain after this. I was like, all right. 00:10:42.830 --> 00:10:43.092 Brian Wringer: Yes. 00:10:43.457 --> 00:10:47.647 Robin Dean: And I was fine. Nice bike. Chain's kind of bad. I agree. Hey, have a good day. 00:10:48.094 --> 00:10:48.298 Brian Wringer: Yeah. 00:10:48.675 --> 00:10:49.162 Robin Dean: Brian. 00:10:49.615 --> 00:10:54.274 Brian Wringer: Yeah. It was a little bit different. And I'm not going to call him out by name 00:10:54.274 --> 00:10:56.244 Brian Wringer: or anything, but we'll just call him Mr. P. 00:10:58.166 --> 00:11:01.804 Brian Wringer: I don't know why. And maybe it's just because I was new to this organization 00:11:01.804 --> 00:11:03.559 Brian Wringer: and I was riding a novice this fine day. 00:11:04.012 --> 00:11:07.965 Brian Wringer: But yeah, I got a lot of scrutiny to make sure my fork seals weren't leaking. 00:11:08.412 --> 00:11:12.234 Brian Wringer: You know, I operated all the controls, said my throttle seemed a little slow 00:11:12.234 --> 00:11:16.014 Brian Wringer: to return. I'm like, the throttle body, that's what Yamaha gave me in the throttle 00:11:16.014 --> 00:11:17.653 Brian Wringer: body. So I don't know what to tell you, buddy. 00:11:18.112 --> 00:11:21.525 Brian Wringer: And I'm not going to repeat it because, frankly, it was offensive language. 00:11:21.996 --> 00:11:25.064 Brian Wringer: He was not happy with the state of my brake pads. He was not happy with the 00:11:25.064 --> 00:11:28.782 Brian Wringer: state of my brake lines. He was not happy with the state of my brake light. 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:32.677 Brian Wringer: It kind of was like, at a certain point, you can tell, 00:11:33.148 --> 00:11:37.147 Brian Wringer: that it's kind of a ritual. I'll just sit here and take it, and I'll smile and 00:11:37.147 --> 00:11:41.461 Brian Wringer: nod, and yes, sir, no, sir, yes, sir. And then I got my sticker. 00:11:41.850 --> 00:11:44.607 Robin Dean: Yeah, you remember last episode, Joanne made a great point about putting yourself 00:11:44.607 --> 00:11:48.867 Robin Dean: in other people's shoes. Imagine what his home life might be like. I have no idea. 00:11:49.314 --> 00:11:53.927 Brian Wringer: Wants to work out on a newbie. You know, some 58-year-old fat guy showed up 00:11:53.927 --> 00:11:57.429 Brian Wringer: and wants to ride on a motorcycle on his track. 00:11:57.870 --> 00:12:00.430 Robin Dean: You're in my school now, guy I've never met 00:12:00.889 --> 00:12:04.477 Brian Wringer: Yeah and he's like this has my blank the blank name on it so don't go out there 00:12:04.477 --> 00:12:09.434 Brian Wringer: and embarrass me you know i'm a grown man you're a grown man this this elevates neither of us sir. 00:12:09.817 --> 00:12:14.477 Robin Dean: You have to want him to like adjust his belt a lot you want him to be that guy 00:12:14.477 --> 00:12:17.816 Robin Dean: he's all just oh yeah i'll talk to you about the things that i know 00:12:18.269 --> 00:12:23.327 Brian Wringer: For the record i will state i ordered a set of new brake pads because one of 00:12:23.327 --> 00:12:26.187 Brian Wringer: the things that occurred to me is like i don't have a new set of brake pads 00:12:26.187 --> 00:12:27.841 Brian Wringer: on hand in case this guy pushes it. 00:12:28.294 --> 00:12:31.737 Brian Wringer: I probably should have. So anyway, I noticed that the pad material measures 00:12:31.737 --> 00:12:38.087 Brian Wringer: 4.25 millimeters, EBC brake pads, and the pads on my bike after the track day 00:12:38.087 --> 00:12:40.310 Brian Wringer: measured 2.7 millimeter. 00:12:40.762 --> 00:12:43.455 Brian Wringer: So that works out to 63.5 percent. 00:12:43.914 --> 00:12:46.341 Brian Wringer: And so they had to be around 65, 70 percent before. 00:12:46.805 --> 00:12:50.857 Brian Wringer: Anyway, plenty of meat on these pads way above what they, you know, 00:12:50.857 --> 00:12:53.727 Brian Wringer: in the manual that says they can go down to a millimeter thick. 00:12:53.727 --> 00:12:54.044 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:12:54.497 --> 00:12:55.936 Brian Wringer: Whatever. Fine. 00:12:56.395 --> 00:12:58.377 Robin Dean: Some people like the sound of their own voice. I mean, hell, 00:12:58.377 --> 00:12:59.820 Robin Dean: we run a podcast. We understand that. 00:13:00.278 --> 00:13:01.103 Brian Wringer: Yeah, voice, voice, voice. 00:13:01.572 --> 00:13:05.287 Brian Wringer: And that's one detail. Some track days, and this is something we maybe should 00:13:05.287 --> 00:13:10.285 Brian Wringer: compile somewhere sometime, but some track days specify 50% pad life, 00:13:10.715 --> 00:13:13.008 Brian Wringer: and some just say your brake pad should look good. 00:13:13.455 --> 00:13:17.704 Brian Wringer: And this guy went on, you know, and the brakes were dirty and blah, blah, blah, you know. 00:13:18.157 --> 00:13:22.377 Brian Wringer: Anyway, I got my sticker and I got to ride in the yellow group like a good little 00:13:22.377 --> 00:13:23.991 Brian Wringer: boy, and it was all good. So happy. 00:13:24.362 --> 00:13:28.194 Robin Dean: Intermediate rider signs up for novice and gets that. 00:13:28.652 --> 00:13:33.917 Brian Wringer: I would also say that showing up with a clean bike would probably also be helpful, too. 00:13:34.376 --> 00:13:37.337 Brian Wringer: My brakes were dirty. I mean, this is a street bike. It gets ridden a lot. 00:13:37.337 --> 00:13:38.457 Brian Wringer: It gets ridden in the rain. 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:43.418 Brian Wringer: And I hadn't really paid a lot of attention to cleaning things up, so it was kind of filthy. 00:13:43.789 --> 00:13:48.068 Robin Dean: That is the truth behind it, is that there are different outfits operating the 00:13:48.271 --> 00:13:49.745 Robin Dean: different kinds of track days. 00:13:49.855 --> 00:13:53.227 Robin Dean: You get a different vibe, a different environment. People start to go on the 00:13:53.227 --> 00:13:55.382 Robin Dean: regular to what they know and understand. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:03.311 Robin Dean: And STT has oftentimes, more so now than I've ever seen, a lot of what they do is 00:14:03.770 --> 00:14:12.518 Robin Dean: carried by the snaring and draw of the sport bike bro mindset. 00:14:12.965 --> 00:14:16.137 Robin Dean: So the idea that you would show up with a normal sport bike, 00:14:16.137 --> 00:14:21.317 Robin Dean: as many people do to go to a track day, and get that feeling of you brought 00:14:21.317 --> 00:14:23.077 Robin Dean: that, that could put you off. 00:14:23.524 --> 00:14:27.727 Robin Dean: And so I think when they see a normal street bike, it's not atypical to go to 00:14:27.727 --> 00:14:32.156 Robin Dean: a track day on a street bike that you ride regularly to enjoy a track day. 00:14:32.493 --> 00:14:36.337 Robin Dean: But if the outfit presenting that opportunity is like, well, 00:14:36.337 --> 00:14:39.272 Robin Dean: can't you see these are all dedicated track bikes? 00:14:39.738 --> 00:14:43.447 Brian Wringer: That was the weird thing about, I was an, I rode novice because I'd never ridden 00:14:43.447 --> 00:14:45.090 Brian Wringer: this track or this organization before. 00:14:45.473 --> 00:14:46.361 Robin Dean: This was a spy shoot. 00:14:46.820 --> 00:14:50.552 Brian Wringer: I was the only sport touring bike in the whole novice group. 00:14:50.837 --> 00:14:53.967 Brian Wringer: There were a whole bunch of like race bikes with numbers. There were a whole 00:14:53.967 --> 00:14:55.475 Brian Wringer: bunch of dedicated track bikes. 00:14:55.939 --> 00:14:59.184 Brian Wringer: There were quite a few sport bikes and novice. 00:14:59.649 --> 00:15:06.107 Brian Wringer: And then me sitting a foot above everybody else on my tall rounder sport touring 00:15:06.107 --> 00:15:08.136 Brian Wringer: motorcycle. Like, hello. Wow. 00:15:08.553 --> 00:15:14.173 Robin Dean: I watched you do some amazing things though, man. You had a good day. 00:15:14.602 --> 00:15:17.789 Robin Dean: You finally got to unleash and I saw it go down. It was great. 00:15:18.242 --> 00:15:22.747 Brian Wringer: Got to uncork. Yeah, I got to pass some of those guys on those numbered bikes. 00:15:23.130 --> 00:15:25.591 Robin Dean: They got to see that happen. They got passed by you. 00:15:26.038 --> 00:15:30.810 Brian Wringer: And I do want to give a shout out. There was a guy there. It was a brand new Ducati Panigale. 00:15:31.268 --> 00:15:39.597 Brian Wringer: Beautiful, bright red, absolute pure sex in motion and his eyes were like bugged 00:15:39.597 --> 00:15:42.616 Brian Wringer: out of his helmet and he was shaking like he was, 00:15:43.092 --> 00:15:46.077 Brian Wringer: he was like man I got I got to learn how to ride better I got to learn how to 00:15:46.077 --> 00:15:50.197 Brian Wringer: ride he just kept saying like he was he was waving me around him and so you 00:15:50.197 --> 00:15:53.355 Brian Wringer: go you go up there I'm I got to learn how to ride this thing I got to, 00:15:53.854 --> 00:15:57.653 Brian Wringer: Shout out, mister. I think this guy understood it. That's why he was there. 00:15:57.653 --> 00:16:00.437 Robin Dean: But he was cool. Like he was humble. 00:16:00.890 --> 00:16:04.033 Brian Wringer: Yeah, he was humble about it. You know, obviously he doesn't want to scratch 00:16:04.033 --> 00:16:06.649 Brian Wringer: a 30,000 or whatever the hell those costs a lot. 00:16:07.107 --> 00:16:10.413 Brian Wringer: That was interesting difference in the cultures because at MotoVid, 00:16:10.413 --> 00:16:15.147 Brian Wringer: there were a lot of bikes of all, there were, you know, there's a guy on a Triumph, 00:16:15.606 --> 00:16:18.171 Brian Wringer: Speed Twin. and it's almost a cruiser. 00:16:18.636 --> 00:16:23.093 Brian Wringer: The last track day at Road America, there was a guy in a gold wing with the 00:16:23.093 --> 00:16:26.246 Brian Wringer: antennas and everything in orange and rocking it. 00:16:26.705 --> 00:16:29.143 Brian Wringer: It's a different variety, which I thought was interesting. 00:16:29.143 --> 00:16:32.503 Robin Dean: I don't know where the arms are more open. I think that something started to 00:16:32.503 --> 00:16:38.903 Robin Dean: sculpt what we witnessed in many and other previous events that they host. 00:16:38.903 --> 00:16:44.233 Robin Dean: They just eventually drew in enough of a particular kind of mentality that that's 00:16:44.233 --> 00:16:46.702 Robin Dean: what they are most used to dealing with. 00:16:47.543 --> 00:16:49.543 Robin Dean: And that's okay. They're trying to run a business. Whoever wants to show up 00:16:49.543 --> 00:16:51.804 Robin Dean: and pay the ticket, take the ride, that's cool. 00:16:52.269 --> 00:16:55.676 Robin Dean: It does inspire me. Like, I really want to have a dedicated track weapon. 00:16:56.094 --> 00:16:58.623 Robin Dean: Right now, I don't have anywhere to keep one, and I'm working on the concept 00:16:58.623 --> 00:17:02.828 Robin Dean: of that. But the idea is that, like, when you have one, whatever it is, 00:17:03.287 --> 00:17:05.763 Robin Dean: it should be treated with the same... 00:17:05.803 --> 00:17:08.825 Robin Dean: It's like a really overpriced skateboard. 00:17:09.283 --> 00:17:14.531 Robin Dean: You're going to want a machine that you can treat like you would treat a skateboard. 00:17:14.856 --> 00:17:17.603 Robin Dean: You're not looking to fire it off into the grass. Heck, you don't want to have 00:17:17.603 --> 00:17:21.468 Robin Dean: that conversation about why it happened and what you need to do to become better. 00:17:21.700 --> 00:17:25.673 Robin Dean: You want to ride well and you want to enjoy the machine, but to own the machine 00:17:25.673 --> 00:17:31.926 Robin Dean: where you can go in not with reckless indifference, but financial indifference 00:17:32.385 --> 00:17:35.143 Robin Dean: is hugely positive. I think that's a good thing. 00:17:36.983 --> 00:17:40.669 Robin Dean: Go get a $500 bike and turn it into a $1,700 bike. 00:17:41.116 --> 00:17:46.415 Robin Dean: Then you've got a weapon that you can just break if you need to survive the instance and, 00:17:47.037 --> 00:17:52.232 Robin Dean: push a lot more limits because it's not your go-to daily rider 00:17:52.685 --> 00:17:57.219 Brian Wringer: There are still consequences no matter what but uh yeah again the thought was 00:17:57.219 --> 00:18:00.239 Brian Wringer: coming to me is like man it'd be cool to have a dedicated track bike and i'm 00:18:00.239 --> 00:18:04.626 Brian Wringer: like what what am i what's going through my head here what's going on but yeah it would be cool, 00:18:05.084 --> 00:18:12.062 Brian Wringer: so the track itself a couple of specifics about this track i really enjoyed i liked how turn one, 00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:19.769 Brian Wringer: wasn't an absolute park it and turn 20 foot 90 degree hairpin or whatever like 00:18:19.769 --> 00:18:23.699 Brian Wringer: at road america turn one is probably the tightest turn on track and so you got 00:18:23.699 --> 00:18:26.598 Brian Wringer: to go from 130 plus to like, 00:18:27.062 --> 00:18:32.769 Brian Wringer: 30 you gotta haul it down like turn one is not the tightest and then it goes 00:18:32.769 --> 00:18:36.879 Brian Wringer: into reducing radius and then you gotta there's a kink and so forth so it's 00:18:36.879 --> 00:18:40.627 Brian Wringer: really interesting you don't have that holy shit all down. 00:18:40.999 --> 00:18:45.259 Robin Dean: Well we've seen things we've seen riders not understand the concept of a break 00:18:45.259 --> 00:18:48.028 Robin Dean: point nor the concept of 360 00:18:48.487 --> 00:18:52.429 Brian Wringer: Awareness it was a little weird like i was at least in my group i going into 00:18:52.429 --> 00:18:56.829 Brian Wringer: turn one i think there may be may have been one or two laps where i was kind 00:18:56.829 --> 00:19:00.602 Brian Wringer: of all you know not all out i wasn't i wasn't all out all day but i was, 00:19:01.066 --> 00:19:05.509 Brian Wringer: at an elevated pace pretty much most of the time i was kind of in traffic and 00:19:05.509 --> 00:19:09.414 Brian Wringer: staying the hell away from all these people doing unpredictable things yes, 00:19:09.867 --> 00:19:13.839 Brian Wringer: i remember seeing like 85 on home on the front straight once because i forgot 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:18.669 Brian Wringer: to cover i remember because i was like no this i'm not gonna go past this guy 00:19:18.669 --> 00:19:22.957 Brian Wringer: because he's all over the place doing all kinds of weird stuff unpredictable. 00:19:23.404 --> 00:19:30.609 Robin Dean: Consistency and predictability are two enormous ingredients that will by themselves 00:19:30.609 --> 00:19:34.815 Robin Dean: on a slower bike get you all the way up to the most advanced groups because 00:19:34.984 --> 00:19:37.631 Robin Dean: you have smoothness and consistency of form. 00:19:38.611 --> 00:19:42.901 Robin Dean: Found it impossible, not only because I was on stock suspension, 00:19:43.261 --> 00:19:49.743 Robin Dean: stock forks, stock tune, handlebars, seat position, all of it was just bone 00:19:49.743 --> 00:19:53.048 Robin Dean: stock 2018 Suzuki SV650. 00:19:53.506 --> 00:19:57.273 Robin Dean: It did not change the fact that even when I did have the opportunities to pass, 00:19:57.273 --> 00:20:03.067 Robin Dean: and I did, I could not work up the gumption in intermediate to do it. 00:20:03.543 --> 00:20:07.213 Robin Dean: They were fairly predictable. They really were. They were doing a really good 00:20:07.213 --> 00:20:09.116 Robin Dean: job. They had a really good feel. 00:20:09.575 --> 00:20:12.643 Robin Dean: And I still was just like, that's the difference between me and whatever comes 00:20:12.643 --> 00:20:20.494 Robin Dean: next is, do I have the stamina and the confidence to say, I can see their rhythm. I can see their line. 00:20:20.894 --> 00:20:23.933 Robin Dean: And I'm going to take this at this point to get around them. 00:20:23.933 --> 00:20:28.120 Robin Dean: That is next level shit. And I don't have it yet. I will one day. I'm excited to say. 00:20:28.579 --> 00:20:32.753 Robin Dean: To bring that back to down to novice is just chaos. What you were going through 00:20:32.753 --> 00:20:36.553 Robin Dean: is just like, oh, what is going on? This really is a track. Holy crap. 00:20:36.553 --> 00:20:41.094 Robin Dean: I really, I'm really doing this and you've already done it, but you're watching them experience that. 00:20:41.553 --> 00:20:46.713 Brian Wringer: Yeah. A lot of people were really all over the place. Yeah. You really wanted 00:20:46.713 --> 00:20:48.773 Brian Wringer: to give each other a lot of room. 00:20:49.353 --> 00:20:53.173 Brian Wringer: So, which I did. It was like one of the things, 00:20:53.673 --> 00:20:58.123 Brian Wringer: I learned and figured out, you know, and again, this is, this is basic track 00:20:58.123 --> 00:21:01.580 Brian Wringer: one-on-one I know, but one of the things that was really fun is, 00:21:02.045 --> 00:21:04.158 Brian Wringer: and they talked about in the classroom was, 00:21:04.628 --> 00:21:07.751 Brian Wringer: planning your paths ahead of time, two or three TURFs ahead of time, 00:21:08.210 --> 00:21:11.803 Brian Wringer: a couple of times, you know, I was able to actually make it work where, 00:21:12.332 --> 00:21:17.296 Brian Wringer: You basically give going into the last turn before the front straight or whatever, 00:21:17.296 --> 00:21:18.578 Brian Wringer: wherever you plan to pass. 00:21:19.043 --> 00:21:22.216 Brian Wringer: You know, you don't sit there six feet from the rear wheel or, 00:21:22.216 --> 00:21:23.518 Brian Wringer: you know, three feet if you're whatever. 00:21:23.983 --> 00:21:28.646 Brian Wringer: You don't sit there right next to them. You give them time and then you out 00:21:28.646 --> 00:21:31.776 Brian Wringer: corner them big time. And so you got 20 miles an hour on them going into the 00:21:31.776 --> 00:21:33.775 Brian Wringer: front straight. Some of these people just freaking park it. 00:21:34.636 --> 00:21:40.114 Brian Wringer: And they're offline. So you're on the correct line and you've got a significant speed advantage. 00:21:40.578 --> 00:21:44.131 Brian Wringer: And you get into the throttle even, you know, much sooner than they do. 00:21:44.589 --> 00:21:48.575 Brian Wringer: That's a lot of fun. And there were times I managed to pull that off and then 00:21:48.575 --> 00:21:54.265 Brian Wringer: I had the speed and then they're like going back and forth on the front straight. 00:21:54.265 --> 00:21:58.545 Brian Wringer: Like, you know, there's nothing to win here. I'll just let you do whatever weird shit you're doing. 00:21:59.676 --> 00:22:01.824 Brian Wringer: And we'll live through turn one. 00:22:02.213 --> 00:22:06.585 Robin Dean: Like in session one, we did this 15 or 20 times. I'm not sure what you're trying 00:22:06.585 --> 00:22:10.159 Robin Dean: to adjust for or prepare for, but you know, we're going to make a right turn at the end of this. 00:22:10.619 --> 00:22:13.597 Brian Wringer: Yeah, it's kind of like, damn, dude, there was a variety there. 00:22:14.055 --> 00:22:16.745 Brian Wringer: And I do want to give a shout out to the control writer, Quinn, 00:22:16.745 --> 00:22:21.315 Brian Wringer: who was, they divvied up into groups and there was, I missed something there. 00:22:21.315 --> 00:22:26.081 Brian Wringer: There's, there's some order to what group you're in, but I don't know what it is. 00:22:26.348 --> 00:22:30.905 Robin Dean: Well, there was a lot of verbal backtracking on certain things while the presentation 00:22:31.225 --> 00:22:35.201 Robin Dean: was going on. Now, remember, they had a day before of constant heat. 00:22:35.653 --> 00:22:38.829 Robin Dean: It was not cool out by any means. 00:22:39.125 --> 00:22:42.445 Robin Dean: And then they wake up the next morning to repeat that, there were going to be 00:22:42.445 --> 00:22:46.207 Robin Dean: some stutter steps, you know, just heat-induced hallucinations. 00:22:46.607 --> 00:22:50.075 Robin Dean: For example, my first entrance on the track, like first off, 00:22:50.075 --> 00:22:52.865 Robin Dean: a cold track, they're like, intermediate, go get to work. 00:22:53.318 --> 00:22:55.257 Brian Wringer: Go get the dew off this track for us, all right? 00:22:55.646 --> 00:23:01.375 Robin Dean: Here's one pro tip. When you're going to describe a track, describe it in parallel 00:23:01.375 --> 00:23:04.015 Robin Dean: to the actual track location that you're at. 00:23:04.015 --> 00:23:09.835 Robin Dean: Don't create a new orientation for the people that are there to try to figure 00:23:09.835 --> 00:23:13.615 Robin Dean: out what you mean when you could just stand next to the concept of the track 00:23:13.615 --> 00:23:17.339 Robin Dean: and be like pointed out right there for them in relation to where they are. 00:23:17.808 --> 00:23:22.614 Robin Dean: For example, when I went out to line up, there's this pole divider 00:23:23.072 --> 00:23:29.168 Robin Dean: down the entrance to the track, and I ended up on the left side of it because 00:23:29.168 --> 00:23:32.981 Robin Dean: I just didn't understand what was going on, where I was supposed to be, what was happening. 00:23:33.393 --> 00:23:37.078 Robin Dean: And when I got to the end of the left side of it, the lady who is kind enough 00:23:37.078 --> 00:23:39.878 Robin Dean: to be standing in the sun all day telling people when they get into the track 00:23:39.878 --> 00:23:44.800 Robin Dean: looks over at me and is shouting at me in an angry way about where I'm supposed to be. 00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:49.810 Robin Dean: But that wasn't made clear. You will see a metallic pole divider. 00:23:50.118 --> 00:23:54.938 Robin Dean: You want to be on the far side of that from where I am standing on the right-hand 00:23:54.938 --> 00:23:58.221 Robin Dean: side from your spectrum when you enter. So make sure you get that correct. 00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:01.918 Robin Dean: I was the first one out and now I'm immediately being shouted. 00:24:01.918 --> 00:24:03.521 Robin Dean: I'm like, hi there. I gave you money. 00:24:03.974 --> 00:24:07.248 Robin Dean: Shut your pie hole. I'll be over there in a second. And I turned around and 00:24:07.248 --> 00:24:09.001 Robin Dean: went back and got in line. 00:24:09.454 --> 00:24:13.320 Robin Dean: The point is clarity of communication and descriptions. It's important. 00:24:13.570 --> 00:24:18.718 Robin Dean: Now, mind you, don't let any of my negatives change the fact that they did a 00:24:18.718 --> 00:24:22.444 Robin Dean: great job and I had a great time. I had an excellent time at this track. 00:24:22.903 --> 00:24:26.479 Robin Dean: But Brian, you also went through something similar in terms of communication. 00:24:26.937 --> 00:24:30.648 Brian Wringer: Yeah, and I will say, you know, these are complex events. There's a lot going 00:24:30.648 --> 00:24:34.060 Brian Wringer: on. There's a lot to think about. People's eyes are all over the place. 00:24:34.525 --> 00:24:38.678 Brian Wringer: So I get it. And again, MotoVid, there's a lot of stuff that's not spoken that 00:24:38.678 --> 00:24:41.009 Brian Wringer: should have been spoken or maybe it was and I didn't hear it. 00:24:41.467 --> 00:24:44.875 Brian Wringer: There's a lot of unwritten stuff that really should be fricking written. 00:24:45.322 --> 00:24:49.428 Brian Wringer: And that's the one thing every organization needs to write down the unwritten 00:24:49.428 --> 00:24:50.517 Brian Wringer: rules. And they never do. 00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:53.513 Robin Dean: Sit down, get organized, prep your words. 00:24:53.971 --> 00:25:00.363 Brian Wringer: Yeah. So there we were just before lunch. So novice was, novice basically ran last. 00:25:00.734 --> 00:25:03.526 Brian Wringer: So intermediate ran, then advanced and novice. 00:25:03.991 --> 00:25:07.638 Brian Wringer: Intermediate ran first just to knock the dew off the track and make sure it 00:25:07.638 --> 00:25:09.035 Brian Wringer: was, you know, all nice and slippery. 00:25:09.501 --> 00:25:16.570 Brian Wringer: So right before lunch, we go out and somebody visits the landscaping for some reason. 00:25:17.090 --> 00:25:20.950 Brian Wringer: I never have any idea why. But anyway, yeah, somebody visits the landscaping 00:25:20.950 --> 00:25:24.790 Brian Wringer: and it's a red flag. So we come back in, they scoop him up, they scoop up his 00:25:24.790 --> 00:25:30.885 Brian Wringer: bike, and he comes back in and we go out again to finish our session just before lunch. 00:25:31.344 --> 00:25:36.590 Brian Wringer: This is all my fault. I own that. I get it and so forth. But the entire scientific 00:25:36.590 --> 00:25:40.893 Brian Wringer: method, I will swear that I did not see any checkered flag. 00:25:41.346 --> 00:25:43.930 Brian Wringer: So anyway, we went around and we went around and we were around. 00:25:43.930 --> 00:25:46.663 Brian Wringer: We rode motorcycles fast and we went in circles and it was awesome. 00:25:47.122 --> 00:25:51.810 Brian Wringer: And then the control rider ahead of me and the customer ahead of me, 00:25:51.810 --> 00:25:55.900 Brian Wringer: I guess the rider ahead of me, left the track, but I didn't see anybody else 00:25:55.900 --> 00:25:59.144 Brian Wringer: leave the track and I didn't know why. So I just kept going. 00:25:59.596 --> 00:26:05.378 Brian Wringer: And then when I went past on the front straight the checkered flag was was waved 00:26:05.674 --> 00:26:09.430 Brian Wringer: angrily like it was sort of waved like it wasn't pointed at me like a black 00:26:09.430 --> 00:26:12.425 Brian Wringer: flag but it was like waved with verve, 00:26:12.884 --> 00:26:15.171 Brian Wringer: and then I noticed I was very alone. 00:26:15.542 --> 00:26:19.808 Robin Dean: You had a clean slate open canvas of a racetrack all to yourself 00:26:20.132 --> 00:26:23.460 Brian Wringer: I had an open canvas I really didn't take advantage of it either because I was 00:26:23.460 --> 00:26:26.756 Brian Wringer: looking around like I just screwed up I'm not sure what I did, 00:26:27.198 --> 00:26:31.590 Brian Wringer: I'm not sure what's going on here I really screwed up somehow and I kept looking 00:26:31.590 --> 00:26:36.788 Brian Wringer: there were no flags no flags no flags no flags no flags and I exited the track, 00:26:37.246 --> 00:26:41.530 Brian Wringer: I was the only one there it was a very slow lap because I was like look what's 00:26:41.530 --> 00:26:46.220 Brian Wringer: going on here and then I exited the track and there was a young man in a car 00:26:46.220 --> 00:26:50.052 Brian Wringer: with a red light on it and he waved me over to have a chat, 00:26:50.511 --> 00:26:56.100 Brian Wringer: and so we observed the ritual you know basically told me yeah you you did an extra lap whatever, 00:26:56.564 --> 00:26:59.513 Brian Wringer: You should have exited the track. There were checkered flags. 00:26:59.978 --> 00:27:02.845 Brian Wringer: And again, I'm not clear on this, but from what I understand, 00:27:03.304 --> 00:27:06.503 Brian Wringer: they fly on, you know, when it's time to exit the track, they will fly the checkered 00:27:06.503 --> 00:27:11.273 Brian Wringer: flag at, I think, three locations. They don't do it at every station for some 00:27:11.273 --> 00:27:13.538 Brian Wringer: damn reason. I have not figured that out. 00:27:13.989 --> 00:27:16.444 Brian Wringer: And to this day, I do not know which stations. 00:27:16.833 --> 00:27:18.348 Robin Dean: Checkered flags cost money, Brian. 00:27:18.801 --> 00:27:21.622 Brian Wringer: And apparently having somebody wave the flag costs money or something. 00:27:22.069 --> 00:27:24.113 Brian Wringer: Like I said, I did not see a checkered flag. 00:27:24.565 --> 00:27:27.053 Brian Wringer: I knew we were getting close and I would swear I was looking for him, 00:27:27.053 --> 00:27:27.938 Brian Wringer: but I didn't see anything. 00:27:28.403 --> 00:27:31.663 Brian Wringer: So yeah, I came around and waved it angry at me and I came in and so forth. 00:27:31.663 --> 00:27:34.974 Brian Wringer: So this guy, and we just run around in circles. Yes, I know what I did. 00:27:35.432 --> 00:27:38.743 Brian Wringer: I'll pay more attention in the future. And then the guy would just start over. 00:27:38.743 --> 00:27:42.483 Brian Wringer: And it's like, so you've got a contract where you have to give a three minute 00:27:42.483 --> 00:27:49.811 Brian Wringer: lecture to any grown adult who screws up and knows what he did and won't do it again, sir. 00:27:50.496 --> 00:27:53.207 Brian Wringer: It just went on in circles. It's like, come on, dude. 00:27:53.590 --> 00:27:54.856 Robin Dean: That must be unique to them. 00:27:55.309 --> 00:27:58.095 Brian Wringer: I'll fix it up. Can I go eat lunch? Yeah. 00:27:58.408 --> 00:27:58.635 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:27:59.093 --> 00:28:02.833 Brian Wringer: Again, my screw up, my bad. Everybody else saw the flags. Everybody else at 00:28:02.833 --> 00:28:06.588 Brian Wringer: least had the brains to follow the control riders off the track. 00:28:06.768 --> 00:28:11.307 Robin Dean: So point counterpoint, you might, that flag may have gone up literally right behind you. 00:28:11.747 --> 00:28:12.049 Brian Wringer: Right. 00:28:13.033 --> 00:28:20.873 Robin Dean: We'd have to see video footage. I had an incident at Black Hawk Farms where I went into the hot pit. 00:28:21.325 --> 00:28:25.830 Robin Dean: Now, the hot pit and the regular pit out lane are divided by a solid line. 00:28:26.283 --> 00:28:32.313 Robin Dean: And the first instructions about riding on a track, cornering and paranoia of 00:28:32.313 --> 00:28:37.823 Robin Dean: people being around you, do not worry about the people behind you is important. 00:28:37.962 --> 00:28:39.756 Robin Dean: Take your corner. It's yours. 00:28:40.221 --> 00:28:40.917 Brian Wringer: Don't look back. 00:28:41.295 --> 00:28:47.442 Robin Dean: Right. Yeah. Do not look over your shoulder. So I take the hot pit lane because I 00:28:47.913 --> 00:28:52.488 Robin Dean: people get further ahead, basically open up the track for my use. 00:28:52.946 --> 00:28:54.786 Robin Dean: And that's a solid divided line. 00:28:55.245 --> 00:29:01.781 Robin Dean: And while I'm in the hot pit, I look up into the main bridge and I see a checkered flag. 00:29:02.234 --> 00:29:06.483 Robin Dean: And I am not going to look over my shoulder and I'm not going to cross a solid 00:29:06.483 --> 00:29:08.904 Robin Dean: line when I don't know who's there. 00:29:09.357 --> 00:29:13.483 Robin Dean: I'm going to reenter the track and take one more victory lap before I exit. And I did. 00:29:13.930 --> 00:29:19.403 Robin Dean: The person who was in charge of this on the bridge, I've experienced interactions 00:29:19.403 --> 00:29:23.636 Robin Dean: with this person before, they went into scold mode. 00:29:24.100 --> 00:29:30.863 Robin Dean: So I ride my lap and I rode that lap blast fast and past people who were preparing 00:29:30.863 --> 00:29:37.376 Robin Dean: to exit and exited before them was stopped by the person in the actual pit out lane. 00:29:37.846 --> 00:29:41.126 Robin Dean: And he leaned in and said, so did you see the checkered flag? 00:29:41.527 --> 00:29:42.827 Robin Dean: And I told him what I just said. 00:29:43.286 --> 00:29:45.823 Robin Dean: I was in the hot pit lane. It's a solid line. I'm not going to look over my 00:29:45.823 --> 00:29:49.770 Robin Dean: shoulder. What was I supposed to do? His response? Good call. Go ahead. 00:29:50.223 --> 00:29:54.019 Robin Dean: That simple. It was the right move. And I wasn't the last person off the track. 00:29:54.478 --> 00:29:59.843 Robin Dean: I imagine your situation, you come around where the final opportunity for a 00:29:59.843 --> 00:30:00.962 Robin Dean: checkered flag appears. 00:30:01.432 --> 00:30:05.853 Robin Dean: They plop it down behind you. What do you expect is going to happen? 00:30:05.853 --> 00:30:09.784 Robin Dean: You got the track to yourself because the rhythm was off these things do happen 00:30:10.249 --> 00:30:14.773 Brian Wringer: I'm looking at this picture i saw hands go up and there are no there are three 00:30:14.773 --> 00:30:19.713 Brian Wringer: flag stations and i looked at maybe four i mean there was no white flag there's 00:30:19.723 --> 00:30:21.052 Brian Wringer: no checkered flag there's no nothing, 00:30:21.510 --> 00:30:26.033 Brian Wringer: at the last three at least the last three and maybe four so i thought they were 00:30:26.033 --> 00:30:28.633 Brian Wringer: exiting because of a mechanical problem or something they were, 00:30:29.092 --> 00:30:33.073 Brian Wringer: my bad you know everybody else saw it i was i was the only guy so obviously 00:30:33.073 --> 00:30:34.683 Brian Wringer: i'm wrong so whatever i'm, 00:30:35.761 --> 00:30:39.679 Brian Wringer: The other part of this is that I would have thought, or at least that's what 00:30:39.679 --> 00:30:43.139 Brian Wringer: I've heard at other tracks, is that when the checker goes out, 00:30:43.139 --> 00:30:44.811 Brian Wringer: it goes out at all the stations. 00:30:45.182 --> 00:30:46.082 Robin Dean: That would be better. 00:30:46.540 --> 00:30:49.879 Brian Wringer: That would be better. I don't know if that's what they do, but if they only 00:30:49.879 --> 00:30:54.429 Brian Wringer: put it out at certain spots and then the last three stations don't have it at 00:30:54.429 --> 00:30:55.788 Brian Wringer: all, what the hell are you supposed to? 00:30:56.246 --> 00:30:58.534 Brian Wringer: You only have one chance to see it? You know, I don't get that. 00:30:58.917 --> 00:31:02.299 Robin Dean: Their argument against this is going to be something that sounds like, 00:31:02.299 --> 00:31:07.094 Robin Dean: look, we volunteered here to do this instead of, look, you paid to be here. 00:31:07.541 --> 00:31:12.289 Robin Dean: And that is one of the ranking mechanisms that caused me to say like, 00:31:12.289 --> 00:31:14.600 Robin Dean: oh, okay, that's who's doing it. 00:31:15.065 --> 00:31:18.211 Robin Dean: But in the end, here we are saying what we're saying. 00:31:18.659 --> 00:31:23.894 Robin Dean: Let's lift this up. We need to create a sine wave of the ups and downs that came with this event. 00:31:24.336 --> 00:31:27.344 Robin Dean: And all in all, we got to do it. You didn't get kicked out, you know what I mean? 00:31:27.344 --> 00:31:32.534 Brian Wringer: So that's good. Yeah, no, it was all good. The only thing I regret is that I 00:31:32.534 --> 00:31:35.597 Brian Wringer: didn't haul all the ass on that lap. 00:31:36.056 --> 00:31:39.944 Brian Wringer: I had an extra lap, but I spent it wondering what the hell was going on and 00:31:39.944 --> 00:31:41.820 Brian Wringer: not just doing a perfect lap. 00:31:42.203 --> 00:31:46.544 Robin Dean: Let's talk about that for a second here. when I did finally get in line I looked 00:31:46.544 --> 00:31:48.537 Robin Dean: to a control rider and said hi 00:31:48.989 --> 00:31:54.940 Robin Dean: I do not know this track would you please lead me around I will follow you directly 00:31:55.265 --> 00:32:00.094 Robin Dean: could we go the pace of maybe a quick to fast novice 00:32:00.553 --> 00:32:05.103 Robin Dean: and let's paint the line for me and we did now I think it took me all of five 00:32:05.556 --> 00:32:09.584 Robin Dean: laps to realize what the line really was got the hang of it was getting the 00:32:09.584 --> 00:32:11.464 Robin Dean: thumbs up by the third run. 00:32:11.464 --> 00:32:13.979 Robin Dean: The third lap was when I was getting the, yeah, okay, there you go. 00:32:14.437 --> 00:32:19.144 Robin Dean: But the bike is what it is. Yeah, it was, it was all right. But let's talk about this track. 00:32:19.144 --> 00:32:24.154 Robin Dean: Now, if anybody's listening, go find yourself the Putnam Park Road Course Facebook page. 00:32:24.154 --> 00:32:27.278 Robin Dean: And right there in there, whatever the main pick is, the big pick, 00:32:27.736 --> 00:32:32.904 Robin Dean: you'll see a giant, beautiful drone or helicopter shot. I don't know where this 00:32:32.904 --> 00:32:35.794 Robin Dean: was taken, of their circuit. 00:32:36.229 --> 00:32:39.514 Robin Dean: Let's ignore the first couple of laps because it was very chill. 00:32:39.514 --> 00:32:42.916 Robin Dean: It was like, okay, here, here, here, here, here, here, 10 different court. 00:32:43.369 --> 00:32:46.524 Robin Dean: By the third lap, I was trying to get a rhythm for the braking. 00:32:46.524 --> 00:32:48.565 Robin Dean: Now, when you enter the course, you're going uphill. 00:32:49.012 --> 00:32:52.982 Robin Dean: And then you drop into turn one, which is an increasing radius curve, 00:32:53.435 --> 00:32:56.314 Brian Wringer: But it's a little downhill and you can't quite see it. 00:32:56.703 --> 00:32:57.284 Robin Dean: Yeah. 00:32:57.684 --> 00:32:59.629 Brian Wringer: That's so cool. Yeah. 00:33:00.030 --> 00:33:05.021 Robin Dean: The first turn is over a plank and down in to an increasing radius. 00:33:05.485 --> 00:33:10.974 Robin Dean: After that, a kink and then a standard S-curve, which is also an increasing 00:33:10.974 --> 00:33:15.951 Robin Dean: radius when you come out. So turn one to turn two is the trick I want to talk about first. 00:33:16.421 --> 00:33:22.464 Brian Wringer: Yeah. Turn two is a smaller radius. So you have to be aware of what you're scrubbing 00:33:22.464 --> 00:33:28.327 Brian Wringer: off and when one to get to arrive at two with just enough and not too much and not too little. 00:33:28.669 --> 00:33:31.839 Robin Dean: Any track design, it's intended to mess with you. 00:33:32.303 --> 00:33:37.974 Robin Dean: The trick I'm noticing is that one, no, you cannot just gun it into an increasing 00:33:37.974 --> 00:33:44.261 Robin Dean: radius turn one because turn two is going to be a total upset for you on the brakes if you do. 00:33:44.726 --> 00:33:48.204 Robin Dean: The second flip side of that that I never got right on that day, 00:33:48.204 --> 00:33:51.785 Robin Dean: and I'm going to work out next time we're there, and there will be a next time for sure, 00:33:52.249 --> 00:33:57.644 Robin Dean: is that you also can't run and gun into turn one and then just roll off the 00:33:57.644 --> 00:34:00.312 Robin Dean: throttle and assume that the coast down is the trick. 00:34:00.777 --> 00:34:05.244 Robin Dean: There's a very particular amount of consistent throttle that you need to maintain 00:34:05.244 --> 00:34:12.002 Robin Dean: on a decel level, like you're decelerating, but you're doing it only as much as is necessary. 00:34:12.374 --> 00:34:14.632 Robin Dean: I've never seen that before in all the tracks I've written. 00:34:15.085 --> 00:34:24.407 Robin Dean: Not once. The need for a perfected amount of deceleration without total roll-off to lead into turn two. 00:34:24.669 --> 00:34:27.687 Robin Dean: That's turn two, which is an uphill, by the way. 00:34:28.140 --> 00:34:30.340 Brian Wringer: Yeah, that was wild. Really fun. 00:34:30.735 --> 00:34:34.032 Robin Dean: Turn three is, okay, run wide. 00:34:34.479 --> 00:34:41.724 Robin Dean: If you can, scoop the candy canes with your tires for a split second and then jab into turn three. 00:34:42.176 --> 00:34:46.553 Robin Dean: Where followed by turn four, which is an uphill left-hander, 00:34:47.018 --> 00:34:51.824 Robin Dean: that is also an increasing radius that is just, it's just a haymaker on the throttle. 00:34:52.120 --> 00:34:54.036 Robin Dean: Just a can of whoop-ass go-fast juice. 00:34:54.500 --> 00:35:00.954 Robin Dean: That is the moment where I realized this is the first track day where from start 00:35:00.954 --> 00:35:03.786 Robin Dean: to finish, I melted my pucks down. 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.754 Robin Dean: And I've never done that. It's always been almost, almost, kind of, 00:35:06.754 --> 00:35:09.800 Robin Dean: sort of, almost, and I'm on a bike that really doesn't lend itself well to that, 00:35:10.259 --> 00:35:12.343 Robin Dean: but it just felt so good. And you know, 00:35:12.821 --> 00:35:17.860 Robin Dean: I'm posing and I'm getting passed, but it was totally substantiated. 00:35:18.312 --> 00:35:23.184 Robin Dean: That brings us to turn five, which is where my whole dance card was just, 00:35:23.184 --> 00:35:24.947 Robin Dean: no, don't, don't bother passing. 00:35:25.191 --> 00:35:30.137 Robin Dean: You could, it's probably the guy you want to pass, but this is all beyond both of our pay grades. 00:35:30.509 --> 00:35:32.941 Robin Dean: So it's like, you don't know where to pass this guy. 00:35:33.405 --> 00:35:35.764 Robin Dean: And then he'll probably catch up to me and pass me on the main straight anyhow, 00:35:35.764 --> 00:35:38.020 Robin Dean: because I think that's kind of what it's all about in some points. 00:35:38.479 --> 00:35:42.490 Brian Wringer: Four to five, you could do a lot of passing there if you, if you really wanted to push it. 00:35:42.954 --> 00:35:46.494 Brian Wringer: I, you know, I didn't. And again, five and six are one corner. 00:35:46.494 --> 00:35:50.284 Brian Wringer: You know, that's one of your favorite sayings is like two, three, 00:35:50.284 --> 00:35:53.284 Brian Wringer: and four, all one corner. You know, and this is again, one of your favorite 00:35:53.284 --> 00:35:56.424 Brian Wringer: sayings, but like five and six are one corner. You know, you kind of arc through 00:35:56.424 --> 00:36:00.803 Brian Wringer: them and then seven gets a little tighter, which is really fun. 00:36:01.342 --> 00:36:04.066 Brian Wringer: I'm looking at the official track map. If you click the link, 00:36:04.066 --> 00:36:05.301 Brian Wringer: you'll see they're numbered. 00:36:05.551 --> 00:36:08.634 Robin Dean: I cannot see that map. I think it's my VPN. But the point is I'm looking at 00:36:09.086 --> 00:36:11.524 Robin Dean: the actual photo. So it makes me work harder. 00:36:11.977 --> 00:36:14.647 Brian Wringer: One of the things you're getting is when you're going into six, 00:36:15.112 --> 00:36:19.636 Brian Wringer: you go into four, you go into five, there's a tree there. You can't really see 00:36:19.636 --> 00:36:22.879 Brian Wringer: six and seven very well. So you have to know what's there. 00:36:23.262 --> 00:36:25.625 Robin Dean: And it's over a hill. So you're in the blind. 00:36:26.077 --> 00:36:27.436 Brian Wringer: Yeah, there's a little bit over the hill. 00:36:27.854 --> 00:36:29.375 Robin Dean: The whole track is in the blind. 00:36:29.828 --> 00:36:34.546 Brian Wringer: Hiding the apex just under the hill is the trick this track has it's really 00:36:34.546 --> 00:36:37.763 Brian Wringer: fun so fun it's so fun what the i can't, 00:36:38.233 --> 00:36:42.986 Brian Wringer: use the force luke like they've got just one tree there you can't see seven 00:36:42.986 --> 00:36:47.080 Brian Wringer: and it's really fun and again it's it's just a slight downhill. 00:36:47.451 --> 00:36:51.946 Robin Dean: Well looking at it from above if we were to like have like slot cars going it 00:36:51.946 --> 00:36:54.684 Robin Dean: tells me to blaze one two three 00:36:55.027 --> 00:37:01.016 Robin Dean: blaze four with full hatred it all up into five and then keep gunning it over 00:37:01.016 --> 00:37:05.656 Robin Dean: the line until you clip six and that's where you roll off and you keep rolling 00:37:05.656 --> 00:37:08.151 Robin Dean: off until you exit all the way through seven 00:37:08.615 --> 00:37:11.245 Robin Dean: i think i might have done that almost once 00:37:11.692 --> 00:37:14.736 Brian Wringer: Yeah you never get it right which is you know that's that's the whole point 00:37:14.736 --> 00:37:17.996 Brian Wringer: you never get it right and then you know the one they keep talking about they 00:37:17.996 --> 00:37:23.041 Brian Wringer: call it dead bear turn which is turn which is eight and it's it's basically almost, 00:37:23.511 --> 00:37:29.756 Brian Wringer: i think it is a 180 it's close to it perfect symmetry perfect 180 and that's 00:37:29.756 --> 00:37:33.072 Brian Wringer: the thing it really kind of separates the the men from the boys there. 00:37:33.495 --> 00:37:34.331 Robin Dean: It does go uphill 00:37:34.778 --> 00:37:36.131 Brian Wringer: Yeah and it's a little bit uphill. 00:37:36.270 --> 00:37:39.231 Robin Dean: Wait wait wait it goes downhill then uphill so that's the trip 00:37:39.689 --> 00:37:44.746 Brian Wringer: Yeah it goes downhill and again there's some trees so if you're going into turn 00:37:44.746 --> 00:37:48.206 Brian Wringer: four you're on the other side you can't see the other side i don't know if there's 00:37:48.206 --> 00:37:50.939 Brian Wringer: really anything you need to see over there to plan ahead but whatever. 00:37:51.323 --> 00:37:53.935 Robin Dean: I came around that corner when somebody had just biffed it and they saw me, 00:37:54.224 --> 00:37:57.916 Robin Dean: their eyes got huge and they turned around and they were running into the field, 00:37:57.916 --> 00:38:00.400 Robin Dean: like sprinting. Dude, don't worry. It's. 00:38:00.871 --> 00:38:02.293 Robin Dean: It's just an SV650. 00:38:02.746 --> 00:38:07.035 Brian Wringer: You can't hear a thing. Yeah, that's kind of their big carousel turn, and it's a lot of fun. 00:38:07.494 --> 00:38:11.338 Brian Wringer: The tricky part about that for me was you can hit that a lot harder, 00:38:11.338 --> 00:38:13.734 Brian Wringer: and you can use a lot more throttle than you think you can. 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.008 Brian Wringer: You kind of have to work up to it. You need experience, and you need to work 00:38:17.008 --> 00:38:20.718 Brian Wringer: up to that. And then we go into the final combination is 9-10. 00:38:21.171 --> 00:38:24.892 Brian Wringer: 9's a nice big sweeping radius, but 10's a little bit tighter radius. 00:38:25.141 --> 00:38:26.517 Robin Dean: It's slightly downhill on 9. 00:38:26.981 --> 00:38:30.250 Brian Wringer: Slightly downhill, and in 10, you're onto the front straight. 00:38:30.697 --> 00:38:35.738 Brian Wringer: Because 9 is larger radius and it decreases radius into 10, the line is kind 00:38:35.738 --> 00:38:38.516 Brian Wringer: of complex, plus you have a lot to look at. 00:38:38.922 --> 00:38:42.341 Brian Wringer: That's where you exit the track, kind of at the end of 9. 00:38:42.759 --> 00:38:48.471 Robin Dean: Turn 10 is not a decreasing radius. Again, this is the mind fuck. 00:38:48.924 --> 00:38:52.539 Brian Wringer: It's a smaller radius than 9, but it's not a decreasing, no. 00:38:52.888 --> 00:38:57.078 Robin Dean: But what happens is, because 9 is an increasing radius downhill, 00:38:57.078 --> 00:39:01.613 Robin Dean: hill, you get the running gun effect where you're basically going to go wide 00:39:02.002 --> 00:39:04.550 Robin Dean: and then you need to deal with a normal curve. 00:39:05.003 --> 00:39:08.648 Robin Dean: That took work to get the hang of. But once I had it, that's the curve that 00:39:08.648 --> 00:39:14.918 Robin Dean: I most feel I got that one because I always ended up barely three inches from 00:39:14.918 --> 00:39:17.745 Robin Dean: the candy canes on the main straight. I liked that. 00:39:18.203 --> 00:39:23.259 Brian Wringer: So it looked more intimidating. So a lot of people slowed way down on 10 more than they should have. 00:39:23.602 --> 00:39:26.798 Robin Dean: Nine does it to them. There's nothing complicated about 10 except for the nine 00:39:26.798 --> 00:39:31.572 Robin Dean: gets easier and easier and faster and faster. And then there's this dwarfed straight. 00:39:32.031 --> 00:39:35.276 Robin Dean: The straight is the kink. You think of a kink as being an elbow, 00:39:35.514 --> 00:39:38.376 Robin Dean: but what if you make the straight the kink? 00:39:38.834 --> 00:39:40.930 Robin Dean: And then you got to deal with the aftermath of that. 00:39:41.388 --> 00:39:45.876 Brian Wringer: So if you look at the aerial shot of the track, the trick there is to be going fast enough to just, 00:39:46.368 --> 00:39:51.561 Brian Wringer: kiss the candy canes on the left side, on the outside, just after the exit, 00:39:52.026 --> 00:39:54.313 Brian Wringer: and then kiss the candy canes on the inside. 00:39:54.772 --> 00:39:58.336 Brian Wringer: There's like a little tiny bit of candy cane right after the exit to the track. 00:39:58.806 --> 00:40:02.068 Brian Wringer: So the trick there, most people are way too far to the right. 00:40:02.533 --> 00:40:05.714 Brian Wringer: You want to get way to the left, kiss those, and keep on it. 00:40:06.173 --> 00:40:10.845 Brian Wringer: Kiss those candy canes, clip the inside, and again, you know, 00:40:10.845 --> 00:40:14.793 Brian Wringer: your knees over the candy canes, and then it opens up onto the front straight, 00:40:15.252 --> 00:40:21.196 Brian Wringer: you know, at least in novice what i found was nobody nobody really figured that out like you could, 00:40:21.660 --> 00:40:26.815 Brian Wringer: like they slowed way down before they went into 10 they came out of nine and went whoa. 00:40:27.595 --> 00:40:32.635 Brian Wringer: And then and then nobody was going very fast in 10 and really i'm glad i rode 00:40:32.635 --> 00:40:34.335 Brian Wringer: i rode novice i wanted to see, 00:40:34.975 --> 00:40:39.455 Brian Wringer: how they taught things what they had to say so absolutely it was the right play 00:40:39.455 --> 00:40:43.095 Brian Wringer: it was the right move and so forth even when i was kind of jammed up behind 00:40:43.095 --> 00:40:47.315 Brian Wringer: some slow skis you know there's still a lot to learn You can always work on 00:40:47.315 --> 00:40:49.140 Brian Wringer: form. You can always work on line. 00:40:49.593 --> 00:40:53.952 Brian Wringer: You can always work on, okay, there's a control rider towing this guy around. 00:40:54.417 --> 00:40:57.418 Brian Wringer: I can watch the control rider and see what he's doing and that kind of thing. 00:40:57.871 --> 00:41:02.451 Brian Wringer: The control rider for my group was Quinn, by the way. Great guy, really did a great job. 00:41:02.903 --> 00:41:08.203 Brian Wringer: He did some stuff too to kind of, like he was kind of pacing the slow guys and 00:41:08.203 --> 00:41:10.523 Brian Wringer: kind of, you know, waving me or, you know, that kind of stuff. 00:41:10.523 --> 00:41:14.124 Brian Wringer: So he was managing the traffic pretty well. 00:41:14.583 --> 00:41:16.813 Brian Wringer: You know, it's amazing. You know, you think you're a good rider and then you 00:41:16.813 --> 00:41:21.021 Brian Wringer: see like one of the control riders, like, you know, they're looking behind them 90% of the lap. 00:41:21.474 --> 00:41:25.763 Brian Wringer: You know, they're giving you the thumbs up and waving and, you know, smiling. 00:41:25.763 --> 00:41:27.058 Robin Dean: They know that track. 00:41:27.505 --> 00:41:28.293 Brian Wringer: Yeah, they don't even have to 00:41:28.293 --> 00:41:32.706 Brian Wringer: look. It's really, some of those guys are really, really pretty amazing. 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.253 Brian Wringer: And so things like, you know, maybe I'm not going the pace I want to in this 00:41:37.253 --> 00:41:40.883 Brian Wringer: corner or in this section or whatever, but I can be more precise. 00:41:41.443 --> 00:41:45.994 Brian Wringer: I can follow the line better. I can be more precise with my body position, 00:41:46.452 --> 00:41:48.901 Brian Wringer: that kind of thing. So, you know, there's always something to learn. 00:41:49.278 --> 00:41:49.632 Robin Dean: Always. 00:41:49.917 --> 00:41:53.153 Brian Wringer: From that stuff. But yeah, just as, you know, being able to do it, 00:41:53.153 --> 00:41:55.803 Brian Wringer: to at least do a few passes, you know, like I was, I was out, 00:41:55.803 --> 00:41:59.240 Brian Wringer: I was outpowered by a lot of people, but I was able to pass them, 00:41:59.698 --> 00:42:05.190 Brian Wringer: especially in, in nine and 10 and getting that closer to right than they did was very useful. 00:42:05.579 --> 00:42:09.346 Robin Dean: I don't remember the name of the control rider that I talked to the first session 00:42:09.799 --> 00:42:16.295 Robin Dean: when I basically said, please give me a leg up on this. Help me understand better. Be the guy. 00:42:16.759 --> 00:42:21.653 Robin Dean: But I will tell you that almost every session after that, he kept an eye on me. 00:42:22.117 --> 00:42:26.217 Robin Dean: And that means a lot. So Owen is the guy who was like, do you see the sign, 00:42:26.217 --> 00:42:29.878 Robin Dean: right? And then immediately made up for it and then put on a great day. 00:42:30.337 --> 00:42:32.917 Robin Dean: And helped me out with a lot of questions. I was like, hey, so this, 00:42:32.917 --> 00:42:36.380 Robin Dean: that, where are we allowed to pass? Do I need to go to, do we have any classroom stuff? 00:42:36.833 --> 00:42:42.452 Robin Dean: He says, you can pass anywhere. And how do I position myself into a slower group? 00:42:42.899 --> 00:42:45.284 Robin Dean: Things like that. He really helped very much. 00:42:45.748 --> 00:42:49.254 Robin Dean: I don't know who the control rider was. I didn't get a name. 00:42:49.707 --> 00:42:54.017 Robin Dean: But the fact that repeatedly, whenever they passed me with somebody faster than 00:42:54.017 --> 00:42:57.741 Robin Dean: me, whatever, you know, I knew when I can and a track I don't know on a bike that's not mine. 00:42:58.142 --> 00:43:03.787 Robin Dean: But the fact is, is that this dude, every single session would invite me into 00:43:03.787 --> 00:43:12.062 Robin Dean: that line of like me and one person, then chase him around and kudos to the general positivity of. 00:43:12.892 --> 00:43:15.162 Robin Dean: The good-natured actions of the control riders there. 00:43:15.615 --> 00:43:19.272 Brian Wringer: And again, I felt like they were paying attention, and that's what you want out there. 00:43:19.730 --> 00:43:22.166 Brian Wringer: You know, got a lot of thumbs up and got a lot of, you know, 00:43:22.166 --> 00:43:23.724 Brian Wringer: wave-arounds and stuff like that. 00:43:24.096 --> 00:43:27.799 Robin Dean: I got told I looked uncomfortable. Who was the guy that came up to us? I forgot his... 00:43:28.252 --> 00:43:34.568 Robin Dean: There was a guy that walked up to our pit setup, and he had apologized for cutting into my line. 00:43:35.032 --> 00:43:40.306 Robin Dean: Oh. And there was no vibe. It was like, nope, you were fine. 00:43:40.306 --> 00:43:45.027 Robin Dean: I mean, he outgunned me and outpowered me by easily twice the bike. 00:43:45.479 --> 00:43:49.087 Robin Dean: I didn't even experience the tension of it, but he seemed so very concerned. 00:43:49.087 --> 00:43:51.226 Robin Dean: It's like, nah, man, you're fine. 00:43:51.662 --> 00:43:52.439 Brian Wringer: All good. 00:43:52.782 --> 00:43:56.406 Robin Dean: And he saw my line. He knew my line was good. He just didn't account for the 00:43:56.406 --> 00:43:59.585 Robin Dean: fact that I'm feeling the way I'm feeling in a track I'm not familiar with. 00:43:59.934 --> 00:44:03.816 Robin Dean: So that same guy at the end of the day, and I'm just jumping ahead for a second. 00:44:03.816 --> 00:44:07.573 Robin Dean: At the end of the day, he said, so you look uncomfortable out there. 00:44:08.172 --> 00:44:15.045 Robin Dean: And I'm like, well, I'm not uncomfortable, but that is a modern standard posture machine. 00:44:15.497 --> 00:44:18.086 Robin Dean: Upright posture. Oh yeah, you're upright. All right. I'm like, 00:44:18.086 --> 00:44:19.194 Robin Dean: yeah, that's kind of the deal. 00:44:19.647 --> 00:44:22.770 Brian Wringer: You're upright. You're not overly overwhelmed with power. 00:44:23.421 --> 00:44:27.889 Robin Dean: Shin over wrist is work. It becomes super moto in some manner of speaking. 00:44:27.889 --> 00:44:32.159 Robin Dean: And I think he understood that after a second. But that's where I got confused 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:36.116 Robin Dean: about, are they trying to vibe the customers? 00:44:36.563 --> 00:44:38.844 Robin Dean: Are they trying to impose knowledge? 00:44:39.303 --> 00:44:44.699 Robin Dean: Are they trying to get to know the customers? Are they trying to weigh knowledge? 00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:46.186 Robin Dean: Those are two very different platforms. 00:44:46.610 --> 00:44:50.249 Brian Wringer: Yeah, one thing in Novice, yeah, it was a little different. 00:44:50.249 --> 00:44:54.829 Brian Wringer: We all were doing well, and they basically canceled the last classroom session. 00:44:54.829 --> 00:44:58.719 Brian Wringer: You know, we were like, ride, go to the classroom, get it together, 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.019 Brian Wringer: ride again, go to the classroom. So I think we went to the classroom two or 00:45:02.019 --> 00:45:05.784 Brian Wringer: three times, and then they canceled the last one and said, go forth and ride. 00:45:06.243 --> 00:45:09.939 Brian Wringer: I think we had a novice class that wasn't, like, I think a lot of them had been 00:45:09.939 --> 00:45:13.389 Brian Wringer: there the day before or were repeat customers, something like that. 00:45:13.389 --> 00:45:19.385 Brian Wringer: So it was a little less thorough than I have seen before, let's put it that way, which is fine. 00:45:19.838 --> 00:45:25.898 Brian Wringer: We only had two red flags i think in novice and both the people were fine bikes weren't, 00:45:26.398 --> 00:45:31.130 Brian Wringer: really okay but you know that's part of the deal but yeah we had two red flags 00:45:31.130 --> 00:45:35.040 Brian Wringer: but again they're huge amounts of runoff they were in the gravel just standing 00:45:35.040 --> 00:45:36.678 Brian Wringer: there you know watching everybody go by, 00:45:37.143 --> 00:45:40.780 Brian Wringer: wasn't a big deal and also the track staff there i have to give them a shout 00:45:40.780 --> 00:45:45.140 Brian Wringer: out they i mean they were out and they had like picked up the bike and the rider 00:45:45.140 --> 00:45:49.494 Brian Wringer: and had it on the trail and they were like gone in maybe two or three minutes. 00:45:49.872 --> 00:45:52.786 Robin Dean: Might have some experience there they may have done it once or twice. 00:45:53.244 --> 00:45:56.870 Brian Wringer: Yeah, we just, we just basically, if there was a red, when there was a red flag, 00:45:56.870 --> 00:46:00.350 Brian Wringer: we just, we all came in, you know, like you're supposed to, and we waited, 00:46:00.797 --> 00:46:02.790 Brian Wringer: you know, like one time we didn't even shut off our engines. 00:46:02.790 --> 00:46:07.770 Brian Wringer: We just waited and then we saw the trailer take off and then we just got back 00:46:07.770 --> 00:46:10.450 Brian Wringer: out again. So it was very quick, very efficient. 00:46:10.828 --> 00:46:14.560 Robin Dean: Turn eight towards the exit of it. That's where I found myself 00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:21.090 Robin Dean: making eye contact with a gent on the track in his leathers with his helmet 00:46:21.090 --> 00:46:26.995 Robin Dean: on and his bike off in the grass and he saw and he turned around and ran now that same instance 00:46:27.465 --> 00:46:28.858 Brian Wringer: Like he was off to the outside. 00:46:29.247 --> 00:46:33.420 Robin Dean: He was off to the outside but he turned around i saw him running like he he 00:46:33.420 --> 00:46:36.956 Robin Dean: was yeah impressive olympic what 00:46:37.508 --> 00:46:43.103 Robin Dean: I never really got a chance to do those. One small piece of his bike did stay on the track. 00:46:43.562 --> 00:46:48.029 Robin Dean: I don't know what it was. It was some piece of plastic, like a left cowling 00:46:48.029 --> 00:46:52.059 Robin Dean: something, something, whatever. It was not very big. Maybe the size of both 00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:52.972 Robin Dean: your hands put together. 00:46:53.424 --> 00:46:56.431 Robin Dean: But it was black. It stood out right there in the silver pavement. 00:46:56.762 --> 00:46:59.379 Robin Dean: And I kept on running past it. I was just thinking like, man, 00:46:59.379 --> 00:47:01.186 Robin Dean: I could just, I mean, my knee's already touching. 00:47:01.569 --> 00:47:04.884 Robin Dean: I'm melting the pecs down. I could just reach out and grab it real quick. 00:47:05.342 --> 00:47:08.219 Robin Dean: By the fourth time, I was like, I could just kick it. I could just kick it off 00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.261 Robin Dean: the track. I'd be so cool. 00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.221 Brian Wringer: Didn't see that. Yeah, they must have grabbed it before we went out again. 00:47:12.680 --> 00:47:16.669 Brian Wringer: I will say that Quinn and I had a little talk afterwards. He said, 00:47:16.669 --> 00:47:19.210 Brian Wringer: you know, and he said some very head inflating type of things. 00:47:19.669 --> 00:47:22.959 Brian Wringer: And then, and he said, uh, he's like, there's one piece of advice I have is 00:47:22.959 --> 00:47:26.349 Brian Wringer: to take the center stand off next time. You are correct, sir. Yes. 00:47:27.273 --> 00:47:30.449 Brian Wringer: And if you look at the picture, like I, I dropped it in the document. 00:47:30.449 --> 00:47:35.789 Brian Wringer: If you look at the picture, you can see my center stands, maybe like a quarter inch off the deck. 00:47:36.223 --> 00:47:38.173 Brian Wringer: And I'm like, yeah, I know. That's the next thing. 00:47:38.638 --> 00:47:41.964 Brian Wringer: I can be very precise. And so I know like when I drag the feelers, 00:47:42.422 --> 00:47:43.239 Brian Wringer: yeah, I know where that's at. 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.120 Brian Wringer: And I know the next thing is the center stand. So I don't go past that. 00:47:46.579 --> 00:47:51.159 Brian Wringer: So my feelers are pretty ground down. Anyway, I'm in a right hand return and 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.689 Brian Wringer: you can see underneath that the center stand is real, real close. 00:47:55.241 --> 00:47:58.433 Brian Wringer: I'll take that off next time, even though it's a giant pain in the butt. 00:47:58.869 --> 00:48:02.014 Brian Wringer: The other thing I will say is also, like, I've talked before, 00:48:02.014 --> 00:48:05.765 Brian Wringer: you know, I know my brakes aren't 100%. And so, yeah, I ordered, 00:48:06.224 --> 00:48:09.991 Brian Wringer: I have brake pads sitting here. I have, I actually have a new set of rotors 00:48:10.339 --> 00:48:12.656 Brian Wringer: on the shelf that I bought when I first bought the bike. 00:48:13.114 --> 00:48:17.164 Brian Wringer: Somebody, for some reason, they bought a new FJ09 and they wanted to put on 00:48:17.164 --> 00:48:20.516 Brian Wringer: these, like, fancy shape brake rotors. 00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:24.596 Brian Wringer: So I have a set of extremely low mileage, almost new brake rotors on the shelf. 00:48:25.055 --> 00:48:29.944 Brian Wringer: So mine, the limit is four millimeters. Mine measure 4.18, and the new ones 00:48:29.944 --> 00:48:32.619 Brian Wringer: measure five millimeters. So there's been some wear. 00:48:33.078 --> 00:48:36.732 Brian Wringer: And I also have a set of stainless brake lines coming from Spiegler. 00:48:37.191 --> 00:48:43.286 Brian Wringer: So yeah, I do plan to basically wholesale upgrade the brake system next time, Mr. Grumpy. 00:48:43.669 --> 00:48:47.434 Robin Dean: Just tape a whole bunch of brakes all over, just brake pads all over your forks. 00:48:47.434 --> 00:48:52.307 Robin Dean: Just I pasted my own picture in the outline. 00:48:52.766 --> 00:48:58.614 Brian Wringer: I do have to say, watching you come around 10 onto the main straight and pin 00:48:58.614 --> 00:49:03.511 Brian Wringer: it for all it's worth, an SV650 is not a leader bike. 00:49:03.882 --> 00:49:04.126 Robin Dean: No. 00:49:04.592 --> 00:49:07.441 Brian Wringer: And even though you had the little inserts out of the exhaust, 00:49:07.899 --> 00:49:08.869 Brian Wringer: it was still pretty quiet. 00:49:09.298 --> 00:49:13.104 Robin Dean: I can't make sense of that because that exhaust is pissed off loud. 00:49:13.104 --> 00:49:14.517 Robin Dean: You heard it in your garage. 00:49:14.970 --> 00:49:19.524 Brian Wringer: Oh, it sounds great, yeah. With those inserts out, it was nowhere near some 00:49:19.524 --> 00:49:20.624 Brian Wringer: of the track bikes out there. 00:49:20.624 --> 00:49:23.974 Brian Wringer: But it was really, you could tell you're coming around on the front straight 00:49:23.974 --> 00:49:26.634 Brian Wringer: and you're just like, I'm giving her all she's got. You know, 00:49:26.634 --> 00:49:31.868 Brian Wringer: it's like, there's only so much you got in a 650, but like in the corner, sure. Rocking it. 00:49:32.334 --> 00:49:34.894 Brian Wringer: It's light. It's agile. You're just 00:49:34.894 --> 00:49:38.554 Brian Wringer: killing it. Like you can look how much taller my bike is. So, you know. 00:49:38.937 --> 00:49:40.650 Robin Dean: It's a sport bike on stilts, man. 00:49:41.746 --> 00:49:45.849 Robin Dean: That's a fantastic shot. I think you had a great day. And I know for a fact 00:49:45.849 --> 00:49:49.832 Robin Dean: that I watched them saying, no, you go around, go, go, go. You pass us. 00:49:50.285 --> 00:49:55.569 Robin Dean: I saw that over and over. That is a beautiful pick that you should definitely 00:49:55.949 --> 00:49:57.489 Robin Dean: get blown up for Christmas. 00:49:57.936 --> 00:50:02.219 Brian Wringer: Yeah. Overall, I feel like sport bike track time, like I said, 00:50:02.219 --> 00:50:05.761 Brian Wringer: there are differences. I feel like they run a nice tight ship. 00:50:06.226 --> 00:50:10.603 Brian Wringer: On track, everything is really fantastic. The control riders are great. 00:50:11.067 --> 00:50:15.305 Brian Wringer: And the track itself is amazing. The best surface I've ever seen. 00:50:15.763 --> 00:50:21.597 Brian Wringer: Not that I've seen a lot, but really tricky and really interesting track and just a ton of fun. 00:50:21.922 --> 00:50:27.234 Robin Dean: I fully support what they do and I appreciate that they make such things available. 00:50:27.687 --> 00:50:29.713 Robin Dean: I'm always judgy critiquing. 00:50:30.171 --> 00:50:36.229 Robin Dean: I guess that would be my major critique is that I wish they would invite and 00:50:36.229 --> 00:50:40.578 Robin Dean: humbly accept direct, even the harshest input. 00:50:41.031 --> 00:50:45.379 Robin Dean: Just about like, hey, work on this, expand on that. Make sure we understand 00:50:45.379 --> 00:50:48.647 Robin Dean: this without overstepping the thrill. 00:50:49.187 --> 00:50:54.969 Robin Dean: Be receptive to the, hey, this could have been better. And that's with any outfit. 00:50:55.939 --> 00:50:59.800 Robin Dean: Don't stand on your format so tall that you don't have any room for new information. 00:51:00.258 --> 00:51:03.766 Brian Wringer: And again, write down the unwritten stuff. There are some things that they did 00:51:03.766 --> 00:51:08.576 Brian Wringer: not convey in writing and things they didn't convey in any form until you get 00:51:08.576 --> 00:51:09.912 Brian Wringer: there, that kind of thing. 00:51:10.365 --> 00:51:15.146 Brian Wringer: So guaranteed, we'll be back to Putnam as often as we can. It's very convenient. 00:51:15.146 --> 00:51:17.168 Brian Wringer: That's for one. And it's a great track. 00:51:17.633 --> 00:51:23.676 Brian Wringer: STT also runs track days all over the place. I've only been to Grattan as a race mechanic. 00:51:24.128 --> 00:51:28.076 Brian Wringer: Grattan as a rider. I would love to do that. I would love to go to Gingerman. 00:51:28.534 --> 00:51:32.179 Brian Wringer: And then they also run track days at BFR, Blackhawk Farms Raceway. 00:51:32.643 --> 00:51:37.368 Brian Wringer: So one way or another, get back to BFR. They also run at Road America. 00:51:37.827 --> 00:51:42.286 Brian Wringer: Just not enough days and weeks and money in the summer to do it all. 00:51:42.286 --> 00:51:47.066 Brian Wringer: But yeah, definitely be back at Putnam at least a couple times next year and 00:51:47.066 --> 00:51:48.154 Brian Wringer: then do a couple of others. 00:51:48.613 --> 00:51:53.094 Brian Wringer: The last thing is a track day is much better when you go with a friend of yours. 00:51:53.518 --> 00:51:56.229 Brian Wringer: I just can't imagine going, you know, going by myself would just, 00:51:56.699 --> 00:52:01.209 Brian Wringer: it would be fun, but it would kind of suck in a way, too. So I'm glad you were there. 00:52:01.662 --> 00:52:04.251 Brian Wringer: And it really added to it to be there with a good friend. 00:52:04.629 --> 00:52:11.226 Robin Dean: This was near your home. You waited for any of our mutuals to sign up for this 00:52:11.226 --> 00:52:15.240 Robin Dean: thing, and I really wanted to, and did. Really happy about that. 00:52:15.681 --> 00:52:18.729 Brian Wringer: Like I said, Putnam Park, you got to get there. It's really fun. 00:52:19.112 --> 00:52:19.890 Robin Dean: Well, is that all we got? 00:52:20.348 --> 00:52:20.877 Brian Wringer: I think so. 00:52:21.312 --> 00:52:21.893 Robin Dean: Want to get out of here? 00:52:22.345 --> 00:52:23.001 Brian Wringer: Let's get out of here.